McCall Posted January 9, 2013 Share Posted January 9, 2013 Sorry, I meant to explain, but I was so upset with the trolls on here.What trolls? You're the only trolling around here. Quote https://dribbble.com/MakaioCall Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrySmalls Posted January 9, 2013 Share Posted January 9, 2013 My mind hurts from reading max's posts and that's saying something! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Top Shelf Posted January 9, 2013 Share Posted January 9, 2013 With Sacramento potentially moving to Seattle:WESTERN CONFERENCEPACIFICDenverGolden StateLA ClippersLA LakersPhoenixPortlandSeattleUtahMIDWESTDallasHoustonMemphisMinnesotaNew OrleansOklahoma CitySan AntonioEASTERN CONFERENCECENTRALAtlantaChicagoClevelandDetroitIndianaMilwaukeeTorontoATLANTICBostonBrooklynCharlotteMiamiNew YorkOrlandoPhiladelphiaWashington Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBGKon Posted January 10, 2013 Share Posted January 10, 2013 Oddly uneven sports divisions are the dumbest idea I have ever heard....end of story. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McCall Posted January 10, 2013 Share Posted January 10, 2013 Oddly uneven sports divisions are the dumbest idea I have ever heard....end of story.Sometimes you can't help it, but the NBA is not one of those instances. They can easily be evenly divided. Quote https://dribbble.com/MakaioCall Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
max Posted January 10, 2013 Share Posted January 10, 2013 I think I need something more creative than the "Seattle Kings to the Northwest Division/Pacific Division" logic. Something new from the regulars.Sometimes you can't help it,All leagues have at least two teams. This is the First Commandment of the Pointless Realignment Outpost. Baseball. There is a certain amount of teams per league that require a certain length to the season (because MLB has 30 teams - if they had 29 one team would have to be 'off' every day/series every 29th day/series while the other 28 teams played). One team in an 11-team baseball league would have to be 'off' every 11th day for at least one day (and because baseball schedules are blocked into series' for traveling purposes, a team would have to sit out for perhaps one full series every 10th series)but the NBA is not one of those instances. They can easily be evenly divided.The NBA's divisions matter because the top three division winners get a home playoff game. An NBA team's schedule is mostly balanced (home and home vs every other NBA team), but the remaining games could be played anywhere within their conferences as many times as possible - and the Milwaukee Bucks are in the opposite conference of the Minnesota Timberwolves. The schedules are uneven, conferences/divisions create this unevenness (not a problem of European soccer). Why have geographical divisions at all?The schedules should fit the grouping arrangements. My idea is that you play your closest geographical rivals more often than other teams and if you win the series, you go to the playoffs (think NHL divisional playoffs of the four-division days).Look at it from the perspective of the Central Hockey League:10 teamsNo divisionsMissouri plays Quad City like 11 times this year (Missouri's closest geographical rival is the Wichita Thunder who they play like 4 times).The logic I think somebody needs to apply must relate to current or proposed or potential scheduling formats to divisional alignment ('inherent divisions' could be based on the largest number of home and home series played between teams, real rivals, created by scheduling, placed together (rather than grouping teams based closest geographically to each other - AND ANOTHER REASON why geographical proximity is useful in grouping teams together: it's the top criteria used by sports fans in forming their favorite teams >> see the other thread named "How many teams can I root for" or something like that)...if divisions are going to exist at all...I think if you have created a mock-up of the NBA in which the Pacific (westernmost Western Conference division) Division has 8 teams, the Atlantic (easternmost Eastern Conference division) Division must also have 8 teams.I think balanced opportunity will help us determine World Champions (not the BCS system), and this activity we involve ourselves in here is probably a never-ending engagement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McCall Posted January 10, 2013 Share Posted January 10, 2013 I think I need something more creative than the "Seattle Kings to the Northwest Division/Pacific Division" logic. Something new from the regulars.Sometimes you can't help it,All leagues have at least two teams. This is the First Commandment of the Pointless Realignment Outpost. Baseball. There is a certain amount of teams per league that require a certain length to the season (because MLB has 30 teams - if they had 29 one team would have to be 'off' every day/series every 29th day/series while the other 