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The drive would be tolerable if it was rewarded with a great stadium experience - but the one trip I've made to the Trop was a flashback to Continental Airlines Arena circa 2003 when they pretty much left it in disrepair to justify building the Rock. 

 

I'm in Fort Myers, I have the choice of a 2.5 hour drive to the Trop, or 2.5 hour drive to Marlins Park. The trip over to Miami is a bit easier - pretty much a straight shot down on 75 and there are no bridges to contend with. However, the main deciding factor for me is that Marlins Park is honestly the nicest stadium I have ever been to. 

 

If the Marlins could just but a consistently competent team together and win back the fans, they already have the great stadium experience in place. 

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[checks date of story]

 

This story didn't come out on April 1st? They're actually serious?! This has to be, without a doubt, the absolute dumbest idea I've ever heard. And they expect both cities to give them new stadiums they'll use for half the season?! Someone needs to give the Rays owner a mental health test for the sake of MLB.

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Why don't they just move straight to Montreal instead of this... hare brained scheme?

 

Think about it. Montreal would have, at most, 9 years to build a new stadium (Being that the Rays are locked into the lease for Tropicana Field until 2027). Once the stadium is built, then the Rays can move to Montreal and there's no need for realignment.

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1 hour ago, Red Comet said:

[checks date of story]

 

This story didn't come out on April 1st? They're actually serious?! This has to be, without a doubt, the absolute dumbest idea I've ever heard. And they expect both cities to give them new stadiums they'll use for half the season?! Someone needs to give the Rays owner a mental health test for the sake of MLB.

Manfred spoke openly about it in the last 48 hours. He deserves an Oscar, Emmy and Tony nomination for his performance, along being charged with Extortion too.

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9 minutes ago, dfwabel said:

Manfred spoke openly about it in the last 48 hours. He deserves an Oscar, Emmy and Tony nomination for his performance, along being charged with Extortion too.

 

When you have to get creative with your extortion attempts, it seems that it's time to fess up to either the failure of the market or the organization's true intentions to either leave or demand a taxpayer-funded white elephant. 

 

That's another thing about any talk of a new stadium in the Tampa Bay Area. It isn't a sure-fire guarantee that the team will see any long-term attendance boost, especially if fans are peeved about being scammed for a ridiculous amount of taxpayer money. 

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22 hours ago, Ice_Cap said:

Anyway my first thought upon hearing this Montreal/Tampa news (well second thought, my first thought was laughter) was “negotiating tactic.” 

Mine was "is this the OITGDNHL thread because this sounds like something they'd do."

 

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They're moving to Montreal, but they can't move with that lease right now so they have to float this idea in the interim. Plus, they want to make sure Montreal can get them a new ballpark and this gives MTL time to build it for them, and then they'll be gone for good in 2029 or earlier if they can negotiate out of that iron clad lease they've got down there. St. Pete is hilarious, they're sticking to it really hard without realizing or caring much about the fact that the team will surely be gone by the time that lease ends. Not that I blame them for not budging on building a new ballpark. 

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The fact that they're talking about this as a permanent solution is what's so baffling.  As has been pointed out a million times, solving the problem of not being able to build a stadium by trying to build two stadiums is ludacris.  It's one thing to use this as a trial to see if MTL wants a team, with the intention of trying to have a ballpark built (or close) by 2028, but... yeah.

 

Is Olympic Stadium playable right now if they had to?  I was there a couple of years ago but only walking around.

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This roving team idea has not been out of the question in the history of Tampa Bay baseball. One of my favorite parts in Stadium for Rent (again, READ THIS BOOK if you're a baseball fan and want an explanation as to why the Rays exist and are currently in this mess) was Andelmann going over the various expansion groups. Here's one of them, from future Tampa Bay Buccaneers executive Joel Glazer.

 

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AMERICA’S TEAM: Florida businessman Joel Glazer, 23, applied for a franchise that would play 20 home games in each of four cities—choosing from Tampa Bay, South Florida, Denver, Buffalo and Washington, D.C. “This is an idea for the 1990s,” Glazer told the Denver Post. “It’s the future of baseball” (Andelmann 188).

