VitaminD Posted May 12, 2006 Share Posted May 12, 2006 One of the unexpected advantages of hooking our house up with HDTV is the increased detail you can see on the uniforms. Which led me to the realization that the Phillies use chain-stitch embroidery on their wordmark on their jerseys, which I later confirmed at the team store at Citizens Bank Park while I was looking for a gamer.I know a few other MLB teams use it as well - the Astros and Cardinals come to mind. I also know some other teams don't - the Mets were in town this week, and it's pretty evident they don't use chain-stitch lettering. So who does, and who doesn't? I'm guessing someone with an MLB Style Guide may have some sort of authoritative list ("Paging PANTONE to the thread... PANTONE to this thread, please"). And if anyone knows about NHL crests, that's something else I was wondering about - I know the Blackhawks used to use it on their patches and crests, but I don't know if they still do. "Start spreading the news... They're leavin' today... Won't get to be a part of it... In old New York..."In order for the Mets' run of 12 losses in 17 games to mean something, the Phillies still had to win 13 of 17. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cappital92 Posted May 12, 2006 Share Posted May 12, 2006 The only chain-stitch I know of is the one I learned in home ec. http://www.wizardsxtra.com Is it the shoes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColeJ Posted May 12, 2006 Share Posted May 12, 2006 i don't even know what chain stitching is.i'm a disgrace to the community. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VitaminD Posted May 12, 2006 Author Share Posted May 12, 2006 I should clarify, because that's a misleading thread title.A better way to title this would be "tackle twill v. chenille embroidery".Some MLB teams - the Mets are the most convenient example - use tackle twill material for their team wordmarks on their jerseys. This is the same material that is used in customizing jerseys with player names and numbers.On the other hand, some teams - the Phillies, Cardinals and Astros, to name a few - use chenille for their embroidery. Chenille is basically a thick wool yarn sewn onto a felt template that gives the material a thicker, textured appearance. The best example I can provide is the material that your school monogram is made of on your high school/college varsity letter jackets. Thick, and a little tufted.Chenille embroidery is usually applied to jerseys using chain stitching, which forms the distinctive border around the edge of your letter jacket's monogram.So I guess my question is, which teams (MLB and NHL) use which? I am guessing that NBA and NCAA basketball teams use tackle-twill lettering for their wordmarks, and NFL teams use tackle-twill for their letters and numbers, while their wordmarks are considerably smaller and probably don't use chenille, either.NOTE: If a mod catches this and wants to retitle this to make it less confusing, that'd be greatly appreciated. "Start spreading the news... They're leavin' today... Won't get to be a part of it... In old New York..."In order for the Mets' run of 12 losses in 17 games to mean something, the Phillies still had to win 13 of 17. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Clemente Posted May 12, 2006 Share Posted May 12, 2006 The only NHL team I'm aware of that uses it, and this is only after it was pointed out to me, is the Chicago Blackhawks. Almost all of the shoulder logos are made up of chain-stitches. The golden lines in the chief's hair and the feathers are also made up of chain stitching. I can not think of any others in the NHL right now.The Mighty Ducks third jersey crest uses wool in the "Anaheim" part of the wordmark. If I'm not mistaken, the Wild third jersey crest also uses it.--Roger "Time?" Clemente. Follow me on Twitter if you care: @Animal_Clans.My opinion may or may not be the same as yours. The choice is up to you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moser316 Posted May 13, 2006 Share Posted May 13, 2006 I thought the Mets used a herringbone chain stitch pattern for their embroidery (unique to the team)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goforbroke Posted May 13, 2006 Share Posted May 13, 2006 think the logo on a baseball cap vs. the logo on most jerseys. as opposed to the logo being actually stitched out of fabric its basically a patch sewn on to the jersey. im pretty sure thats the basic difference without getting too technical. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