28 teams played). One team in an 11-team baseball league would have to be 'off' every 11th day for at least one day (and because baseball schedules are blocked into series' for traveling purposes, a team would have to sit out for perhaps one full series every 10th series)but the NBA is not one of those instances. They can easily be evenly divided.The NBA's divisions matter because the top three division winners get a home playoff game. An NBA team's schedule is mostly balanced (home and home vs every other NBA team), but the remaining games could be played anywhere within their conferences as many times as possible - and the Milwaukee Bucks are in the opposite conference of the Minnesota Timberwolves. The schedules are uneven, conferences/divisions create this unevenness (not a problem of European soccer). Why have geographical divisions at all?The schedules should fit the grouping arrangements. My idea is that you play your closest geographical rivals more often than other teams and if you win the series, you go to the playoffs (think NHL divisional playoffs of the four-division days).Look at it from the perspective of the Central Hockey League:10 teamsNo divisionsMissouri plays Quad City like 11 times this year (Missouri's closest geographical rival is the Wichita Thunder who they play like 4 times).The logic I think somebody needs to apply must relate to current or proposed or potential scheduling formats to divisional alignment ('inherent divisions' could be based on the largest number of home and home series played between teams, real rivals, created by scheduling, placed together (rather than grouping teams based closest geographically to each other - AND ANOTHER REASON why geographical proximity is useful in grouping teams together: it's the top criteria used by sports fans in forming their favorite teams >> see the other thread named "How many teams can I root for" or something like that)...if divisions are going to exist at all...I think if you have created a mock-up of the NBA in which the Pacific (westernmost Western Conference division) Division has 8 teams, the Atlantic (easternmost Eastern Conference division) Division must also have 8 teams.I think balanced opportunity will help us determine World Champions (not the BCS system), and this activity we involve ourselves in here is probably a never-ending engagement.What the... ??? Why did you quote me and totally in the wrong manner? Even without all the mumbo jumbo numbers you still don't make sense. Beating your closest geographical neighbor means nothing if they have a .250 winning percentage and someone else's geographical neighbor has a .680. And minor league hockey and other minor leagues play so many local games because leagues are set-up as closely geographical leagues. They're the minors. They don't have the financial resources that major league teams do to travel back and forth across the country. Quote https://dribbble.com/MakaioCall Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ESTONES6 Posted January 10, 2013 Share Posted January 10, 2013 What the... ??? Why did you quote me and totally in the wrong manner? Even without all the mumbo jumbo numbers you still don't make sense. Beating your closest geographical neighbor means nothing if they have a .250 winning percentage and someone else's geographical neighbor has a .680. And minor league hockey and other minor leagues play so many local games because leagues are set-up as closely geographical leagues. They're the minors. They don't have the financial resources that major league teams do to travel back and forth across the country.Wait... so you mean playing in a Division with only 1 other team isn't as good of a gauge, league wide, as playing in a division for 4-6 teams? Quote SAINT IGNATIUS WILDCATS | CLEVELAND BROWNS | CLEVELAND CAVALIERS | CLEVELAND INDIANS | THE OHIO STATE BUCKEYES Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McCall Posted January 10, 2013 Share Posted January 10, 2013 What the... ??? Why did you quote me and totally in the wrong manner? Even without all the mumbo jumbo numbers you still don't make sense. Beating your closest geographical neighbor means nothing if they have a .250 winning percentage and someone else's geographical neighbor has a .680. And minor league hockey and other minor leagues play so many local games because leagues are set-up as closely geographical leagues. They're the minors. They don't have the financial resources that major league teams do to travel back and forth across the country.Wait... so you mean playing in a Division with only 1 other team isn't as good of a gauge, league wide, as playing in a division for 4-6 teams?Only if they're located more than 0.037459274830184637 miles from the primary bathroom of the other team. 1 Quote https://dribbble.com/MakaioCall Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ESTONES6 Posted January 10, 2013 Share Posted January 10, 2013 What the... ??? Why did you quote me and totally in the wrong