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On 8/17/2020 at 8:36 PM, tp49 said:

[Brooklyn] didn't become part of the City of New York until 1899...

 

1898.

 

 

On 8/17/2020 at 8:39 PM, the admiral said:

With the team moving to the Queens/Nassau border if we can ever start the country back up again, I would like for the Islanders to correct their logo so that it includes the entire physical island. I mocked it up once or twice but I'm too lazy to dig it out of my files and put it on imgur again...

 

This was done by @Discogod.

 

logo-islanders-with-bklyn-and-queens.jpg

 

To have the top of the first S framed so snugly by Jamaica Bay is genius.

 

 

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It's still a turd in a circle, mind you.

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8 hours ago, -kj said:

It's still a turd in a circle, mind you.


The stadium series alts had the right idea with the logo.

 

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Put it on the dynasty template, add a recolored Fisherman lighthouse to the sleeves, and you’re set.

 

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On 8/20/2020 at 6:16 AM, Ferdinand Cesarano said:

 

1898.

 

 

 

This was done by @Discogod.

 

logo-islanders-with-bklyn-and-queens.jpg

 

To have the top of the first S framed so snugly by Jamaica Bay is genius.

 

 

 

It's worth mentioning that this was done ahead of the Brooklyn move some years back and as such the tip of the "I" points to the location of Barclays Center, rather than Nassau Coliseum. 

 

But otherwise it's a simple mod that most people wouldn't even notice. 

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On 8/18/2020 at 10:28 PM, Sec19Row53 said:

I hadn't even thought about the time back when the games were actually played IN Milwaukee.  I believe that was at the Packers' discretion. Prior to Lambeau being renovated and suites being added for the first time, it was common for teams to request playing in Milwaukee. The gate wasn't significantly different, so teams would choose Milwaukee on the basis of a nightlife compared to not 🙂 I DO recall that the Packers did NOT want to have the Bears playing in Milwaukee, or rather, DID want them in Green Bay.


The Rams and Niners, but especially the Rams HATED going to Green Bay.  I did the math once and IIRC, 70% of Niners road games against the Packers were in Milwaukee. For the Rams, it was 85% and even included the 1967 playoff tilt between the two.

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Baltimore got the Bullets in the 40s, 10 years before the Orioles

ABL 1944-47

BAA 1947-49

NBA 1949-54

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11 hours ago, flasah said:

Baltimore got the Bullets in the 40s, 10 years before the Orioles

NBL 1944-47

BAA 1947-49

NBA 1949-54


Good catch. The fact that they went under in November 1954 gives them an 'overlap' with the Orioles, thus Baltimore has been a constant big league city since the 1940s.  I've adjusted the list accordingly.

 

Also in this third post in the topic, I described my feelings on the Milwaukee 'gap' that I was letting slide. After the post by NicDB in which he described the fact that the Packers were playing in Milwaukee in the pre-WWII years, I feel much better about the "gap" in Milwaukee between the Braves and Bucks as they STILL had the Packers playing IN TOWN during that phase.

 

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This would be a cool subject for one of those timelapse videos where stars appear and disappear from a map as cities gain/lose teams.  Maybe color code the indicators as teams gain multiple teams or lose one.  Someone go do that.  Now.  Thx.

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49 minutes ago, BBTV said:

This would be a cool subject for one of those timelapse videos where stars appear and disappear from a map as cities gain/lose teams.  Maybe color code the indicators as teams gain multiple teams or lose one.  Someone go do that.  Now.  Thx.

Seconded. Thx.

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Wanted to bump this up. I put together a list of major league teams. This list includes baseball (National League, American League, Players League, Union Association, American Association, Federal League), football (American Professional Football Association, National Football League, American Football League I, American Football League II, American Football League III, All America Football Conference, American Football League IV), soccer (United Soccer Association, National Professional Soccer League, North American Soccer League, Major League Soccer), Hockey (National Hockey Association, Pacific Coast Hockey Association, Western Canada Hockey League, Western Hockey League, National Hockey League, World Hockey Association) and basketball (Basketball Association of America, National Basketball Association, American Basketball Association).

