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Justin Herbert would throw for 500 yards and 6 touchdowns against that atrocious defense, but I think Justin Herbert can respond right back and lead a game-winning drive to squeak out the win in the end. I'm betting on the Chargers to win.

I did include a navy jersey when I made that concept (as well as an Oilers throwback just for kicks and giggles; I know it's legally impossible but I'm having fun with my concepts haha), but the whole experiment of the concept was to see what a redesigned red-first set would look like for the Texans. The striping was indeed inspired by the Texas flag. I steered away from stars on the navy segments to avoid similarities to the Cowboys, plus it just looked a bit cartoonish for my taste. Ignore the TV numbers; I initially included them before realizing they didn't fit, so I removed them in the later version that I posted in this thread. As for the number font idea, I'd be fine with that as well. Admittedly my custom font was a bit rushed. That 4 looks wonkier every time I look at it. Very cool to see people here on the boards involved with making actual uniforms. I'd love to hear more about what that job is like, that'd be a dream job for me. Also, a lil fun fact, I met the great-great-great-grandson of Stetson University's founder when I was younger, he was named after the school. He was a friend of my neighbor and went to my church before I started attending. Solid kid, great at pickup football.

I like their set a good amount, but I wouldn't go so far as to say it's perfect. It's a bit on the bland side compared to much of the league and - to me at least - is one of the most forgettable sets in the league, as inoffensive and timeless as it is. If they're gonna rebrand, they should go for something slightly more modern but still tasteful, preferably prioritizing red over navy. I'd be ecstatic if the Texans went with something like this concept I made, inspired by @nate.sweitz's Texans concept. I know I always plug my own concepts when discussing how a team should look, (apologies to the mods if that's a problem) but I feel like it's worth posting for the sake of discussing alternative options.

Pretty sure they'll be able to wear with either alternate. Same reasoning why the Saints have paired their black helmet with the Color Rush Throwbacks. I'd prefer a navy throwback, but there's still a reasonable chance the throwback helmet will be paired with the white double-outline-star-shoulder throwbacks they've worn the last few years.

I thought I saw somewhere that the Cowboys would use this helmet both for the Thanksgiving throwbacks and for the color rush set, though neither are royal so I'm not sure what the deal is here.

I meant to say it earlier but if the Eagles would just wear midnight pants this would be a gorgeous matchup. As a quick side rant, the Texans' red helmets are beautiful. Red helmets, jerseys, and socks should be their primary home combo. The AFC could use a bit more bright color, especially considering how many navy and black teams there are. Shoutout to the Texans for having the only legitimately good non-throwback alternate helmet this year.

In most cases, I'd prefer shrinking it a bit and placing it inside the collar, but with the NFL shield being placed there, the shoulder cap is best. If there isn't room, I'd be fine with it being on the chest like it is in college football and other sports. My non-NFL football concepts always go shoulder cap first and collar if there isn't room.

Top middle as primary, bottom right as secondary. Boom. Done. That's all the Browns need. Simple, yet classy. Doesn't bother me too much that the facemark doesn't align with the Browns' current helmet, it feels more historical and is necessary on the brown background.

Ah, I stand corrected. I imagine their set and the Broncos rebrand started the trend. Either way, I don't think there was any ulterior messaging behind outside of it looking more edgy.