 

This was laughed out of the room, most likely. I guess Stu got the idea from him, but Stu didn't realize that this plan required no new construction. 

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Didn't we almost have something like this with the Raiders for 2019?

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11 minutes ago, BringBackTheVet said:

Is Olympic Stadium playable right now if they had to?

 

The Blue Jays play a couple of games there every year at the end of spring training.

 

 

 

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Anyone ever seen this? Opening Night at the Florida Suncoast Dome in 1990.

 

 

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So the target year for this is 2023? Coincidentally, a couple weeks back, Russell Wilson seemed confident that Portland could have a team as early as 2023. He probably already received word of this plan with the Rays. The time frame and whether they get an expansion team or existing team depended on the stadium situations in Tampa Bay and Oakland.

 

 

 

 

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5 hours ago, SFGiants58 said:

One of my favorite parts in Stadium for Rent (again, READ THIS BOOK if you're a baseball fan and want an explanation as to why the Rays exist and are currently in this mess)...

 

I have taken your suggestion, and am reading the book.

 

I have finished the first chapter, about the White Sox' possible move to St. Petersburg for 1989. I am impressed that, even though the St. Petersburg negotiators were disappointed that the Illinois legislature came through at the last possible moment with a deal that kept the White Sox in Chicago, they were nevertheless very upbeat about the experience.  City manager Rick Dodge and city council member Bob Stewart were positively effusive about how the whole process helped the region by putting Tampa Bay at the forefront of Major League Baseball's perception, an assessment that was endorsed by Peter Bavasi.

 

Also notable was the lack of any ill will towards Sox owners Jerry Reinsdorf and Eddie Einhorn, who had been upfront with St. Pete in their negotiations. The White Sox' owners had said all along that they would move the club there if they couldn't get a publicly-financed park in Chicago. So, when they got legislative approval for that new park late at night on the legislature's final day in session (and as a result of considerable arm-twisting by the governor), the St. Pete negotiators did not feel betrayed. They came away excited for the future.

 

Likewise, I am excited about my immediate future, which involves reading the rest of this book. Thank you for the suggestion.

 

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Let's say the Oakland ballpark doesn't happen and we get the Portland A's & Montreal Expos (Rays). Expansion to 32 (if it happens) could come down to these candidates: 

 

Nashville

Charlotte

Raleigh

Las Vegas

 

 

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13 minutes ago, Wings said:

Let's say the Oakland ballpark doesn't happen and we get the Portland A's & Montreal Expos (Rays). Expansion to 32 (if it happens) could come down to these candidates: 

 

Nashville

Charlotte

Raleigh

Las Vegas

 

 

 

Las Vegas again?  They already have NHL and NFL.  Now they want MLS and MLB?  Is Las Vegas sustainable enough to hold 5 pro sports teams if the NBA goes there?

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Just now, GDAWG said:

 

Las Vegas again?  They already have NHL and NFL.  Now they want MLS and MLB?  Is Las Vegas sustainable enough to hold 5 pro sports teams if the NBA goes there?

 

They could be a candidate but if MLB gets Portland & Montreal through relocation I can see expansion being tabled if there aren't any viable candidates. 

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2 minutes ago, Wings said:

 

They could be a candidate but if MLB gets Portland & Montreal through relocation I can see expansion being tabled if there aren't any viable candidates. 

 

Rob Manfred has hinted at teams South of the Border.  I don't see that as a wise idea right now. 

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27 minutes ago, Wings said:

Let's say the Oakland ballpark doesn't happen and we get the Portland A's & Montreal Expos (Rays). Expansion to 32 (if it happens) could come down to these candidates: 

 

Nashville

Charlotte

Raleigh

Las Vegas

 

 

 

I do think that MLB will expand to 32 before the NBA does.  I think that the NBA is taking a "wait and see" approach in regards to Seattle. 

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I don’t see expansion happening if both Portland and Montreal gain via expansion. Going into smaller markets wouldn’t be feasible unless there is a monumental shift in MLB economics to bolster them. 

 

Moving into Mexico, Puerto Rico, and even Cuba might be on MLB’s 2040 expansion plans due to the current problems in each region. 

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