 

 

MASSACHUSETTS

 

Boston Red Caps 1876-82 (NL)

Worcester Ruby Legs 1880-82 (NL)

Boston Beaneaters 1883-06 (NL)

Boston Reds 1884 (UA)

Boston Reds 1890 (PL)

Boston Reds 1891 (AA)

Boston Americans 1901-1907 (AL)

Boston Doves 1907-10 (NL)

Boston Red Sox 1908-pre (AL)

Boston Rustlers 1911 (NL)

Boston Braves 1912-35 (NL)

Boston Bees 1936-40 (NL)

Boston Braves 1941-52 (NL)

 

Boston Bulldogs 1926 (AFL)

Boston Bulldogs 1929 (NFL)

Boston Braves 1932 (NFL)

Boston (Washington Football Team) 1933-36 (NFL)

Boston Shamrocks 1936-37 (AFL)

Boston Bears 1940 (AFL)

Boston Yanks 1944 (NFL)

The Yanks (Boston merged with Brooklyn) 1945 (NFL)

Boston Yanks 1946-48 (NFL)

Boston Patriots 1960-69 (AFL)

Boston Patriots 1970 (NFL)

New England Patriots 1971 (NFL)

 

Boston Rovers 1967 (USA)

Boston Beacons 1968 (NASL)

Boston Minutemen 1974-76 (NASL)

New England Tea Men 1978-80 (NASL)

New England Revolution 1996-pre (MLS)

 

Boston Bruins 1924-pre (NHL)

New England (Boston) Whalers 1972-74 (WHA)

New England (Springfield) Whalers 1974-75 (WHA)

New England (Springfield) Whalers 1978-79 (WHA)

Hartford (Springfield) Whalers 1979-80 (NHL)

 

Boston Celtics 1946-49 (BAA)

Boston Celtics 1949-pre (NBA)

 

RHODE ISLAND

 

Providence Grays 1878-85 (NL)

 

Providence Steam Rollers 1925-31 (NFL)

 

Providence Steamrollers 1946-49 (BAA)

 

CONNECTICUT

 

Hartford Dark Blues 1876 (NL)

 

Hartford Blues 1926 (NFL)

New York (New Haven) Giants 1974-75 (NFL)

 

Hartford Bicentennials 1975-76 (NASL)

Connecticut (New Haven) Bicentennials 1977 (NASL)

 

New England (Hartford) Whalers 1975-78 (WHA)

Hartford Whalers 1980-97 (NHL)

 

Boston Celtics (Hartford part time) 1975-78 (NBA)

Boston Celtics (Hartford part time) 1980-95 (NBA)

 

NEW YORK

 

Mutual of New York 1876 (NL)

Brooklyn Hartfords 1877 (NL)

Buffalo Bisons 1879-85 (NL)

Syracuse Stars 1879 (NL)

Troy Trojans 1879-82 (NL)

New York Metropolitans 1883-87 (AA)

New York Gothams 1883-84 (NL)

Brooklyn Atlantics 1884 (AA)

Brooklyn Grays 1885-87 (AA)

New York Giants 1885-57 (NL)

Brooklyn Bridegrooms 1888-89 (AA)

Brooklyn Bridegrooms 1890 (NL)

Brooklyn Wards Wonders 1890 (PL)

Brooklyn Gladiators 1890 (AA)

New York Giants 1890 (PL)

Buffalo Bisons 1890 (PL)

Rochester Broncos 1890 (AA)

Syracuse Stars 1890 (AA)

Brooklyn Grooms 1891-95 (NL)

Brooklyn Bridegrooms 1896-98 (NL)

Brooklyn Superbas 1899-10 (NL)

New York Highlanders 1903-12 (AL)

Brooklyn Trolley Dodgers 1911-12 (NL)

Brooklyn Dodgers 1913 (NL)

New York Yankees 1913-pre (AL)

Brooklyn Robins 1914-31 (NL)

Brooklyn Tip-Tops 1914-15 (FL)

BufFeds (Buffalo) 1914 (FL)

Buffalo Blues 1915 (FL)

Brooklyn Dodgers 1932-57 (NL)

