The_Admiral Posted September 1, 2010 Share Posted September 1, 2010 Given the choice of one skater with whom to start a team, I could probably rattle off 35 to 40 guys before I got to Kovalchuk. ♫ oh yeah, board goes on, long after the thrill of postin' is gone ♫ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corvus Posted September 1, 2010 Share Posted September 1, 2010 Kovalchuk isn't top level talent.You're insane.Seriously. Kovalchuk is an elite offensive player.And a slipshod defender. Who has only been in the playoffs twice, both first round exits. Surely a top level "elite" player would have been able to lead a team to more than two playoff spots and won more than 1 bleeping playoff game.Given the quality of the Thrasher's over all rosters, I'd be surprised if Jesus could have lead them to play off success. Talented players need other talented players to have team sucess. This isn't a sport where one or two individual players can overcome an overall lack of skill for the rest of the roster. Wayne Freaking Gretzky couldn't lead any other team to the cup besides the Oilers, who were packed with ridiculous amounts of talent at all positions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rams80 Posted September 1, 2010 Share Posted September 1, 2010 But he did get other teams to the playoffs, correct? On 8/1/2010 at 4:01 PM, winters in buffalo said: You manage to balance agitation with just enough salient points to keep things interesting. Kind of a low-rent DG_Now. On 1/2/2011 at 9:07 PM, Sodboy13 said: Today, we are all otaku. "The city of Peoria was once the site of the largest distillery in the world and later became the site for mass production of penicillin. So it is safe to assume that present-day Peorians are descended from syphilitic boozehounds."-Stephen Colbert POTD: February 15, 2010, June 20, 2010 The Glorious Bloom State Penguins (NCFAF) 2014: 2-9, 2015: 7-5 (L Pineapple Bowl), 2016: 1-0 (NCFAB) 2014-15: 10-8, 2015-16: 14-5 (SMC Champs, L 1st Round February Frenzy) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panhead1 Posted September 1, 2010 Share Posted September 1, 2010 I like the Lightning as a surprise team this year. They added Simon Gagne to the roster, improving an already solid front line that already has Vincent Lecavalier, Martin St. Louis, and Steven Stamkos. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charger77 Posted September 1, 2010 Share Posted September 1, 2010 And the Kovalchuck ordeal drags on... PotD May 11th, 2011looooooogodud: June 7th 2010 - July 5th 2012 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrySmalls Posted September 1, 2010 Share Posted September 1, 2010 Niemi is headed to the Sharks on a one-year, $2MM deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FiddySicks Posted September 1, 2010 Share Posted September 1, 2010 Still, it's better than having Nabokov... On 11/19/2012 at 7:23 PM, oldschoolvikings said: She’s still half convinced “Chris Creamer” is a porn site.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sodboy13 Posted September 1, 2010 Share Posted September 1, 2010 Niemi is headed to the Sharks on a one-year, $2MM deal.Someone call me when Antii stops punching his agent. On 1/25/2013 at 1:53 PM, 'Atom said: For all the bird de lis haters I think the bird de lis isnt supposed to be a pelican and a fleur de lis I think its just a fleur de lis with a pelicans head. Thats what it looks like to me. Also the flair around the tip of the beak is just flair that fleur de lis have sometimes source I am from NOLA. PotD: 10/19/07, 08/25/08, 07/22/10, 08/13/10, 04/15/11, 05/19/11, 01/02/12, and 01/05/12. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Admiral Posted September 1, 2010 Share Posted September 1, 2010 Working on that list of players superior to Kovalchuk. Here's what I have so far:Alexander OvechkinSidney CrosbyPavel DatsyukHenrik ZetterbergJonathan ToewsChris ProngerRyan GetzlafEric StaalHenrik SedinMarian HossaJoe ThorntonZach PariseNicklas LidstromDuncan KeithPatrick MarleauMike RichardsDany HeatleyVincent LecavalierShea WeberDaniel AlfredssonMilan LucicJoe PavelskiTeemu SelanneRyan KeslerPatrick KaneAny glaring omissions? I think I can get up to 35. ♫ oh yeah, board goes on, long after the thrill of postin' is gone ♫ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HedleyLamarr Posted September 1, 2010 Author Share Posted September 1, 2010 What 'team' are you compiling....a 31st NHL franchise, or a fantasy team? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Admiral Posted September 1, 2010 Share Posted September 1, 2010 You can think of it as a fantasy draft, sure. Given the choice of one player to start a roster, with the entire NHL talent pool at your disposal, who is the one you make absolutely certain your team has? People rationalize MVP awards like this all the time. It would take a lot of picks before mine to start at square one with a flaky Russian with no defense and a crappy attitude. I kinda went out of order after my top five, by the way. ♫ oh yeah, board goes on, long after the thrill of postin' is gone ♫ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brendan Posted September 2, 2010 Share Posted September 2, 2010 Working on that list of players superior to Kovalchuk. Here's what I have so far:Alexander OvechkinSidney CrosbyPavel DatsyukHenrik ZetterbergJonathan ToewsChris ProngerRyan GetzlafEric StaalHenrik SedinMarian HossaJoe ThorntonZach PariseNicklas LidstromDuncan KeithPatrick MarleauMike RichardsDany HeatleyVincent LecavalierShea WeberDaniel AlfredssonMilan LucicJoe PavelskiTeemu SelanneRyan KeslerPatrick KaneAny glaring omissions? I think I can get up to 35.Pretty awful list right there. You seriously think Henrik Sedin is the 9th best player in the NHL? And I know I'm a homer but no love for Daniel? And you would actually take Milan Lucic and Joe Pavelski over Ilya Kovalchuk. I don't care if the dudes teams haven't been successful, he is a top 5 talent offensively. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Posted September 2, 2010 Share Posted September 2, 2010 I'd take Ilya over Heatley any day, Eric Staal too. Heatley is the same as Ilya, only hes Canadian so when he does it its cooler, right? I'd also take Ilya over Selanne right now (at Teemus age), but otherwise its a pretty fair list honestly, and I like Kovalchuk. "I don't understand where you got this idea so deeply ingrained in your head (that this world) is something that you must impress, cause I couldn't care less"http://keepdcunited.org Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Admiral Posted September 2, 2010 Share Posted September 2, 2010 Pretty awful list right there. You seriously think Henrik Sedin is the 9th best player in the NHL? And I know I'm a homer but no love for Daniel? And you would actually take Milan Lucic and Joe Pavelski over Ilya Kovalchuk. I don't care if the dudes teams haven't been successful, he is a top 5 talent offensively.I said I gave up having any order after Toews or so. And yes, I would take Pavelski before Kovalchuk, without a doubt. ♫ oh yeah, board goes on, long after the thrill of postin' is gone ♫ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neon_Matrix Posted September 2, 2010 Share Posted September 2, 2010 Pretty awful list right there. You seriously think Henrik Sedin is the 9th best player in the NHL? And I know I'm a homer but no love for Daniel? And you would actually take Milan Lucic and Joe Pavelski over Ilya Kovalchuk. I don't care if the dudes teams haven't been successful, he is a top 5 talent offensively.I said I gave up having any order after Toews or so. And yes, I would take Pavelski before Kovalchuk, without a doubt.I think next time you decide to play with airplane glue that you open some windows. Because Korbyn Is Colour Blind, My Signature Is Now Idiot Proof - Thanks Again Braden!!Go Leafs Go! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJTank Posted September 2, 2010 Share Posted September 2, 2010 Niemi is headed to the Sharks on a one-year, $2MM deal.I called that one a few pages back. www.sportsecyclopedia.com For the best in sports history go to the Sports E-Cyclopedia at http://www.sportsecyclopedia.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corvus Posted September 2, 2010 Share Posted September 2, 2010 But he did get other teams to the playoffs, correct?Sure, with some talent around him. He also missed the playoffs five or six times. And Kovalchuk is more on the order of say, a Glenn Anderson than a Wayne Gretzky. He's a very good player for his generation, but he's not an all time great. However, he's scored 40+ goals every year since 2004-2004. Is he a complete player? No. But he's still a very good player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Admiral Posted September 2, 2010 Share Posted September 2, 2010 Incomplete players aren't elite, which was what we were arguing all along. ♫ oh yeah, board goes on, long after the thrill of postin' is gone ♫ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brendan Posted September 2, 2010 Share Posted September 2, 2010 Incomplete players aren't elite, which was what we were arguing all along.That's ridiculous. Wayne Gretzky wasn't much of a defensive stalwart, and there were plenty of things he wasn't good at. That technically makes him incomplete, and according to you, that means he wasn't elite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Admiral Posted September 2, 2010 Share Posted September 2, 2010 Gretzky's an all-time +/- leader and he wasn't much on defense? ♫ oh yeah, board goes on, long after the thrill of postin' is gone ♫ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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