Sodboy13 Posted February 21 Share Posted February 21 *rocks on porch* Oh, been a fair bit since we had a Poster To Watch 'round these parts. 2 2 1 Quote On 1/25/2013 at 1:53 PM, 'Atom said: For all the bird de lis haters I think the bird de lis isnt supposed to be a pelican and a fleur de lis I think its just a fleur de lis with a pelicans head. Thats what it looks like to me. Also the flair around the tip of the beak is just flair that fleur de lis have sometimes source I am from NOLA. PotD: 10/19/07, 08/25/08, 07/22/10, 08/13/10, 04/15/11, 05/19/11, 01/02/12, and 01/05/12. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sodboy13 Posted February 21 Share Posted February 21 1 hour ago, The_Admiral said: I've given Reinsdorf credit for knowing how to work the government better than the McCaskeys--the bar is the floor on that one--but JB Pritzker and his quiet-but-not-that-quiet presidential aspirations may make him a worthier adversary than Madigan or Big Gay Jim or whoever else Jerry could buy off. So much has changed since Jerry's big heist, too, including his paying his own way for half of the United Center. Big Jim's raking it in for one of America's most prestigious and vile law firms, Mike Madigan's on the slow train to prison, Biggest Sox Fan Richie Daley should be on the ride with him but has opted to cede all of his family's power and influence instead of face the slammer, and if you asked Brandon Johnson who his favorite baseball team was, it's entirely possible he'd stare at you mouth agape for three minutes before blurting "PACKERS!" and running out of the room. That, and we've all had enough object lessons in the true economic benefits of publicly financed sports stadiums that when someone starts with the purple prose and magical number, anyone who's been paying attention knows that person is either getting their cut or is an impossibly dense mark. 4 2 Quote On 1/25/2013 at 1:53 PM, 'Atom said: For all the bird de lis haters I think the bird de lis isnt supposed to be a pelican and a fleur de lis I think its just a fleur de lis with a pelicans head. Thats what it looks like to me. Also the flair around the tip of the beak is just flair that fleur de lis have sometimes source I am from NOLA. PotD: 10/19/07, 08/25/08, 07/22/10, 08/13/10, 04/15/11, 05/19/11, 01/02/12, and 01/05/12. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sodboy13 Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 Jerry Reinsdorf would apparently now like to talk about that, as he sat for an hour with Greg Hinz, who currently has one foot out the door from Crain's Chicago Business. Some of the comedic highlights: * It is much more important for him to build a winning team in Chicago than to make money. * He expects the entire cost of the stadium - $2 billion - to be paid for with the hotel tax, bonds and the TIF district scheme. In other words, not a penny out of his pocket. * If the deal doesn't get approved really soon and he dies, his family will sell Jerry's stake to the other White Sox owners. And while Jerry, dear sweet Jerry, would never move this franchise out of Chicago, well, there no telling what all those other owners would do, but he has an inkling! * What happens to Comiskey, that stadium the state still owes money on 33 years later, when the Sox move? I dunno, rip off the upper deck and make the Fire move there or something. Not his ballpark, not his problem. https://archive.is/20240221225356/https://www.chicagobusiness.com/sports/chicago-white-sox-need-new-stadium-compete-stay-city-jerry-reinsdorf 1 1 Quote On 1/25/2013 at 1:53 PM, 'Atom said: For all the bird de lis haters I think the bird de lis isnt supposed to be a pelican and a fleur de lis I think its just a fleur de lis with a pelicans head. Thats what it looks like to me. Also the flair around the tip of the beak is just flair that fleur de lis have sometimes source I am from NOLA. PotD: 10/19/07, 08/25/08, 07/22/10, 08/13/10, 04/15/11, 05/19/11, 01/02/12, and 01/05/12. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Admiral Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 I think back to when he and Einhorn first bought the team in the '80s and looked on in abject horror at Andy the Clown and shirtless Harry in the bleachers and cheap seats and cheap beer and all the general weirdness of the Sox back then and immediately went about getting rid of all of it. This is a guy who for 40 years has hated the fans of his team. I wouldn't be scared of his partners buying him out because to move the team to Nashville would be the one final screw-you only Jerry could give. Quote ♫ oh yeah, board goes on, long after the thrill of postin' is gone ♫ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walk-Off Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 6 hours ago, Sodboy13 said: Jerry Reinsdorf would apparently now like to talk about that, as he sat for an hour with Greg Hinz, who currently has one foot out the door from Crain's Chicago Business. Some of the comedic highlights: * It is much more important for him to build a winning team in Chicago than to make money. * He expects the entire cost of the stadium - $2 billion - to be paid for with the hotel tax, bonds and the TIF district scheme. In other words, not a penny out of his pocket. * If the deal doesn't get approved really soon and he dies, his family will sell Jerry's stake to the other White Sox owners. And while Jerry, dear sweet Jerry, would never move this franchise out of Chicago, well, there no telling what all those other owners would do, but he has an inkling! * What happens to Comiskey, that stadium the state still owes money on 33 years later, when the Sox move? I dunno, rip off the upper deck and make the Fire move there or something. Not his ballpark, not his