New York Mets 1962-pre (NL)

Toronto Blue Jays (Buffalo) 2020-pre (AL)

 

Rochester Jeffersons 1920-21 (APFA)

Buffalo All Americans 1920-21 (APFA)

New York Brickley Giants 1921 (APFA)

Tonawanda Kardex 1921 (APFA)

Rochester Jeffersons 1922-25 (NFL)

Buffalo All Americans 1922-23 (NFL)

Buffalo Bisons 1924-25 (NFL)

New York Giants 1925-73 (NFL)

Buffalo Rangers 1926 (NFL)

New York Yankees 1926 (AFL)

Brooklyn Horsemen 1926 (AFL)

Brooklyn Lions 1926 (NFL)

New York Yankees 1927-28 (NFL)

Buffalo Bisons 1927 (NFL)

Buffalo Bisons 1929 (NFL)

Staten Island Stapletons 1929-31 (NFL)

Brooklyn Dodgers 1930-43 (NFL)

Staten Island Stapes 1932 (NFL)

New York Yankees 1936-37 (AFL)

Syracuse/Rochester Braves 1936 (AFL)

Brooklyn/Rochester Tigers 1936 (AFL)

Rochester Tigers 1937 (AFL)

Buffalo Indians 1940 (AFL)

New York Yankees 1940 (AFL)

Buffalo Tigers 1941 (AFL)

New York Americans 1941 (AFL)

Brooklyn Tigers 1944 (NFL)

The Yanks (Brooklyn merged with Boston) 1945 (NFL)

Buffalo Bisons 1946 (AAFC)

New York Yankees 1946-48 (AAFC)

Buffalo Bills 1947-49 (AAFC)

Brooklyn-New York Yankees 1949 (AAFC)

New York Bulldogs 1949 (NFL)

New York Yanks 1950-51 (NFL)

New York Titans 1960-62 (AFL)

Buffalo Bills 1960-69 (AFL)

New York Jets 1963-69 (AFL)

Buffalo Bills 1970-pre (NFL)

New York Jets 1970-83 (NFL)

New York Giants 1975 (NFL)

 

New York Skyliners 1967(USA)

New York Generals 1967 (NPSL)

New York Generals 1968 (NASL)

Rochester Lancers 1970-80 (NASL)

New York Cosmos 1971-76 (NASL)

New York City FC 2015-pre (MLS)

 

New York Americans 1925-41 (NHL)

New York Rangers 1926-pre (NHL)

Brooklyn Americans 1941-42 (NHL)

Buffalo Sabres 1970-pre (NHL)

New York Islanders 1972-pre (NHL)

New York Raiders 1972-73 (WHA)

New York Golden Blades 1973 (WHA)

 

New York Knicks 1946-49 (BAA)

Rochester Royals 1948-49 (BAA)

Rochester Royals 1949-57 (NBA)

New York Knicks 1949-pre (NBA)

Syracuse Nationals 1949-63 (NBA)

New York Nets 1968-76 (ABA)

Buffalo Braves 1970-78 (NBA)

New York Nets 1976-77 (NBA)

Brooklyn Nets 2012-pre (NBA)

 

NEW JERSEY

 

Newark Peppers 1915 (FL)

 

Orange Tornadoes 1929 (NFL)

Newark Tornadoes 1930 (NFL)

New York Giants 1976-pre (NFL)

New York Jets 1984-pre (NFL)

 

Cosmos 1977-78 (NASL)

New York Cosmos 1979-84 (NASL)

NY/NJ MetroStars 1996-97 (MLS)

MetroStars 1998-2005 (MLS)

New York Red Bulls 2006-pre (MLS)

 

Jersey Knights 1973-74 (WHA)

New Jersey Devils 1982-pre (NHL)

 

New Jersey Americans 1967-68 (ABA)

New Jersey Nets 1977-12 (NBA)

 

PENNSYLVANIA

 

Athletic Club of Philadelphia 1876 (NL)

Philadelphia Athletics 1882-90 (AA)

Allegheny 1882-86 (AA)

Philadelphia Quakers 1883 (NL)

