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27 minutes ago, the admiral said:

They'll play in Summerlin after this year at this point.

I mean they have several options.

 

- move all games to Summerlin until new ballpark is ready

- move all or some games to San Francisco (I doubt the Giants would allow it)

- renew the Coliseum Visitors television booth opossums backyard contract and continue to play some or games until new ballpark in Las Vegas is ready.

-Play games at the minor league or spring training ballparks.

- Play in a cow field in Peculiar Missouri.

-Send the team back to Kansas City or Philadelphia.

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They're not going to be able to do a Raiders play-out-the-string deal. These are two very different fanbases. They can't do three lame-duck years. One at the absolute most.

 

Remember that one week in 2012 where the Sacramento Kings were kicking the tires on a move to Virginia Beach despite no arena nor shovels in the ground for one, and the tentative plan was just to hang out until it was ready? It would have been an unmitigated disaster. Now we're going to see that.

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If they get out of Oakland before the Vegas stadium is read, where would they play? I would not think it would be in an outdoor minor-league ballpark in the desert.

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16 minutes ago, OnWis97 said:

If they get out of Oakland before the Vegas stadium is read, where would they play? I would not think it would be in an outdoor minor-league ballpark in the desert.

 

We're gonna see another Memphis Oilers situation, aren't we?

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4 hours ago, Dilbert said:

I mean when sports betting became legal in Ohio on January 1 this year, Pete made the first bet at Hard Rock Casino Cincinnati. To no surprise, he bet on the Reds winning the World Series this year. At this point his ban is pretty pointless.

 

If you heard the way he addressed a female reporter at the Phillies game last year and then how he behaved when they dropped the ball and allowed him into the broadcast booth, you'd realize that there's a very good reason for his ban.  Gambling on his own team isn't even the worst thing he's done.

 

And when I was a little kid, Pete Rose was my favorite non-Phillie.  The fact that he was a player/manager blew my little mind, and all I ever wanted to do was see him live, but alas my dad wouldn't take me to a game.

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One, Las Vegas Ballpark is a top of the line, beautiful AAA level park. It's honestly to MLB standards in quality it's just small and lacks the numbers of things people want in an MLB stadium. Fewer seats, fewer boxes/clubs/etc. But quality wise it works.

 

Got to see a game there back in 2019.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

It's not unreal. Arizona Coyotes are playing in a 4500 seat venue. Chargers played a year at whatever they called the StubHub Center that year.

 

The other thing is that the Aviators are the A's affiliate. They could 'swap'... Put the A's in Las Vegas Ballpark and send their AAA team to Oakland until they vacate the LV Ballpark for this new venue. You could even still call them the Oakland A's. Then bring them back or leave them depending how well they do. LV Ballpark could be a A or AA venue (quite large) but to avoid going up against the MLB team now in town.

 

But staying in Oakland will not work. Attendance cratered already with the chance they'd find a new home in Oakland. This isn't the regionalized Raiders fan base that tolerated it somewhat. Plus NFL has ridiculously high standards for their home venues now. They were not playing at Sam Boyd or anywhere else.

 

 

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30 minutes ago, Sykotyk said:

It's not unreal. Arizona Coyotes are playing in a 4500 seat venue. Chargers played a year at whatever they called the StubHub Center that year.

Three years! (Which makes me think maybe their standards aren't so stringent after all.)

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16 hours ago, WestCoastBias said:

Portland A's would have been better than the Las Vegas A's

 

just about any of the other options would've been better than Vegas. it's really amazing how hard I've soured on that city over the past five or six years between the standard Sunbelt "People" populace, horrific urban planning, realization that sports betting is genuine pure evil, what the Knights' fanbase has become, and the fact that Fallout: New Vegas was a more accurate prediction of what it'd be like in 50 years than 250.

 

honestly? if I could've picked anywhere for them to move? it'd be Sacramento. hell, you move there and you can basically keep the same fanbase you've already built up.

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3 hours ago, JerseyJimmy said:

 

just about any of the other options would've been better than Vegas. it's really amazing how hard I've soured on that city over the past five or six years between the standard Sunbelt "People" populace, horrific urban planning, realization that sports betting is genuine pure evil, what the Knights' fanbase has become, and the fact that Fallout: New Vegas was a more accurate prediction of what it'd be like in 50 years than 250.