problem. https://archive.is/20240221225356/https://www.chicagobusiness.com/sports/chicago-white-sox-need-new-stadium-compete-stay-city-jerry-reinsdorf As sarcastic as this whole take seems to be, and as much of a slow-pitch softball as that interview is, at least the full article brings up Reinsdorf's threat to move the White Sox to the Tampa Bay area in the latter half of the 1980s and the resulting extraction of Illinois state tax money to keep the Pale Hose in Chicago via their current ballpark. Meanwhile, conspicuously absent from that whole interview and article is any mention of Reinsdorf's meeting with the mayor of Nashville two months ago, a detail that seems to undermine any notion that Reinsdorf is somehow more loyal to the Chicago area than are any and all of his co-investors in the Chisox. Finally, as much of a "stan" for a Nashville MLB team as I am, the difference in size between the Chicago and Nashville markets is such that I beg to differ with Reinsdorf's insinuation that a Nashville White Sox team would be worth more than that franchise has been as the Windy City's "junior" MLB club. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Admiral Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 Aren't all the other Sox owners a bunch of octogenarian Jews from the Old Neighborhood? They're not gonna kill their team. Quote ♫ oh yeah, board goes on, long after the thrill of postin' is gone ♫ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luigi74 Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 1 hour ago, The_Admiral said: Aren't all the other Sox owners a bunch of octogenarian Jews from the Old Neighborhood? They're not gonna kill their team. They're not moving anywhere, this is just blackmail to get someone else to pay for the stadium. Plus the other owners would rather get expansion fee money from Nashville instead of relocation fee money from the Sox owners. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sodboy13 Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 I think the valid concern is that the only people dumb enough to still bite on this are also the ones with the authority to hand over my money for it. 1 Quote On 1/25/2013 at 1:53 PM, 'Atom said: For all the bird de lis haters I think the bird de lis isnt supposed to be a pelican and a fleur de lis I think its just a fleur de lis with a pelicans head. Thats what it looks like to me. Also the flair around the tip of the beak is just flair that fleur de lis have sometimes source I am from NOLA. PotD: 10/19/07, 08/25/08, 07/22/10, 08/13/10, 04/15/11, 05/19/11, 01/02/12, and 01/05/12. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Admiral Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 I don't know, I just don't see the support at the city or state level for giving Jerry everything he wants. I can't imagine Brandon Johnson speaking in favor of this plan, but then he's drowning so badly already that he may grab onto any life preserver he can. Quote ♫ oh yeah, board goes on, long after the thrill of postin' is gone ♫ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sodboy13 Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 Johnson tepidly expressing support yesterday gives me hope, in that anything he puts his weight behind seems to burst into flames in short order. I know all the local politics geniuses think the CTU has him in their pocket, but I am convinced he'll end up causing a longer teachers' strike than Rahm or Lori did, possibly by accident. Quote On 1/25/2013 at 1:53 PM, 'Atom said: For all the bird de lis haters I think the bird de lis isnt supposed to be a pelican and a fleur de lis I think its just a fleur de lis with a pelicans head. Thats what it looks like to me. Also the flair around the tip of the beak is just flair that fleur de lis have sometimes source I am from NOLA. PotD: 10/19/07, 08/25/08, 07/22/10, 08/13/10, 04/15/11, 05/19/11, 01/02/12, and 01/05/12. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sodboy13 Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 Jerry Reinsdorf is using a shell company headed by two guys in the White Sox front office to overpay for empty lots around United Center. The big payouts are going to a family with long connections to the Daleys and a former associate of Tony Rezko, who had to do some solid Chicago Way prison time for his business practices. So yes, Jerry has the money to spare for whatever his grand vision is, and he's still playing things like it's the 1990s. Also, we get treated to an attorney named "Rodney Slutzky." https://chicago.suntimes.com/the-watchdogs/2024/02/22/jerry-reinsdorf-united-center-parking-lots-purchasing-white-sox-south-loop-ballpark?utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=022324 Morning Edition&utm_content=022324 Morning Edition+CID_13071de3eb983469654777515a3ee070&utm_source=cst_campaign_monitor&utm_term=Why is Jerry Reinsdorf spending millions buying up parking lots around the United Center&tpcc=022324 Morning Edition 1 Quote On 1/25/2013 at 1:53 PM, 'Atom said: For all the bird de lis haters I think the bird de lis isnt supposed to be a pelican and a fleur de lis I think its just a fleur de lis with a pelicans head. Thats what it looks like to me. Also the flair around the tip of the beak is just flair that fleur de lis have sometimes source I am from NOLA. PotD: 10/19/07, 08/25/08, 07/22/10, 08/13/10, 04/15/11, 05/19/11, 01/02/12, and 01/05/12. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pmoehrin Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 What I find interesting about Jerry Reinsdorf trying to move to the Loop in a clear effort to get the White Sox out of stepchild status is that the whole dynamic with the Cubs being the clear-cut number-one baseball team in Chicago didn't start until Reinsdorf bought the team. All through the 50s and 60s, the White Sox outdrew the Cubs virtually every year, and even into the early/mid-80s, the teams were pretty much neck and neck with attendance figures. The last year the White Sox outdrew the Cubs at the gate was 1992, and it's not even close most years. The Cubs outdrew the White Sox by over a million fans yearly from 2014 to 2019. In 2017 and 2018, the difference was almost 1.6 million. And it's not like the Cubs have had fantastic ownership at this timespan, either. Just one World Series appearance and win. Same as the White Sox. That shows how much people dislike what Reisndorf has done with the franchise since taking from Bill Veeck before the '81 season for the paltry sum of $19 million, or about $65 million in today's money. Don't let anyone tell you money doesn't grow on trees. It absolutely does. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sec19Row53 Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 1 minute ago, pmoehrin said: What I find interesting about Jerry Reinsdorf trying to move to the loop in an apparent effort to get the White Sox out of stepchild status is that the whole dynamic with the Cubs being the clear-cut number-one baseball team in Chicago didn't start until Reinsdorf bought the team. All through the 50s and 60s, the White Sox outdrew the Cubs virtually every year, and even into the early/mid-80s, the teams were pretty much neck and neck with attendance figures. The last year the White Sox outdrew the Cubs at the gate was 1992, and it's not even close most years. The Cubs outdrew the White Sox by over a million fans yearly from 2014 to 2019. In 2017 and 2018, the difference was almost 1.6 million. And it's not like the Cubs have had fantastic ownership at this timespan, either. Just one World Series appearance and win. Same as the White Sox. That shows how much people dislike what Reisndorf has done with the franchise since taking from Bill Veeck before the '81 season for the paltry sum of $19 million, or about $65 million in today's money. Don't let anyone tell you money doesn't grow on trees. It absolutely does. I'll take it in a different direction -- it shows the pull created by being on WGN all over the country and creating the mystique that is Wrigley Field. 1 1 Quote It's where I sit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pmoehrin Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 2 minutes ago, Sec19Row53 said: I'll take it in a different direction -- it shows the pull created by being on WGN all over the country and creating the mystique that is Wrigley Field. The White Sox had a historic ballpark that Jerry couldn't tear down fast enough, and they also had a deal with WGN to carry all the games that Reisndorf couldn't get out of fast enough because he wanted his games to be exclusively on cable. The Cubs thought big; he thought small. That's always been the difference. 3 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sodboy13 Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 I can tell you from having read The $1 League and various things about the World Football League through the years that no one knew how to overpromise and outright lie about his ability to get sports owners TV revenue quite like Eddie Einhorn. Quote On 1/25/2013 at 1:53 PM, 'Atom said: For all the bird de lis haters I think the bird de lis isnt supposed to be a pelican and a fleur de lis I think its just a fleur de lis with a pelicans head. Thats what it looks like to me. Also the flair around the tip of the beak is just flair that fleur de lis have sometimes source I am from NOLA. PotD: 10/19/07, 08/25/08, 07/22/10, 08/13/10, 04/15/11, 05/19/11, 01/02/12, and 01/05/12. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
infrared41 Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 5 hours ago, Sec19Row53 said: I'll take it in a different direction -- it shows the pull created by being on WGN all over the country and creating the mystique that is Wrigley Field. Add in the fact that the Cubs and Wrigley were in 68% of the movies made in the 80s and here we are. 4 Quote All roads lead to Dollar General. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridleylash Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 It also helps the Cubs that they built an intense feel of mystique and notoriety over the years thanks to the Curse of the Billy Goat becoming so legendary, and the White Sox...really just kinda exist. They won a World Series before the Cubs and barely anybody but White Sox fans even remember that tidbit because of how much more iconic the Cubs and their win in 2016 are. New Comiskey doesn't even come anywhere close to the practical divine status of Wrigley or Old Comiskey, and they don't exactly have a lot of recent success to brag about; people born the last time the White Sox won a pennant are now legal adults, and all the franchise has won since is 2 division titles, one of which they won by proxy of being the only team in their division to not themselves. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walk-Off Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 South Side Sox: Satire: Sharks swimming with the White Sox What if Jerry Reinsdorf and a would-be business partner of his went on Shark Tank to try to get money for their proposal for The 78? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Rich Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 6 hours ago, Sec19Row53 said: I'll take it in a different direction -- it shows the pull created by being on WGN all over the country and creating the mystique that is Wrigley Field. THIS . Exactly. Quote It is what it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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