Philadelphia Quakers/Phillies 1884-1889 (NL)

Pittsburgh Stogies 1884 (UA)

Altoona Mountain Citys 1884 (UA)

Philadelphia Keystones 1884 (UA)

Pittsburgh Alleghenys 1887-90 (NL)

Philadelphia Athletics 1890 (PL)

Pittsburgh Burghers 1890 (PL)

Philadelphia Phillies 1890-43 (NL)

Philadelphia Athletics 1891 (AA)

Pittsburg Pirates 1891-11 (NL)

Pittsburgh Pirates 1912-pre (NL)

Pittsburgh Stogies/Rebels 1914 (FL)

Pittsburgh Rebels 1915 (FL)

Philadelphia Blue Jays/Phillies 1944-49 (NL)

Philadelphia Phillies 1950-pre (NL)

 

Frankford Yellow Jackets 1924-31 (NFL)

Pottsville Maroons 1925-28

Philadelphia Quakers 1926 (AFL)

Pittsburgh Pirates 1933-39 (NFL)

Philadelphia Eagles 1933-42 (NFL)

Pittsburgh Americans 1936-37 (AFL)

Pittsburgh Steelers 1940-42 (NFL)

Phil-Pitt Steagles (merger of Pittsburgh and Philadelphia) 1943 (NFL)

Card-Pitt (merger of Chicago Cardinals and Pittsburgh) 1944 (NFL)

Philadelphia Eagles 1944-pre

Pittsburgh Steelers 1945-pre (NFL)

 

Philadelphia Spartans 1967 (NPSL)

Pittsburgh Phantoms 1967 (NPSL)

Philadelphia Atoms 1973-76 (NASL)

Philadelphia Fury 1978-80 (NASL)

Philadelphia Union 2010-pre (MLS)

 

Pittsburgh Pirates 1925-30 (NHL)

Philadelphia Quakers 1930-31 (NHL)

Philadelphia Flyers 1967-pre (NHL)

Pittsburgh Penguins 1967-pre (NHL)

Philadelphia Blazers 1972-73 (WHA)

 

Pittsburgh Ironmen 1946-47 (BAA)

Philadelphia Warriors 1946-49 (BAA)

Philadelphia Warriors 1949-62 (NBA)

Philadelphia 76ers 1963-pre (NBA)

Pittsburgh Pipers 1967-68 (ABA)

Pittsburgh Pipers 1969-70 (ABA)

Pittsburgh Condors 1970-72 (ABA)

 

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DELAWARE

 

Wilmington Quicksteps 1884 (UA)

 

 

MARYLAND

 

Baltimore Monumentals 1884 (UA)

Baltimore Orioles 1882-91 (AA)

Baltimore Orioles 1892-99 (NL)

Baltimore Orioles 1901-02 (AL)

Baltimore Terrapins 1914-15 (FL)

Baltimore Orioles 1954-pre (AL)

 

Baltimore Colts 1947-49 (AAFC)

Baltimore Colts 1950 (NFL)

Baltimore Colts 1953-83 (NFL)

Baltimore CFL Colts/Football Club 1994 (CFL)

Baltimore Stallions 1995 (CFL)

Baltimore Ravens 1996-pre (NFL)

Washington (Washington Football Team) 1997-19 (NFL)

Washington Football Team 2020-pre (NFL)

 

Baltimore Bays 1967 (NPSL)

Baltimore Bays 1968-69 (NASL)

Baltimore Comets 1974-75 (NASL)

 

Washington Capitals 1974-97 (NHL)

Baltimore Blades 1975 (WHA)

 

Baltimore Bullets 1946-49 (BAA)

Baltimore Bullets 1949-54 (NBA)

Baltimore Bullets 1963-73 (NBA)

Capital Bullets 1973-74 (NBA)

Washington Bullets 1974-97 (NBA)

Baltimore Hustlers/Claws 1975 (ABA)

Washington Wizards 1997 (NBA)

 

DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA

 

Washington Nationals 1884 (AA)

Washington Nationals 1884 (UA)

Washington Nationals 1886-89 (NL)

Washington Senators 1891 (AA)