 

honestly? if I could've picked anywhere for them to move? it'd be Sacramento. hell, you move there and you can basically keep the same fanbase you've already built up.

 

Sacramento would have been a great move.

 

The A's were the Sacramento River Cats' major league affiliate for their first 15 years of existence, the fan base was probably already there if they wanted to move. But then the A's moved affiliates to Nashville (and now Las Vegas) and let the Giants (who were in Fresno the previous 17 years) take over the River Cats.

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10 minutes ago, tigerslionspistonshabs said:

Pardon my ignorance, but is this basically a done deal? Like no chance of them staying in Oakland?

 

I saw on a Casey Pratt report on the news that it is dependent on legislation in Nevada that hasn't been passed yet.  But the passage of that legislation is likely.  Pratt puts the chances of the move happening at 95%.

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4 minutes ago, Ferdinand Cesarano said:

 

I saw on a Casey Pratt report on the news that it is dependent on legislation in Nevada that hasn't been passed yet.  But the passage of that legislation is likely.  Pratt puts the chances of the move happening at 95%.

 

And the owners could vote no on allowing the relocation but that won't happen.

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13 hours ago, Sykotyk said:

One, Las Vegas Ballpark is a top of the line, beautiful AAA level park. It's honestly to MLB standards in quality it's just small and lacks the numbers of things people want in an MLB stadium. Fewer seats, fewer boxes/clubs/etc. But quality wise it works.

 

Got to see a game there back in 2019.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

It's not unreal. Arizona Coyotes are playing in a 4500 seat venue. Chargers played a year at whatever they called the StubHub Center that year.

 

The other thing is that the Aviators are the A's affiliate. They could 'swap'... Put the A's in Las Vegas Ballpark and send their AAA team to Oakland until they vacate the LV Ballpark for this new venue. You could even still call them the Oakland A's. Then bring them back or leave them depending how well they do. LV Ballpark could be a A or AA venue (quite large) but to avoid going up against the MLB team now in town.

 

But staying in Oakland will not work. Attendance cratered already with the chance they'd find a new home in Oakland. This isn't the regionalized Raiders fan base that tolerated it somewhat. Plus NFL has ridiculously high standards for their home venues now. They were not playing at Sam Boyd or anywhere else.

 

 

 

The only thing I could see being an issue would be duel use of Las Vegas Ballpark by the A's and Aviators and it's not like they can do doubleheaders with day games because of the heat. I wonder if the Aviators move back to Cashman Field for a couple years or move to Fresno, Tucson or similar underserved market temporarily until the A's move out?

 

Additionally, the LV Ballpark has a 10,000 capacity. I feel like you'd need add at least 5,000-10,000 for temporary use, but I'm not sure if that's possible with the park's footprint? 

 

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But, maybe all that speculation is a moot point with this quote ...

 

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“We have an agreement with the Aviators with Don [Logan] and Howard Hughes [Corporation] to play at their stadium temporarily,” he said. “We’re really deferring to Major League Baseball to kind of help us make that decision.” (source)

 

10,000 seats might be enough? I mean it definitely is for the team at the moment.

 

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7 minutes ago, Ferdinand Cesarano said:

Pratt puts the chances of the move happening at 95%.

 

Can we place bets on that?

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I figured they'd avoid the current LV minor league park because of the heat.  Perhaps they'll be playing almost no day games after during the hottest times of the year. (June-Aug???)

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6 hours ago, JerseyJimmy said:

 

just about any of the other options would've been better than Vegas. it's really amazing how hard I've soured on that city over the past five or six years between the standard Sunbelt "People" populace, horrific urban planning, realization that sports betting is genuine pure evil, what the Knights' fanbase has become, and the fact that Fallout: New Vegas was a more accurate prediction of what it'd be like in 50 years than 250.

 

And not only is Vegas getting the A's but everyone seems content with the Aviators remaining there as well.

 

The area is home to only 2.5 million people, they have NHL, NFL, WNBA, and now MLB. In what world do they need a Triple-A team?? The Aviators play 20 minutes (11 miles) from the property the A's just purchased, I mean c'mon it's just unnecessary.

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