2011-2012 NCAA Football Uniform Thread

[slapshot]

However, in ASU's case, if black is an OFFICIAL ATHLETICS COLOR, how is it BFBS?

Semantics.

Technically, since it's now officially in the athletic color scheme, ASU can wear anything black.

If black was not an official color, and black was worn of emphasized, it's BFBS. Now that black IS an official color, it's not BFBS.

Since ASU never had black in its scheme before, and there is a huge emphasis on it, redesigning the identity with black is BFBS.

There's 2 different differentiations of BFBS....wearing black when it's not in your scheme, or when it consistently has been limited to trim only (like Ohio State or Boston College, for example).

The other instance is what ASU did...redesign the entire athletic identity to include black.

When Boston College added black, its logos were cleaned up. The traditional maroon and gold eagle was muddy and overly detailed. Black was added as an outline, which made the eagle easier to read and reproduce in a number of media. The maroon was also darkened, and the gold made metallic.

In ASU's case, the primary logo (Sparky), which had minimal black if any (the eyes and mustache?), was reduced to secondary status. The primary logo is either the trident or the ASU monogram, done in one color. Black wasn't incorporated into the identity so much as they just reproduced it in black. Sort of like taking the ESPN logo and printing it in black.

Considering how much ASU emphasizes black with its new uniforms, they were lazy in the way it was integrated into the identity.

[ONUV]

this been posted?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/dc-sports-bog/post/football-goes-from-terps-to-maryland-in-college-park/2011/05/31/AGKSNeFH_blog.html

[thespleenenator]

Apparently this is what Oregon is going to where against LSU:

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/717686-oregon-football-breaking-down-the-opening-game-uniforms-for-the-ducks

[Kevin W.]

Apparently this is what Oregon is going to where against LSU:

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/717686-oregon-football-breaking-down-the-opening-game-uniforms-for-the-ducks

It's Bleacher Report. Therefore there's a 99% chance it's bull .

[WSU151]

Apparently this is what Oregon is going to where against LSU:

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/717686-oregon-football-breaking-down-the-opening-game-uniforms-for-the-ducks

Do you really not know the difference between wear and where? Have you ever asked someone what they're whering?

[thespleenenator]

Apparently this is what Oregon is going to where against LSU:

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/717686-oregon-football-breaking-down-the-opening-game-uniforms-for-the-ducks

Do you really not know the difference between wear and where? Have you ever asked someone what they're whering?

bacon

[rams80]

Apparently this is what Oregon is going to where against LSU:

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/717686-oregon-football-breaking-down-the-opening-game-uniforms-for-the-ducks

Did you know that reading bleacher report increases your chances of being afflicted with testicular or prostate cancer by 400% and brain cancer by 700%?

[gdu]

Think about it...as much as Nike wants to add colors, the school colors for Oregon will always be yellow and green. They're never going to change to red, navy, and baby blue like a pro sports team might do.

I still don't see how a team can add a school color but not have it be a school color.

As ColorWerx has mentioned many times before, a school's athletic colors can be different from their administrative colors. Boston College's admin colors are maroon and gold. Athletic colors are black, maroon and gold. Black was added with the redesigned identity over 10 years ago, and in most cases, it's limited to a trim color. It also seems that basketball and football are removing it as trim as well, so it only remains in the logo.

Oregon's athletic and administrative colors are green and gold. Oregon can continue to wear anthracite, black, silver, gray, neon, fluorescent yellow, etc, but that doesn't make them official athletic colors.

Since the identity redesign, Arizona State's official athletic colors are black, maroon and gold. So even though black was added to be trendy, wearing uniforms emphasizing the color means they are promoting the new brand.

Okay, so I guess I've been confused at the "great" debate when people continually complain about lack of team colors in uniforms. I was thinking people where whining about lack of athletic colors or addition of OFFICIAL athletic colors, not INSTITUTION colors.

However, in ASU's case, if black is an OFFICIAL ATHLETICS COLOR, how is it BFBS?

If you don't understand at this point, I have to believe it's because you don't want to.

[BigDmo]

I mean I want to understand the MAIN reason CCSLC is so obsessed with calling BFBS. I swear half the time it shouldn't be a surprise when a team with black IN THEIR COLORS gets a black jersey yet it's called BFBS.

I also don't see why if you officially add a color to your official athletic colors why it's not an official color. It's like the style guide means nothing if it has black in it.

[slapshot]

I also don't see why if you officially add a color to your official athletic colors why it's not an official color. It's like the style guide means nothing if it has black in it.

This has been covered to death, but it does seem like you understand it, at least in your first sentence.

If the team officially adds it to the athletic color scheme, it's an official color.

The style guide means nothing if you randomly add any other color to the uniforms just because you feel like it.