Washington Senators 1892-99 (NL)

Washington Senators 1901-04 (AL)

Washington Nationals 1905-54 (AL)

Washington Senators 1955-60 (AL)

Washington Senators 1961-71 (AL)

Washington Nationals 2005-pre (NL)

 

Washington Senators 1921 (APFA)

Washington (Washington Football Team) 1937-96 (NFL)

 

Washington Whips 1967 (USA)

Washington Whips 1968 (NASL)

Washington Darts 1970-71 (NASL)

Washington Diplomats 1974-80 (NASL)

Washington Diplomats 1981 (NASL)

Team America 1983 (NASL)

DC United 1996-pre (MLS)

 

Washington Capitals 1997-pre (NHL)

 

Washington Capitols 1946-49 (BAA)

Washington Capitols 1949-51 (NBA)

Washington Caps 1969-70 (ABA)

Washington Wizards 1997-pre (NBA)

 

VIRGINIA

 

Richmond Virginians 1884 (AA)

 

Virginia Squires (Norfolk) 1970-76 (ABA)

Virginia Squires (Hampton) 1970-76 (ABA)

Virginia Squires (Richmond) 1970-74 (ABA)

Virginia Squires (Roanoke) 1970-72 (ABA)

Virginia Squires (Salem) 1970-71 (ABA)

Virginia Squires (Richmond) 1975-76 (ABA)

 

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OHIO

 

Cincinnati Red Stockings 1876-79 (NL)

Cleveland Blues 1879-84 (NL)

Cincinnati Stars 1880 (NL)

Cincinnati Red Stockings 1882-89 (AA)

Columbus Buckeyes 1883-84 (AA)

Toledo Blue Stockings 1884 (AA)

Cincinnati Outlaw Reds 1884 (UA)

Cleveland Spiders 1887-88 (AA)

Cleveland Spiders 1889-99 (NL)

Columbus Solons 1889-91 (AA)

Toledo Maumees 1890 (AA)

Cleveland Infants 1890 (PL)

Cincinnati Reds 1890-53 (NL)

Cincinnati Kelly's Killers 1891 (AA)

Cleveland Blues 1901 (AL)

Cleveland Broncos 1902 (AL)

Cleveland Naps 1903-14 (AL)

Cleveland Indians 1915-pre (AL)

Cincinnati Redlegs 1954-58 (NL)

Cincinnati Reds 1959-pre (NL)

 

Akron Pros 1920-21 (APFA)

Canton Bulldogs 1920-21 (APFA)

Cleveland Tigers 1920 (APFA)

Columbus Panhandles 1920-21 (APFA)

Dayton Triangles 1920-21 (APFA)

Cleveland Indians 1921 (APFA)

Cincinnati Celts 1921 (APFA)

Akron Pros 1922-25 (NFL)

Canton Bulldogs 1922-23 (NFL)

Columbus Panhandles 1922 (NFL)

Dayton Triangles 1922-29 (NFL)

Oorang (LaRue) Indians 1922-23 (NFL)

Toledo Maroons 1922-23 (NFL)

Cleveland Indians 1923 (NFL)

Columbus Tigers 1923-26 (NFL)

Cleveland Bulldogs 1924-25 (NFL)

Canton Bulldogs 1925-26 (NFL)

Akron Indians 1926 (NFL)

Cleveland Panthers 1926 (AFL)

Cleveland Bulldogs 1927 (NFL)

Portsmouth Spartans 1930-33 (NFL)

Cleveland Indians 1931 (NFL)

Cincinnati Reds 1933-34 (NFL)

Cleveland Rams 1936 (AFL)

Cleveland Rams 1937-42 (NFL)

Cincinnati Bengals 1937 (AFL)

Columbus Bullies 1940-41 (AFL)

Cincinnati Bengals 1940-41 (AFL)

Cleveland Rams 1944-45 (NFL)

Cleveland Browns 1946-49 (AAFC)

Cleveland Browns 1950-95 (NFL)

Cincinnati Bengals 1968-69 (AFL)

Cincinnati Bengals 1970-pre (NFL)

Cleveland Browns 1999-pre (NFL)

 

