MLB Hotstove 2016-17

[SFGiants58]

16 minutes ago, SabresRule7361 said:

My issue with Trout winning is a simple one:

 

If you take out RBI/batting average (historically flimsy numbers to correlate), Betts topped him in a lot of stats that I think can't be discounted- hits, total bases, extra base hits, doubles. They were only separated by 1 run in terms of runs scored. And he wasn't exactly a liability in the outfield.

 

The one thing Trout had going for him as usual is WAR. He accumulated great WAR, but that's all that stood out.

 

And where was his signature moment, that MVP moment? Kris Bryant had the 3 HR 2 double game. Max Scherzer had the 20 strikeout game.

 

I just think Betts' total offensive hitting package was discounted too much in favor of Trout's WAR.

 

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/the-actual-difference-between-mike-trout-and-mookie-betts/

 

That should discount any consideration of Betts.

 

Also, signature moment? You're entering "The Will to Win" territory, which is total quackery that should be left in the dust with pitcher wins. Who cares if he didn't have one big game, but many consistent ones? 

[2001mark]

12 hours ago, 2001mark said:

Britton was the best AL pitcher this season.  I'm okay with the outcome because it didn't matter after the noms list.

 

omg, &  now I see Britton was the highest MVP vote getter of AL pitchers, albeit 11th place.  
Is Harold Reynolds an actual baseball god?

[tigerslionspistonshabs]

2 former Tigers winning the Cy Youngs. Awesome. (sarcasm)

[2001mark]

11 hours ago, 2001mark said:

 

Signature moments get orange slices.  Trout was the best player in the AL for 2016.  Betts had help in his lineup & his guy won the Cy Young.  I'm suggesting it was that close & the finer player performance won out.  

Actually, signature moments get what Rajai Davis just showed us here.

[Unocal]

Since when did we declare Trout the best player in baseball?

 

Just because he has a great WAR?

 

These sabermetrics are ruining baseball.

 

Nobody goes to a baseball game and wonders how much WAR a guy will have.

 

Seriously, the baseball nerds have basically made this guy into a baseball god because of an inane stat that didn't exist until recently. He didn't even hit 30 HR's, yet had a WAR of 10?

 

In my eyes, the wrong guy won AL MVP.

[(probably)notabandwagonfan]

7 hours ago, SabresRule7361 said:

Since when did we declare Trout the best player in baseball?

 

Just because he has a great WAR?

 

These sabermetrics are ruining baseball.

 

Nobody goes to a baseball game and wonders how much WAR a guy will have.

 

Seriously, the baseball nerds have basically made this guy into a baseball god because of an inane stat that didn't exist until recently. He didn't even hit 30 HR's, yet had a WAR of 10?

 

In my eyes, the wrong guy won AL MVP.

He may not be the best player in one particular category, but he's very good in every single category and bad in none. He has a high batting average. He walks a ton which allows him to have a super high OBP. He hits a lot of XBH, which gives him a high SLG. He runs well; he had 30 SB, he avoided GIDPs, and he is well regarded as a smart baserunner. He fields well (though not outstandingly), traditionally-- only 4 errors-- and sabermetrically-- 6 DRS--. Is he the best in any of these categories? Probably only OBP. Is he really good in all of these categories? I'd say yes.

If that's not convincing, Trout did make some 85 less outs than Mookie Betts did. 

[SFGiants58]

7 hours ago, SabresRule7361 said:

These sabermetrics are ruining baseball.

 

 

I'm glad baseball is slowly but surely driving the anti-sabermetric crowd out of positions of power. Besides, there's a lot more to sabermetrics than WAR, which is something that's not even agreed upon by the sabermetric crowds (as there are two kinds of WAR, bWAR and fWAR, each with their own benefits and issues).

 

Sabermetrics aren't boring, nor are they promoting "less entertaining players who don't have 'signature moments' (whatever the bleep that means)." Nobody goes to a game and cares about bWAR/fWAR, but they care about all of the things that make up that stat (base hits, extra base hits, runs scored, home runs, stolen bases, walks, outs made, good defensive plays, and all other sorts of fun things). Mike Trout's excellence in all of these things is why his WAR is high, and the fact that he is so good in all of these matters (and can continue to improve his game without missing time to injury and falling behind, like Harper), is why he deserves to be MVP.

[AnPheitseog]

On 16/11/2016 at 11:19 AM, Crabcake47 said:

I did this last year, and I'm going to do it again.  The O's have several holes to fill and not a lot of cash to do it.  Here would be my steps to a successful offseason (in no particular order).

 

Step 1: Don't get sucked into a bidding war for Mark Trumbo.