that's a little bit on the mean-spirited side my guy

Jesus Christ my dude what are you on about? He's saying that teams should try to look less like other teams in the league in terms of color selection by pointing out the number of silver helmets compared to black ones. The Jaguars' ill-fated and deservedly reviled two-tone helmets are unique sure, but they're absolutely abominable. Like we've tried to explain before, unique ≠ good; it's a case-by-case basis. The Panthers silver helmets are inoffensive at worst and at the very least adhere to tradition whilst staying away from over-designed gimmicks. The same cannot be remotely said for those gradient eyesores. How is the Saints' helmet color of any relevance? I was referring strictly to the jerseys when saying Black is overused, especially in the division. Gold looks nothing like silver and sets the Saints apart from the rest of the division. Pewter looks nothing like silver and sets the Buccaneers apart from the division. The two colors aren't even remotely similar in hue or brightness, so I don't know how you came to that conclusion. Emphasizing black in a division full of black defeats the whole purpose of a uniform: to make it so fans and players can tell teams apart. I don't think anyone here necessarily hates them at all. They are simply no longer necessary anymore. In the days of old when camera quality was horrible, fans needed those numbers to help identify players. That's not the case anymore in an age of HD TV's. In college football, many teams started out without TV numbers because - again - they didn't see them necessary. Nowadays, it's fine to have them, but it's one more element to squeeze into a space that's getting smaller by the decade, and it makes perfect sense to get rid of the element that serves the least function. I'd much rather a logo stay than a logo; it gives jerseys a lot more personality and vibrance, in a good way. Purely a matter of preference. If there's room, stick the TV numbers in there. Doesn't make a difference to me. If there isn't room, they should be the first on the list to go. Sure the Bengals or Chargers could add them, but I don't mind the difference either way. I'm glad the Patriots did what the Panthers should and ditched them, because - again - there isn't enough room for them. Well this is - again - a straw man and a half. There's a reason we prefer things leans towards the traditional, because it looks better. I'm always down for mixing traditional and modern elements or going full modern, as long as it looks good. I like uniforms that can break boundaries or use new ideas, as long as it works on a fundamental level. When teams try to go modern by unveiling gradient helmets or ugly number fonts or oversimplified striping or chrome elements, it crosses the line. Such elements overstep the boundaries of the long-standing rules of football aesthetics. As a rule for art in general, no matter whether that's fresco painting or NFL uniform design, you need to know and adhere to the rules, take the time to understand them and why they work first, and only then can you break them in a way that works. That is why all the modern NFL and Arena uniforms you listed as examples fail your own test. That's why the 90s Patriots' uniform work, despite being quite outlandish for the time. And most importantly, that's why everyone here disagrees with you, because you don't understand the rules enough to know when breaking them works and doesn't. Opinions are opinions, you're entitled to yours. But when you make outlandish claims about how uniforms look, and we disagree with them, it's an indicator - to us - that you simply don't understand the craft enough for your taste to be well-informed. It reminds me of a poignant point from a video essay regarding AI interpolation in animation and how it fundamentally ignores basic principles of animation, explaining that there's a reason that look the way they do: "I couldn't tell the difference between a 40$ gourmet dinner, and f***ing McDonald's, but if a gourmet chef tells me his burger is better without ketchup, I'm gonna trust him on that." All I'm asking you to do is to hear us out when we explain why some things work and others don't, even if you think "idk man, I just like it better". You'll have a lot more fun here on the boards if you take a humbler approach and listen before diving in guns a-blazing and arguing with everyone here at once. That's all I'm gonna say.

Unless you're referring to the pants striping, (which since the move to the Nike Vapor template does not terminate into a point, but gets cut off at the bottom, so wrong on both accounts) you might want to get your eyes checked. The shoulder stripes either terminate straight on like most shoulder stripes or squeeze a bit to fully loop under the armpit, depending on the jersey cut. Either way, neither stripe fully terminates into a point anymore, and even if they did it looks nothing like a panther claw mark. The reason other here have compared your statements to Nikespeak is because you're assigning meaning to choices that weren't done with anything in mind. The Panthers original pants striping wasn't supposed to be anything, it just came to a point like was common for pants striping at the time. This might be the first thing you've said regarding the Panthers that I agree with. I don't dislike the silver and would prefer the Panthers keep it to some degree, but I think the Process Blue they use is incredibly striking and unique in a good way. If they're going to overhaul, which I don't quite find necessary, I'd love for them to base any new set around it. Black is overdone, especially in a division with the Falcons and the Saints. That being said, all they need is to ditch the TV numbers, revert the pants stripe back to the correct size and color balance, ditch some uglier combos, and perhaps use a more modern number font. That's all the tweaking they need. Tighter-fitting uniform templates, the Chargers, Vikings, Bengals, and Lions rebrands (ranked from best to meh in that order, all are massive upgrades), returning the Jets to kelly green, returning the Rams to royal and yellow, and introducing helmet sheens like the Jets and Commanders. Nike has made some truly awful stuff and ruined the looks of a handful of teams, but give credit where credit is due. They've done some good to balance it out.