Cleveland Stokers 1967 (USA)

Cleveland Stokers 1968 (NASL)

Columbus Crew 1996-14 (MLS

Columbus Crew SC 2015-pre (MLS)

FC Cincinnati 2019-pre (MLS)

 

Cleveland Crusaders 1972-76 (WHA)

Cincinnati Stingers 1975-79 (WHA)

Cleveland Barons 1976-78 (NHL)

Columbus Blue Jackets 2000-pre (NHL)

 

Cleveland Rebels 1946-47 (BAA)

Cincinnati Royals 1957-72 (NBA)

Cleveland Cavaliers 1970-pre (NBA)

Kentucky Colonels (Cincinnati, part time) 1973-74 (ABA)

Kentucky Colonels (Cincinnati, part time) 1975-76 (ABA)

 

KENTUCKY

 

Louisville Grays 1876-77 (NL)

Louisville Eclipse 1882-84 (AA)

Louisville Colonels 1885-91 (AA)

Louisville Colonels 1892-99 (NL)

 

Louisville Brecks 1921 (APFA)

Louisville Brecks 1922-23 (NFL)

Louisville Colonels 1926 (NFL)

 

Kentucky Colonels (Louisville) 1967-76 (ABA)

Kentucky Colonels (Lexington part time) 1973-75 (ABA)

Kentucky Colonels (Bowling Green part time) 1973-75 (ABA)

 

INDIANA

 

Indianapolis Blues 1878 (NL)

Indianapolis Hoosiers 1884 (AA)

Indianapolis Hoosiers 1914 (FL)

 

Hammond Pros 1920-21 (APFA)

Muncie Flyers 1920-21 (APFA)

Evansville Crimson Giants 1921 (APFA)

Evansville Crimson Giants 1922 (NFL)

Hammond Pros 1922-26 (NFL)

Indianapolis Colts 1984-pre (NFL)

 

Indianapolis Racers 1974-78 (WHA)

 

Indianapolis Jets 1948-49 (BAA)

Fort Wayne Pistons 1948-49 (BAA)

Fort Wayne Pistons 1949-57 (BAA)

Indianapolis Olympians 1949-53 (NBA)

Anderson Packers 1949-50 (NBA)

Indiana Pacers 1967-76 (ABA)

Indiana Pacers 1976-pre (NBA)

 

MICHIGAN

 

Detroit Wolverines 1881-88 (NL)

Detroit Tigers 1901-pre (AL)

 

Detroit Heralds 1920 (APFA)

Detroit Tigers 1921 (APFA)

Detroit Panthers 1925-26 (NFL)

Detroit Wolverines 1928 (NFL)

Detroit Lions 1934-pre (NFL)

 

Detroit Cougars 1967 (USA)

Detroit Cougars 1968 (NASL)

Detroit Express 1978-80 (NASL)

 

Detroit Cougars 1927-30 (NHL)

Detroit Falcons 1930-32 (NHL)

Detroit Red Wings 1932-pre (NHL)

Michigan Stags 1974-75 (WHA)

 

Detroit Falcons 1946-47 (BAA)

Detroit Pistons 1957-pre (NBA)

 

WISCONSIN

 

Milwaukee Grays 1878 (NL)

Milwaukee Brewers 1884 (UA)

Milwaukee Brewers 1891 (AA)

Milwaukee Brewers 1901 (AL)

Milwaukee Braves 1953-65 (NL)

Milwaukee Brewers 1970-97 (AL)

Milwaukee Brewers 1998-pre (NL)

 

Green Bay Packers 1921 (APFA)

Milwaukee Badgers 1922-26 (NFL)

Green Bay Packers 1922-pre (NFL)

Racine Legion 1922-24 (NFL)

Kenosha Maroons 1924 (NFL)

Racine Tornadoes 1926 (NFL)

Green Bay Packers (Milwaukee part time) 1933-94 (NFL)

Milwaukee Chiefs 1940-41 (AFL)

 

Sheboygan Red Skins 1949-50 (NBA)

Milwaukee Hawks 1951-55 (NBA)

Milwaukee Bucks 1968-pre (NBA)

