Stadium/Arena Saga Omnibus

[Red Comet]

Okay, I'll take the L about Oakland. It could support the A's if an owner who gave a damn bought the team. But that's the issue: No owner since the Bash Brothers days has given a damn about the A's. The issue is finding someone who does. 

Edited May 6, 2023 by Red Comet
clarifying language

[Digby]

2 hours ago, Red Comet said:

Oakland is going to have to have a wealth boom before any major league team ends up there again. It’s too small, too poor and too broke to have more than one and even that’s in question. 
 

Maybe they can take advantage of San Francisco’s collapse?

lol we’re talking about Oakland, not Stockton. We’re a lot closer to the Brooklyn Nets than the Hartford Whalers here. Or would be, normalizing for sandbagging ownership.

[SCMODS]

Like I've said in the past only if Warriors owner Joe Lacob and some of his billionaire buddies could by the A's and the Coliseum property. Total and complete rebuild of the area in and around the Coliseum property.  Just make it safe for people to hang out and enjoy sports, shopping & dining. Pipe dream, maybe. 

[Digby]

18 minutes ago, SCMODS said:

Like I've said in the past only if Warriors owner Joe Lacob and some of his billionaire buddies could by the A's and the Coliseum property. Total and complete rebuild of the area in and around the Coliseum property.  Just make it safe for people to hang out and enjoy sports, shopping & dining. Pipe dream, maybe. 

thing is, that property is kinda some distance out from downtown Oakland, no? Feasibility aside, the thing with the other new stadium sites is that they’d bring the stadium much closer to the center of population/disposable income in Oakland,

[Cujo]

So this guy won't be going with the As to Vegas...

 

[GDAWG]

 

[WestCoastBias]

2 hours ago, SCMODS said:

Like I've said in the past only if Warriors owner Joe Lacob and some of his billionaire buddies could by the A's and the Coliseum property. Total and complete rebuild of the area in and around the Coliseum property.  Just make it safe for people to hang out and enjoy sports, shopping & dining. Pipe dream, maybe. 

I believe the majority of the legal work for Howard Terminal is already done and it offers the same type of potential redevelopment that Petco and Pac Bell spurred. It’s a great location not only for the A’s but also Oakland, too bad Fisher was too cheap to make it happen. The only redeeming factor of the Coliseum site is how close the BART station is.

[SCMODS]

There is zero public transportation into the Howard Terminal site. 

[Ridleylash]

7 minutes ago, SCMODS said:

There is zero public transportation into the Howard Terminal site. 

I mean, why would there be public transportation to what is currently a shipping yard parking lot? The only people that'd need to be there are the people who work there.

 

Obviously there'd be public transport added if it was redeveloped into a baseball stadium.

[The_Admiral]

Looks like BART is elevated around Howard Terminal, which would make building a station north of it easier than if it were underground. It wouldn't be a perfect Wrigley Field situation, but it would be close enough.

[SCMODS]

Adding a BART Station or even light rail, which Oakland doesn't have anyway, isn't in the plans. 

[WestCoastBias]

On 2/28/2023 at 12:45 PM, WestCoastBias said:

 

BART Stations to Howard Terminal

West Oakland - 1 mile (looks rough right around the station but not bad closer to Howard Terminal, industrial though)

12th Street - 1 mile (best option, nice walk right down Broadway)

Lake Merritt - 1.4 miles (probably 2nd best option even though its the farthest)

 

BART Stations to Oracle Park

Montgomery - 1 mile

Powell - 1.2 miles

Embarcadero - 1.2 miles

 

BUT in San Francisco you can transfer to Muni Metro which gets drops you off right at Oracle Park. Chase Center is the same way but further away from BART.

 

Also

California Memorial Stadium

Downtown Berkley - 0.9 miles

 

Howard Terminal is definitely walkable from BART, not for everybody but a 1 mile walk isn't bad at all. People do it for Cal games and Giants games.

 

Here's a post I made earlier about BART station distances to Howard Terminal. A roughly mile walk isn't bad, a lot of people do it for Cal games and Giants games. There is also an Amtrak station at Jack London Square where maybe they could get some special commuter service started similar to the Giants and CalTrain. 

 

I don't know if zero public transportation is exactly fair to say, but it's just not directly adjacent like at the Coliseum. 

[tp49]

20 hours ago, WestCoastBias said:

 

Here's a post I made earlier about BART station distances to Howard Terminal. A roughly mile walk isn't bad, a lot of people do it for Cal games and Giants games. There is also an Amtrak station at Jack London Square where maybe they could get some special commuter service started similar to the Giants and CalTrain. 

 

I don't know if zero public transportation is exactly fair to say, but it's just not directly adjacent like at the Coliseum. 

Given how bad West Oakland is very, very few would make the walk from there to Howard Terminal. 

[The_Admiral]

I thought the Giants had transit right to the doorstep, too. Is that Muni instead of BART? The Bay Area's transit system is an enigma to me. Anyway, the A's would need it at Howard Terminal, too, no matter what BART says its plans are.

[WestCoastBias]

4 hours ago, the admiral said:

I thought the Giants had transit right to the doorstep, too. Is that Muni instead of BART? The Bay Area's transit system is an enigma to me. Anyway, the A's would need it at Howard Terminal, too, no matter what BART says its plans are.

 

Yeah that's Muni, you can transfer from BART to Muni and it stops right at the ballpark 

[WestCoastBias]

7 hours ago, tp49 said:

Given how bad West Oakland is very, very few would make the walk from there to Howard Terminal. 

 

Yeah the 12th Street station would be the more popular walk

[Ridleylash]

This is just going swimmingly for the A's, I see lmao

[SCMODS]

This :censored: Fisher just won't sell the team. 

[Walk-Off]

As reported by The Nevada Independent at 1:59 Pacific time this afternoon:

 

A’s pivot to new site for Vegas baseball stadium, lowering public funding request

[Ferdinand Cesarano]

54 minutes ago, SCMODS said:

This Fisher just won't sell the team. 

I heard Casey Pratt say that Fisher bought the A's for $180 million, and that the team is now valued at $1.8 billion. I have also heard speculation that the valuation could double upon a move to Las Vegas. 

 

However, if everything falls through in Las Vegas, then the value of the team would probably be on the verge of plummeting.  In that case, selling would be the logical thing to do.