Easiest jersey swap of all time.

Very good start so far, especially for someone so new to the boards. I'll be following along, looking forward to the rest of the teams!

Calling that a 'fact' isn't just a stretch, it's yoga. I don't see anything remotely resembling a scratch mark; It's a typical shoulder loop. It doesn't even terminate into a point. If anything, current USC or the Brady-era Patriots sets look more like claw marks than anything the Panthers have worn. Jesus Christ my dude what are you smoking

Where on earth did you come to this conclusion? That's never been the case for the Panthers, and if it was the striping looks absolutely nothing like claw marks. The original 1995 uniform release must've invented Nikespeak a decade early and I didn't notice. I'd love to know where you heard this absolute ludicrous statement.

The LA Chargers refreshed their logo in 2020, and it was miles better than anything CFL 2023 has put out. I gotta say, I'm vastly disappointed in this set, aside from Houston, which is an upgrade in my book. St. Louis and Orlando (why?) are fine logos, but inferior to their prior looks. I highly doubt any of these logos took hours to make; most of them feel like first drafts rather than final primary logos. XFL 2020 was by far a better looking batch of teams, and even then they had some issues. Hell, I'll take the original XFL of this dreary array. Poor job across the board. I'll still watch the league, but unless the uniforms knock it out of the park, I'm not particularly thrilled about doing so.

I was under the impression that the Mavericks were expected to change in the next few years and were rumored to rebrand this year, but I could be wrong. Forgot where I saw that but I could've sworn there was legitimate momentum behind a rebrand, especially since the Mavs current set is quite outdated at this point.

Love that look for Dallas. Perfect blend of modern type and classic striping. I'd love to see them go with something similar when they inevitably revamp their current set.

Beautifully colored? Sure, it just doesn't look like what a Cowboys-Bears game should look like.

I'd be perfectly fine with that for the Eagles. I like the Kelly green throwbacks for the Eagles but find them a bit too plain for my taste. I think the midnight green is an incredibly unique color that works really well in today's NFL, especially as a flat fabric compared to the weird glossy finish of the Reebok era. Any simple Eagles concept with midnight green and silver is a win for me.

In all fairness, the Hawks never made an all-volt uniform. That would've been even more of an eyesore than the Jazz new highlighter cosplays or the Timberwolves' cheap imitations of the Seahawks' volt color rush uniforms. A quick side note, I didn't dislike that set for the hawks. Swap the volt out for yellow and limit the triangle pattern the only around the shoulders and it'd be a great set. It works really well for a vibrant, modern city like Atlanta. I don't like it better than the current Hawks' set, but it was a bit better than many gave it credit for.

I completely agree with this take. With the block, it's a classic look and still a top-tier look in the NFL, but the futura works better. It's unique without being too modern or too bland. Block numbers, while classic, are boring, especially when most of the league uses them. Plus, it's the only thing setting them apart from Iowa, though I'm well aware they modeled their uniforms after the classic Steelers set. I can see sticklers for tradition preferring the block numbers, and that's perfectly understandable. But I don't see why people out there downright hate the futura numbers like I've seen some on the boards do. I like the Bears' number font for the same reasoning. It's timeless like a standard block font, yet more tasteful for the modern day. It's interesting that they began using a sans serif font over 50 years ago compared to the Steelers introducing the futura in the late 90s.

a few of my favorites that haven't been mentioned yet C'mon. This thread should not have gone this long without mentioning it. I can't stand Ohio State, but they have the best helmet - and perhaps the best uniforms - in college football. Love the finish on this one, it instantly improves any combo Cincy wears. They should only use this one and the black one. Their uniforms need a bit more red to balance out the mostly-black jerseys. Wasn't a huge fan of the uniform set this helmet went with, nor do I think it should be what the Illini wear, but I absolutely love this helmet. The shade of orange against the navy facemark and bumper work super well, and the slight lighter orange outline prevents the colors from bleeding together too much.

Bengals are wearing white over black, right? Thought I saw that posted a while back. Normally I'd dislike having so much orange in one game, but it's Halloween night. Love it when teams do something fun to celebrate holiday games. I'll prefer the Browns' orange pants against almost any opponent regardless, so this one definitely gets a pass.