no97 Posted May 13, 2006 Share Posted May 13, 2006 I noticed on a close-up on SportsCenter the other day, that the Clippers use chain-stitching.Also, the greatest basketball jersey of all-time is all-chain-stitched:Good thread topic, BTW. I've always been interested in the process. Yes, it's more expensive, but it looks so much better than tacke-twill...Moose Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andrewharrington Posted May 13, 2006 Share Posted May 13, 2006 It's not a cap logo versus a jersey logo. The cap logo is embroidered with various stitching patterns and is usually raised with foam to give it relief. What we're looking at here is basically flat, sewn-on fabric or raised, textured embroidery that kind of looks like carpet. I saw an ESPN the Magazine a few weeks ago and learned that the Cardinals did this, because the mag is so damn big and the photography is so good. The ESPN close-ups are money.Chenille (Chain stitching)Tackle Twill I still don't have a website, but I have a dribbble now! http://dribbble.com/andyharry [The postings on this site are my own and do not necessarily represent the position, strategy or opinions of adidas and/or its brands.] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gothamite Posted May 13, 2006 Share Posted May 13, 2006 There's a difference between chain-stitch and chenille. Chain-stitch is flat, chenille is raised like carpeting. In that top photo, the "c" is chenille, and the outline is chain-stitching.I'm quite sure that the Cards use chain-stitch. I'll look for a photo. The Green Bay Packers Uniform Database! Now in a handy blog. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
no97 Posted May 13, 2006 Share Posted May 13, 2006 Here's a close-up of a Cards jersey:and an Astros:and Philies:and a Blackhawks:and the Blackhawks shoulder patch:All chain-stitch. Moose Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
no97 Posted May 13, 2006 Share Posted May 13, 2006 (Follow-up post...) The chain-stitch is part of what makes the Blackhawks logo the best in the NHL, IMHO (seriously, check out that detail!)...Chenille is the raised (think high school letter):Moose Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pooter Posted May 13, 2006 Share Posted May 13, 2006 I know that the Reds used the chain stitch up until about 1986 or so when they switched to the McAuliffe jerseys and they went with a Tackle-twill C-Reds logo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
no97 Posted May 13, 2006 Share Posted May 13, 2006 I know that the Reds used the chain stitch up until about 1986 or so when they switched to the McAuliffe jerseys and they went with a Tackle-twill C-Reds logo. I'm sure, if you go back historically, you could find a lot of teams with chain-stitch logos (one of my favorite is the Chicago Cougars):That's what makes the current logos (and especially the new logos - like the Astros and Philies that haven't been around forever) more special. Someone thought enough to go out and say, "let's do our logo different."Moose Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Clemente Posted May 13, 2006 Share Posted May 13, 2006 Okay, now that I know the name of it, it's Chenille that makes up the white 'Anaheim' wordmark or the Mighty Ducks third jersey crest.--Roger "Time?" Clemente. Follow me on Twitter if you care: @Animal_Clans.My opinion may or may not be the same as yours. The choice is up to you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pooter Posted May 14, 2006 Share Posted May 14, 2006 I know that the Reds used the chain stitch up until about 1986 or so when they switched to the McAuliffe jerseys and they went with a Tackle-twill C-Reds logo. I'm sure, if you go back historically, you could find a lot of teams with chain-stitch logos (one of my favorite is the Chicago Cougars):That's what makes the current logos (and especially the new logos - like the Astros and Philies that haven't been around forever) more special. Someone thought enough to go out and say, "let's do our logo different."Moose True. The Minnesota Fighting Saints "Saint" logo was also chain stitched. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HurricaneDavid Posted May 14, 2006 Share Posted May 14, 2006 Chain stitching is SO much better than tackle twill. I have 4 Astros jerseys from around 2001 when they used tackle twill, and they have caused the arms to pill a lot when the sleeves rub against the front. The one chainstitch jersey I have hasn't had this problem at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZoDogg34 Posted May 14, 2006 Share Posted May 14, 2006 The Cardinals chain stitching is even more unique. It is stitched DIRECTLY into the jersey.The Phils, however have the logo chain stitched to a piece of fabric, then applied to the jersey, allowing the Phillies logos to be mass produced. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
no97 Posted May 14, 2006 Share Posted May 14, 2006 The Cardinals chain stitching is even more unique. It is stitched DIRECTLY into the jersey.The Phils, however have the logo chain stitched to a piece of fabric, then applied to the jersey, allowing the Phillies logos to be mass produced. I'm fairly certain the Astros is that way (Cards) as well...Moose Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pagan696 Posted May 14, 2006 Share Posted May 14, 2006 good topic.thanks for the pics and terms. Carolina Dreamin' ΓΔΒ ΓΔΒ ΓΔΒ When a robotic Nixon is on the loose, we have a duty to take action. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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