Probably one of our 3 best position players last year, Trumbo was a massive source of offense.  He hit 47 homers, a career-high, and by many counts had the best season of his career.  Because of that, there is going to be a team that's willing to massively overpay for him.  Before last season, Trumbo had never hit more than 35 homers in a season, not fantastic for a guy whose main strength is the long ball.  If Trumbo is willing to sign a short term deal (2 or 3 years tops) for a reasonable amount per year, they should jump at it.  But let someone else overpay for him.

 

Step 2: Sign/trade for a corner outfielder.

Right now, the O's are looking at Hyun Soo Kim, Dariel Alvarez, and Joey Rickard to fill the two outfield spots either side of Adam Jones.  Kim is good and should have LF locked up, but he desperately needs a platoon partner as he's basically nonexistent vs. LHPs.  Alvarez and Rickard are both young and can be improved upon.  Josh Reddick, Ian Desmond, and others could fill the spot admirably.

 

Step 3: Trade away one of the big albatross SP contracts.

By this, I mean Ubaldo Jimenez, Yovani Gallardo, and Wade Miley.  Obviously this is easier said than done, but I think it's something that can and should be done.  Tillman, Gausman, and Bundy have the top 3 spots in the rotation locked up, so there'll only be room for 2 of Jimenez, Gallardo, and Miley in the rotation.  Trading one of them away for something - anything - would be beneficial.

 

Step 4: Sign a starting pitcher.

The back half of the rotation needs help.  Desperately.  They should only do this if they successfully complete step 3.

 

Step 5: SIgn a DH replacement for Trumbo.

We're going to lose Trumbo.  Find a replacement.

 

Step 6: Sign a catcher to a short term deal.

We're going to lose Wieters, and there should probably be a 1-2 year gap to Chance Sisco, and I'm not sure if Caleb Joseph is good enough to start regularly.  

I want to come back to this.

 

The longer things go with Wieters, the more I expect him to come back to the Orioles for less than what a QO(that he didnt receive) would have gotten him. Especially with the McCann deal, Wieters might end up being a bargin come Feb if he is still without a contract.

 

As far as step 2, i think it's got to be given to Ubaldo. He's shown the most promise, in my eyes, than the other two. I'd jettison Miley, whose only reason for existence is because he is a breathing left handed pitcher.

 

I hate to suggest this with young arms, but a four man rotation might not be the most terrible idea this year. Overtaxing, yes, but it puts the top three pitchers out there, and eliminates the need for the 5th terrible pitcher.

It's playing with fire as much as Ubaldo, Miley, or Gallardo, but, the Orioles should give a look to Jeff Locke. The potential is there, the results have been there. He is one of the best choices for a fifth man in the rotation, and the team will win about half of the games that he starts.

 

On that note, i would also give thought to promoting Worley to a SP. He has great value as a long reliever, he really does. His starts werent too terrible at times, and if he gets stretched out during ST he might not be bad at all.

[2001mark]

Tell me again why Kate Upton is famous.  I'd like her to tweet why.  That'd be fascinating.

 

 

[2001mark]

19 hours ago, SabresRule7361 said:

Nobody goes to a baseball game and wonders how much WAR a guy will have.

It's not about that.  You're not wrong.  Having said that, I actually do look at WAR standings on a weekly basis - for fun.

 

However, nobody keeps a job in baseball without taking into account sabermetrics & the like.  

[HedleyLamarr]

2 minutes ago, 2001mark said:

Tell me again why Kate Upton is famous.  I'd like her to tweet why.  That'd be fascinating.

I'm sure she'll give you two reasons why.....

[Cosmic]

11 hours ago, 2001mark said:

Tell me again why Kate Upton is famous.  I'd like her to tweet why.  That'd be fascinating.

 

 

Cat. Daddy.

 

She's a model and she's done a couple movies. I mean, she's not Tom Hanks or anything, but it's something. And I guess she's dating someone famous.

[tp49]

Diamondbacks trade Jean Segura, Mitch Hanigar and Zac Curtis to the Mariners for Taijuan Walker and Ketel Marte.

[2001mark]

Yay lockout.  

[Rj0498]

Braves making a lot of moves they just signed Sean Rodriguez

[dsaline97]

1 hour ago, Rj0498 said:

Braves making a lot of moves they just signed Sean Rodriguez

Who? Oh, right, that guy:

 

[Rj0498]

1 hour ago, dsaline97 said:

Who? Oh, right, that guy:

 

Indeed that guy. the one who likely won't get a endorsement from Gatorade anytime soon

[CS85]

I'm glad he stayed in the NL, so that he can see the Cubs often and have his petty dreams crushed with some regularity.

[Thomas]

On 26/11/2016 at 6:32 PM, Rj0498 said:

Braves making a lot of moves they just signed Sean Rodriguez

 

He will be used when it´s time to wake Dicky and Colon from their noon naps

[Thomas]

On 20/11/2016 at 6:08 AM, 2001mark said:

Tell me again why Kate Upton is famous.

 

 

She knows more about baseball then certain Baseball Writers?