manner? Even without all the mumbo jumbo numbers you still don't make sense. Beating your closest geographical neighbor means nothing if they have a .250 winning percentage and someone else's geographical neighbor has a .680. And minor league hockey and other minor leagues play so many local games because leagues are set-up as closely geographical leagues. They're the minors. They don't have the financial resources that major league teams do to travel back and forth across the country.Wait... so you mean playing in a Division with only 1 other team isn't as good of a gauge, league wide, as playing in a division for 4-6 teams?Only if they're located more than 0.037459274830184637 miles from the primary bathroom of the other team.Well I mean that makes sense. Quote SAINT IGNATIUS WILDCATS | CLEVELAND BROWNS | CLEVELAND CAVALIERS | CLEVELAND INDIANS | THE OHIO STATE BUCKEYES Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
max Posted January 11, 2013 Share Posted January 11, 2013 Using the same logic that NHL, MLB, NFL, MLS, NCAA, NBA, and most American professional sports leagues use when they organize their divisions, a 2-team division (two teams are each others' closest rivals, the "team with the better record" between the two making the playoffs...) in a league in which the teams are geographically close and (what I am postulating as necessary because playoff formats in these sports leagues are based on regional proximity) a scheduling format that weighs geographical proximity among opponents (only one other team) as the most important factor in scheduling games.I think you all already have all the sports teams organized in your brain pretty efficiently. For some reason you associate the Atlanta Falcons with the Cleveland Browns because you had a football card of some linebacker on the Falcons named "Gregg Williams" spearing the 1993 quarterback of the Browns. You grew up to hate the Browns and move to Atlanta. This seemingly innocuous football card is stuck in your brain for the rest of eternity subconsciously and every time you see the Cleveland Browns logo, you think of the Atlanta Falcons, and vice versa. This is just one "realignment" or grouping of parts of a whole that you have created for a very common pastime (a pastime that brought all of us to this message board). Now we have the chance to talk about this phenomenon.It should take a long time to figure out your subconscious realignment format. Get to work.That being said, the NFL, NBA, NHL, MLB, NCAA, etc. already have realignments planned out pretty well (you see, their jobs depend on it and they are aware of factors that you and I don't even get to see!) and it's all fine.Fine, I'll do the NBA seriously. It's hideous:PhoenixLakersClippersGolden StateKings/SeattlePortlandUtahDenverDallasHoustonSan AntonioNew OrleansOklahoma CityMinnesotaMilwaukeeChicagoTorontoDetroitClevelandIndianapolisAtlantaMemphisCharlotteOrlandoMiamiPhiladelphiaBostonNew YorkBrooklynWashingtonOne more thing, these teams are listed in the order I remembered they were a team in the NBA (the order is based on God?)It is subconscious? I'm not saying my subconscious is the only subconscious out there (I mean there's a collective unconscious which IS the current division alignment, is that incomprehensible?)76ersKnicksNuggetsSonics/KingsThunderMavericksHornets (#1)BobcatsHawksHeatMagicWizardsNetsKnicks (they're listed here twice, this is the second time, maybe a good division/conference break)SunsLakersClippersRaptorsPacersPistonsBucksTimberwolvesJazzBullsHornets (#2)Celtics(really running out of teams at this point)SpursRockets(really)Cavaliers(3 more!?)WarriorsTrailblazersMemphis (ah, the most forgotten)Right now, my best idea:Division 1 (13 teams)Philadelphia 76ersNew York KnicksDenver NuggetsSacramento/Seattle KingsOklahoma City ThunderDallas MavericksNew Orleans HornetsCharlotte BobcatsAtlanta HawksMiami HeatOrlando MagicWashington WizardsBrooklyn NetsDivision 2 (10 teams)Phoenix SunsLos Angeles LakersLos Angeles ClippersToronto RaptorsIndiana PacersDetroit PistonsMilwaukee BucksMinnesota TimberwolvesUtah JazzChicago BullsDivision 3 (7 teams)Boston CelticsSan Antonio SpursHouston RocketsCleveland CavaliersGolden State WarriorsPortland TrailblazersMemphis GrizzliesThis is a one-man show. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ESTONES6 Posted January 11, 2013 Share Posted January 11, 2013 Nevermind. I don't even know what to say anymore. 1 Quote SAINT IGNATIUS WILDCATS | CLEVELAND BROWNS | CLEVELAND CAVALIERS | CLEVELAND INDIANS | THE OHIO STATE BUCKEYES Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GriffinM6 Posted January 11, 2013 Share Posted January 11, 2013 Do you think it's OK if I report his posts? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rams80 Posted January 11, 2013 Share Posted January 11, 2013 Iä! Shub-Niggurath! The Black Goat of the Woods with a Thousand Young! Quote On 8/1/2010 at 4:01 PM, winters in buffalo said: You manage to balance agitation with just enough salient points to keep things interesting. Kind of a low-rent DG_Now. On 1/2/2011 at 9:07 PM, Sodboy13 said: Today, we are all otaku. "The city of Peoria was once the site of the largest distillery in the world and later became the site for mass production of penicillin. So it is safe to assume that present-day Peorians are descended from syphilitic boozehounds."-Stephen Colbert POTD: February 15, 2010, June 20, 2010 The Glorious Bloom State Penguins (NCFAF) 2014: 2-9, 2015: 7-5 (L Pineapple Bowl), 2016: 1-0 (NCFAB) 2014-15: 10-8, 2015-16: 14-5 (SMC Champs, L 1st Round February Frenzy) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