If a team uses ANY color specifically as trim, or otherwise minimally, and decides to emphasize it "just because", that's where many people have issues. Black has consistently been the offending color over the past 20 or so years, but others include Navy Blue, Powder Blue and Gray/Silver/Anthracite.

If Michigan decides to wear a black jersey "just because", it's BFBS.

If Michigan decides to add black to the maize and blue, and wear black jerseys, then they are just expanding their color scheme. But the act of officially adding black to a color scheme just to be trendy and/or sell merchandise is also BFBS.

[BigDmo]

I also don't see why if you officially add a color to your official athletic colors why it's not an official color. It's like the style guide means nothing if it has black in it.

This has been covered to death, but it does seem like you understand it, at least in your first sentence.

If the team officially adds it to the athletic color scheme, it's an official color.

The style guide means nothing if you randomly add any other color to the uniforms just because you feel like it.

If a team uses ANY color specifically as trim, or otherwise minimally, and decides to emphasize it "just because", that's where many people have issues. Black has consistently been the offending color over the past 20 or so years, but others include Navy Blue, Powder Blue and Gray/Silver/Anthracite.

If Michigan decides to wear a black jersey "just because", it's BFBS.

If Michigan decides to add black to the maize and blue, and wear black jerseys, then they are just expanding their color scheme. But the act of officially adding black to a color scheme just to be trendy and/or sell merchandise is also BFBS.

No I understand that. I don't understand people telling me that Arizona State's brand new black uniforms along with the brand new style guide which officially added black as a color, is BFBS

[TalktoChuck]

I also don't see why if you officially add a color to your official athletic colors why it's not an official color. It's like the style guide means nothing if it has black in it.

This has been covered to death, but it does seem like you understand it, at least in your first sentence.

If the team officially adds it to the athletic color scheme, it's an official color.

The style guide means nothing if you randomly add any other color to the uniforms just because you feel like it.

If a team uses ANY color specifically as trim, or otherwise minimally, and decides to emphasize it "just because", that's where many people have issues. Black has consistently been the offending color over the past 20 or so years, but others include Navy Blue, Powder Blue and Gray/Silver/Anthracite.

If Michigan decides to wear a black jersey "just because", it's BFBS.

If Michigan decides to add black to the maize and blue, and wear black jerseys, then they are just expanding their color scheme. But the act of officially adding black to a color scheme just to be trendy and/or sell merchandise is also BFBS.

No I understand that. I don't understand people telling me that Arizona State's brand new black uniforms along with the brand new style guide which officially added black as a color, is BFBS

Because they didn't use black before, and they only added it as an official color to be trendy.

[Kevin W.]

No I understand that. I don't understand people telling me that Arizona State's brand new black uniforms along with the brand new style guide which officially added black as a color, is BFBS

Because there was no good reason for adding it besides looking "kool."

[BigDmo]

It was still officially added therefore by everyone's reasoning, it is NOT BFBS

[Kevin W.]

It was still officially added therefore by everyone's reasoning, it is NOT BFBS

Making it official isn't everything. The motives also play into it, and ASU didn't have a truly valid motive for adding it besides trying to appeal more to fashion-minded recruits and merchandise buyers.

[TalktoChuck]

It was still officially added therefore by everyone's reasoning, it is NOT BFBS

I think you may have skipped over a couple parts of Slapshot's (and other member's) post. Here is a portion of Slapshot's previous post.

But the act of officially adding black to a color scheme just to be trendy and/or sell merchandise is also BFBS.

[guest23]

It was still officially added therefore by everyone's reasoning, it is NOT BFBS

I think you may have skipped over a couple parts of Slapshot's (and other member's) post. Here is a portion of Slapshot's previous post.

But the act of officially adding black to a color scheme just to be trendy and/or sell merchandise is also BFBS.

New Term Coined: BOAFBSTSMAHR = black officially added for black's sake to sell merchandise and help recruiting

[thespleenenator]

It was still officially added therefore by everyone's reasoning, it is NOT BFBS

I think you may have skipped over a couple parts of Slapshot's (and other member's) post. Here is a portion of Slapshot's previous post.

But the act of officially adding black to a color scheme just to be trendy and/or sell merchandise is also BFBS.

New Term Coined: BOAFBSTSMAHR = black officially added for black's sake to sell merchandise and help recruiting

That just about summarizes it. But then again, if you're a program like ASU, who struggles to get fans to see their football games, anything helps right? Plus the new uniforms look awesome. Not that old ones were bad, in fact, I really liked them, but these are fiercer and more aggressive than a smily cartoon devil.

[BigDmo]

I think I finally get it. There is no way for a team to add black without it being considered BFBS.

Okay carry on.

[oldschoolvikings]

There is no way for a team to add black without it being considered BFBS.

Works for me.