spartacat_12 Posted March 13, 2023 Share Posted March 13, 2023 On 3/10/2023 at 10:52 PM, FiddySicks said: Imagine leaving a market like the Bay Area to play third (probably soon to be fourth once the NBA expands) fiddle in a desert wasteland filled with transients and no water. Good :censored:in luck, you clowns. To be fair, the A's are already the fourth fiddle in the Bay Area. At least in Vegas they'd have a proper stadium. And the rush of pro teams popping up in Nevada isn't exactly unprecedented. Los Angeles got the Dodgers, Angels, Lakers, and Kings in a span of less than 10 years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Digby Posted March 13, 2023 Share Posted March 13, 2023 I think we have enough years under the belt with both Tampa Bay and Miami at this point to conclude that maybe Florida just isn’t a good MLB market. I know both teams have not done themselves any favors but…you’d think if there was some latent pent-up demand for being a strong MLB market we’d have seen a glimmer of hope by now. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestCoastBias Posted March 13, 2023 Share Posted March 13, 2023 2 hours ago, spartacat_12 said: To be fair, the A's are already the fourth fiddle in the Bay Area. At least in Vegas they'd have a proper stadium. And the rush of pro teams popping up in Nevada isn't exactly unprecedented. Los Angeles got the Dodgers, Angels, Lakers, and Kings in a span of less than 10 years. Except that in 1960 Los Angeles was the third most populated city in the country with about 2.5 million people and that's not counting the rest of metro area. The Las Vegas metro area is currently the 29th biggest in the country with 2.2 million people, which is less than just the City of Los Angeles had in 1960. Meanwhile the nine counties of the San Francisco Bay Area have about 7.8 million people, good for 4th or 5th largest in the country if it was counted as one metro area. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DG_YouKnowWhatThatMeans Posted March 13, 2023 Share Posted March 13, 2023 7 minutes ago, Digby said: I think we have enough years under the belt with both Tampa Bay and Miami at this point to conclude that maybe Florida just isn’t a good MLB market. I know both teams have not done themselves any favors but…you’d think if there was some latent pent-up demand for being a strong MLB market we’d have seen a glimmer of hope by now. This is where I'm at. World Series runs for both teams. A new stadium for one of them. New branding for both. If it's not working, it's not working. 3 1 Quote 1 hour ago, ShutUpLutz! said: and the drunken doodoobags jumping off the tops of SUV's/vans/RV's onto tables because, oh yeah, they are drunken drug abusing doodoobags Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ferdinand Cesarano Posted March 13, 2023 Share Posted March 13, 2023 26 minutes ago, DG_ThenNowForever said: 39 minutes ago, Digby said: I think we have enough years under the belt with both Tampa Bay and Miami at this point to conclude that maybe Florida just isn’t a good MLB market. This is where I'm at. World Series runs for both teams. A new stadium for one of them. New branding for both. If it's not working, it's not working. Right. Few things in life have been proven more conclusively than the notion that Florida is for spring training only. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBTV Posted March 14, 2023 Share Posted March 14, 2023 5 hours ago, Ferdinand Cesarano said: Right. Few things in life have been proven more conclusively than the notion that Florida is for spring training only. I don't really blame the fans too much. If I'm in Miami, there's plenty of things I'm doing besides sitting in a lifeless domed park watching mediocre-at-best baseball. I don't know the Tampa area too well, but I assume there's also plenty of awesome distractions. Even here the shore season decimates summer attendance (with the exception of the 4-year sellout streak, but there's still there's the population and traveling road fans to support it, and I know that's not a unique situation.) SoCal is a little different, because you have perfect baseball weather all the time, so it doesn't necessarily feel like you're depriving yourself by going to a game. But Florida? Nah. 1 Quote "The views expressed here are mine and do not reflect the official opinion of my employer or the organization through which the Internet was accessed." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GDAWG Posted March 14, 2023 Share Posted March 14, 2023 Speaking of Florida, Raymond James Stadium in Tampa is probably going back to being about 60% empty now that TB12 has retired (for now). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Digby Posted March 14, 2023 Share Posted March 14, 2023 19 hours ago, WestCoastBias said: Except that in 1960 Los Angeles was the third most populated city in the country with about 2.5 million people and that's not counting the rest of metro area. The Las Vegas metro area is currently the 29th biggest in the country with 2.2 million people, which is less than just the City of Los Angeles had in 1960. Meanwhile the nine counties of the San Francisco Bay Area have about 7.8 million people, good for 4th or 5th largest in the country if it was counted as one metro area. We were also delightfully and blissfully starry-eyed about westward expansion when teams moved to LA, whereas anyone paying attention now can see the Vegas population boom as unsustainable and that this all will be a weird bubble when looked back upon in 100 years. Will at least be interesting engineering as each new, redundant giant venue in Vegas comes up with new technology in water recycling. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ferdinand Cesarano Posted March 14, 2023 Share Posted March 14, 2023 14 hours ago, BBTV said: If I'm in Miami, there's plenty of things I'm doing besides sitting in a lifeless domed park watching mediocre-at-best baseball. I don't know the Tampa area too well, but I assume there's also plenty of awesome distractions. Well, every city has plenty of entertainment options. Indeed, that's the nature of a city. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sport Posted March 14, 2023 Share Posted March 14, 2023 Miami has more to do, though. It’s also a weird shape. Most big cities are round. Miami is a straight line. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FiddySicks Posted March 14, 2023 Share Posted March 14, 2023 1 hour ago, Digby said: We were also delightfully and blissfully starry-eyed about westward expansion when teams moved to LA, whereas anyone paying attention now can see the Vegas population boom as unsustainable and that this all will be a weird bubble when looked back upon in 100 years. Will at least be interesting engineering as each new, redundant giant venue in Vegas comes up with new technology in water recycling. Bingo. 100% this. 2 Quote On 11/19/2012 at 7:23 PM, oldschoolvikings said: She’s still half convinced “Chris Creamer” is a porn site.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBGKon Posted March 14, 2023 Share Posted March 14, 2023 53 minutes ago, Sport said: Miami has more to do, though. It’s also a weird shape. Most big cities are round. Miami is a straight line. Much like the Rays in St Petersburg, and to an effect Tampa. Much of the surrounding area is water Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Admiral Posted March 14, 2023 Share Posted March 14, 2023 58 minutes ago, Sport said: Miami has more to do, though. It’s also a weird shape. Most big cities are round. Miami is a straight line. Driving even just from like Boca Raton to Ft. Lauderdale on 95, about halfway through you're just like "man, this sucks." 2 Quote ♫ oh yeah, board goes on, long after the thrill of postin' is gone ♫ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBTV Posted March 14, 2023 Share Posted March 14, 2023 1 hour ago, Ferdinand Cesarano said: Well, every city has plenty of entertainment options. Indeeed, that's the nature of a city. Many cities don’t have great - or at least warm - weather year round with beach activities available every day. im willing to be that the entertainment activities available in Miami or Tampa in March are a little more than what’s available in Kansas City or Minneapolis or Philadelphia or… etc. 5 Quote "The views expressed here are mine and do not reflect the official opinion of my employer or the organization through which the Internet was accessed." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ferdinand Cesarano Posted March 14, 2023 Share Posted March 14, 2023 6 minutes ago, BBTV said: 1 hour ago, Ferdinand Cesarano said: Well, every city has plenty of entertainment options. Indeed, that's the nature of a city. Many cities don’t have great - or at least warm - weather year round with beach activities available every day. im willing to be that the entertainment activities available in Miami or Tampa in March are a little more than what’s available in Kansas City or Minneapolis or Philadelphia or… etc. It's true that not every city has the beaches that Florida cities can boast. But if you look at the full breadth of things to do instead of going to sporting event, a list which includes restaurants, live music, theatre, museums, etc., I think that you'll find that every place that we think of as a city will have an enormous variety. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBTV Posted March 14, 2023 Share Posted March 14, 2023 33 minutes ago, Ferdinand Cesarano said: It's true that not every city has the beaches that Florida cities can boast. But if you look at the full breadth of things to do instead of going to sporting event, a list which includes restaurants, live music, theatre, museums, etc., I think that you'll find that every place that we think of as a city will have an enormous variety. but I’m not going to sit inside a soulless warehouse when there’s a million things to do outside in light. That’s more my point - that they need these depressing facilities that feel (at least as an outside observer) like a place I wouldt be able to wait to get out of. Seems like the kind of atmosphere that people move to Florida to get away from. Quote "The views expressed here are mine and do not reflect the official opinion of my employer or the organization through which the Internet was accessed." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sport Posted March 14, 2023 Share Posted March 14, 2023 Marlins Park feels like you're watching baseball played inside an airport, which was even more true when they had the giant airport looking sculpture. I think they totally whiffed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Admiral Posted March 14, 2023 Share Posted March 14, 2023 They got about halfway through making the entire ballpark an unprecedented stadium-as-modern-art-installation, got bored or distracted, and finished it by just redoing Miller Park. It's truly a testament to the organization's commitment to giving up on itself. 4 4 Quote ♫ oh yeah, board goes on, long after the thrill of postin' is gone ♫ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCarp1231 Posted March 14, 2023 Share Posted March 14, 2023 Occasionally, the failed Tampa-Montreal Rays situation pops into my head 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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