max Posted January 11, 2013 Share Posted January 11, 2013 NCAA FBS teams in divisions with their closest geographical neighbors. 16 regional divisions of between 6-11 teams each. 10 games per season per team. 16-team tournament at the end of the year.(west - 8 divisions, 4 in Pacific/Mountain time zones, 4 in Central time zone)OregonOregon StateBoise StateWashington StateWashingtonIdahoStanfordSan Jose StateFresno StateCalNevadaHawaiiUtah StateBYUUtahWyomingAir ForceColorado StateColoradoArizona StateUSCUCLAArizonaSan Diego StateUTEPNew MexicoUNLVNew Mexico State(beginning of central time zone)Kansas StateOklahomaNebraskaOklahoma StateMissouriTulsaArkansasKansasTexas A&MTexasBaylorTCUTexas TechSMURiceHoustonUTSANorth TexasTexas StateLSULA-LafayetteLA-MonroeLouisiana TechTulaneSouth AlabamaSouthern MissVanderbiltMississippiMississippi StateArkansas StateMiddle Tennessee StateWestern KentuckyMemphis(east - 8 divisions)NorthwesternWisconsinNorthern IllinoisIowa StateMinnesotaIowaNotre DameMichiganMichigan StateToledoBowling GreenCentral MichiganWestern MichiganEastern MichiganLouisvilleCincinnatiBall StatePurdueIndianaKentuckyMiami OHIllinoisOhio StatePenn StateWest VirginiaKent StatePittsburghOhioMarshallAkronFloridaFlorida StateUCFMiami FLSouth FloridaFIUFAUNorth CarolinaVirginia TechNorth Carolina StateDukeEast CarolinaWake ForestAlabamaGeorgiaSouth CarolinaClemsonGeorgia TechTennesseeAuburnTroyUABSyracuseRutgersNavyConnecticutVirginiaTempleMarylandBoston CollegeBuffaloArmyMassachusettsFBS Playoffs Round 1OregonStanfordUtah StateArizona StateKansas StateTexas A&MLSUVanderbiltNorthwesternNotre DameLouisvilleOhio StateFloridaNorth CarolinaAlabamaSyracuseRound 2OregonUtah StateTexas A&MLSUNotre DameOhio StateFloridaAlabamaSemifinalsOregonTexas A&MNotre DameAlabamaChampionship GameOregonAlabama*Free. Developed. Can't post everything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoughRiders99 Posted January 11, 2013 Share Posted January 11, 2013 Do you think it's OK if I report his posts?Please do. Even though he's 'trying' to contribute to the thread, which I can see, but what he's posting is just completely full of non-sense and is basically killing this thread. I've always enjoyed reading through this thread to see some interesting and 'out-of-the-box-that-still-makes-sense' ideas here and there because that makes for a fun read. But this guy wouldn't just stop giving up and post confusing things. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
max Posted January 11, 2013 Share Posted January 11, 2013 Find your favorite college team within the post above, the closest geographical rival of your favorite team and the closest geographical rival of your favorite team's rival (and so on until two teams are closest to each other) are in the same division.*I am listening to a podcast and trying to explain how this works at the same time. Sorry for any confusion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McCall Posted January 11, 2013 Share Posted January 11, 2013 Seriously, your like a cross between Rainman and Cousin Eddie from "Christmas Vacation".Can we keep the spambots and get rid of him? At least we can understand what they're saying. Quote https://dribbble.com/MakaioCall Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ESTONES6 Posted January 11, 2013 Share Posted January 11, 2013 What's sad is that there are SOME divisions that actually make sense. I mean, its rare, but some you kind of look at and ok, OK, sure. But that's usually 1 out of 5 or 6 and the rest are just completely off the reservation.Although I like the Counsin Eddie comparison... I was thinking more of Cousin Eddie if he joined the Illuminati or the Free Masons. Quote SAINT IGNATIUS WILDCATS | CLEVELAND BROWNS | CLEVELAND CAVALIERS | CLEVELAND INDIANS | THE OHIO STATE BUCKEYES Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McCall Posted January 11, 2013 Share Posted January 11, 2013 How exactly does beating the team closest to you earn a playoff spot? Proximity means nothing in deciding who is in and who's out of the playoffs. You set up divisions. Who ever has the best record, that means WINS the most games, goes to the playoffs. He absolutely makes 0% sense. Quote https://dribbble.com/MakaioCall Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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