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Kovalchuk isn't top level talent.

You're insane.

Seriously. Kovalchuk is an elite offensive player.

And a slipshod defender. Who has only been in the playoffs twice, both first round exits. Surely a top level "elite" player would have been able to lead a team to more than two playoff spots and won more than 1 bleeping playoff game.

Given the quality of the Thrasher's over all rosters, I'd be surprised if Jesus could have lead them to play off success. Talented players need other talented players to have team sucess. This isn't a sport where one or two individual players can overcome an overall lack of skill for the rest of the roster. Wayne Freaking Gretzky couldn't lead any other team to the cup besides the Oilers, who were packed with ridiculous amounts of talent at all positions.

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But he did get other teams to the playoffs, correct?

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Working on that list of players superior to Kovalchuk. Here's what I have so far:

Alexander Ovechkin

Sidney Crosby

Pavel Datsyuk

Henrik Zetterberg

Jonathan Toews

Chris Pronger

Ryan Getzlaf

Eric Staal

Henrik Sedin

Marian Hossa

Joe Thornton

Zach Parise

Nicklas Lidstrom

Duncan Keith

Patrick Marleau

Mike Richards

Dany Heatley

Vincent Lecavalier

Shea Weber

Daniel Alfredsson

Milan Lucic

Joe Pavelski

Teemu Selanne

Ryan Kesler

Patrick Kane

Any glaring omissions? I think I can get up to 35.

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You can think of it as a fantasy draft, sure. Given the choice of one player to start a roster, with the entire NHL talent pool at your disposal, who is the one you make absolutely certain your team has? People rationalize MVP awards like this all the time. It would take a lot of picks before mine to start at square one with a flaky Russian with no defense and a crappy attitude. I kinda went out of order after my top five, by the way.

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Working on that list of players superior to Kovalchuk. Here's what I have so far:

Alexander Ovechkin

Sidney Crosby

Pavel Datsyuk

Henrik Zetterberg

Jonathan Toews

Chris Pronger

Ryan Getzlaf

Eric Staal

Henrik Sedin

Marian Hossa

Joe Thornton

Zach Parise

Nicklas Lidstrom

Duncan Keith

Patrick Marleau

Mike Richards

Dany Heatley

Vincent Lecavalier

Shea Weber

Daniel Alfredsson

Milan Lucic

Joe Pavelski

Teemu Selanne

Ryan Kesler

Patrick Kane

Any glaring omissions? I think I can get up to 35.

Pretty awful list right there. You seriously think Henrik Sedin is the 9th best player in the NHL? And I know I'm a homer but no love for Daniel? And you would actually take Milan Lucic and Joe Pavelski over Ilya Kovalchuk. I don't care if the dudes teams haven't been successful, he is a top 5 talent offensively.

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I'd take Ilya over Heatley any day, Eric Staal too. Heatley is the same as Ilya, only hes Canadian so when he does it its cooler, right? I'd also take Ilya over Selanne right now (at Teemus age), but otherwise its a pretty fair list honestly, and I like Kovalchuk.

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Pretty awful list right there. You seriously think Henrik Sedin is the 9th best player in the NHL? And I know I'm a homer but no love for Daniel? And you would actually take Milan Lucic and Joe Pavelski over Ilya Kovalchuk. I don't care if the dudes teams haven't been successful, he is a top 5 talent offensively.

I said I gave up having any order after Toews or so. And yes, I would take Pavelski before Kovalchuk, without a doubt.

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Pretty awful list right there. You seriously think Henrik Sedin is the 9th best player in the NHL? And I know I'm a homer but no love for Daniel? And you would actually take Milan Lucic and Joe Pavelski over Ilya Kovalchuk. I don't care if the dudes teams haven't been successful, he is a top 5 talent offensively.

I said I gave up having any order after Toews or so. And yes, I would take Pavelski before Kovalchuk, without a doubt.

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But he did get other teams to the playoffs, correct?

Sure, with some talent around him. He also missed the playoffs five or six times. And Kovalchuk is more on the order of say, a Glenn Anderson than a Wayne Gretzky.

He's a very good player for his generation, but he's not an all time great. However, he's scored 40+ goals every year since 2004-2004.

Is he a complete player? No. But he's still a very good player.

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Incomplete players aren't elite, which was what we were arguing all along.

That's ridiculous. Wayne Gretzky wasn't much of a defensive stalwart, and there were plenty of things he wasn't good at. That technically makes him incomplete, and according to you, that means he wasn't elite.

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