 

ILLINOIS

 

Chicago White Stockings 1876-89 (NL)

Chicago Browns 1884 (UA)

Chicago Pirates 1890 (PL)

Chicago Colts 1890-97 (NL)

Chicago Orphans 1898-02 (NL)

Chicago White Stockings 1901-03 (AL)

Chicago Cubs 1903-pre (NL)

Chicago White Sox 1904-pre (AL)

Chicago Federals 1914 (FL)

Chicago Whales 1915 (FL)

 

Chicago Tigers 1920 (APFA)

Chicago Cardinals 1920-21 (APFA)

Rock Island Independents 1920-21 (APFA)

Decatur Staleys 1920 (APFA)

Chicago Staleys 1921 (APFA)

Chicago Bears 1922-pre (NFL)

Rock Island Independents 1922-25 (NFL)

Chicago Cardinals 1922-43 (NFL)

Chicago Bulls 1926 (AFL)

Card-Pitt (Chicago Cardinals merge with Pittsburgh) 1944 (NFL)

Chicago Cardinals 1945-59 (NFL)

Chicago Rockets 1946-48 (AAFC)

Chicago Hornets 1949 (AAFC)

 

Chicago Spurs 1967 (NPSL)

Chicago Mustangs 1967 (USA)

Chicago Mustangs 1968 (NASL)

Chicago Sting 1975-84 (NASL)

Chicago Fire 1998-19 (MLS)

Chicafo Fire FC 2020-pre (MLS)

 

Chicago Black Hawks 1926-86 (NHL)

Chicago Cougars 1972-75 (WHA)

Chicago Blackhawks 1986-pre (NHL)

 

Chicago Stags 1946-49 (BAA)

Chicago Stags 1949-50 (NBA)

Tri Cities Blackhawks 1949-51 (NBA)

Chicago Packers 1961-62 (NBA)

Chicago Zephyrs 1962-63 (NBA)

Chicago Bulls 1966-pre (NBA)

 

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NORTH CAROLINA

 

Carolina Panthers 1996-pre (NFL)

 

Charlotte FC 2022-Future (MLS)

 

Carolina Hurricanes (Greensboro) 1997-99 (NHL)

Carolina Hurricanes (Raleigh) 1999-pre (NHL)

 

Carolina Cougars (Greensboro) 1969-74 (ABA)

Carolina Cougars (Charlotte) 1969-74 (ABA)

Carolina Cougars (Raleigh) 1969-74 (ABA)

Carolina Cougars (Winston Salem) 1971-72 (ABA)

Charlotte Hornets 1988-02 (NBA)

Charlotte Bobcats 2004-14 (NBA)

Charlotte Hornets 2014-pre (NBA)

 

SOUTH CAROLINA

 

Carolina Panthers (Clemson) 1995 (NFL)

 

GEORGIA

 

Atlanta Braves 1966-pre (NL)

 

Atlanta Falcons 1966-pre (NFL)

 

Atlanta Chiefs 1967 (NPSL)

Atlanta Chiefs 1968-72 (NASL)

Atlanta Apollos 1973 (NASL)

Atlanta Chiefs 1979-81 (NASL)

Atlanta United FC 2017-pre (MLS)

 

Atlanta Flames 1972-80 (NHL)

Atlanta Thrashers 1999-11 (NHL)

 

Atlanta Hawks 1968-pre (NBA)

 

FLORIDA

 

Florida Marlins 1993-11 (NL)

Tampa Bay Devil Rays 1998-07 (AL)

Tampa Bay Rays 2008-pre (AL)

Miami Marlins 2012-pre (NL)

 

Miami Seahawks 1946 (AAFC)

Miami Dolphins 1966-69 (AFL)

Miami Dolphins 1970-pre (NFL)

Tampa Bay Buccaneers 1976-pre (NFL)

Jacksonville Jaguars 1995-pre (NFL)

 

Miami Gatos 1972 (NASL)

Miami Toros 1973-76 (NASL)

Tampa Bay Rowdies 1975-84 (NASL)

Fort Lauderdale Strikers 1977-83 (NASL)

Jacksonville Tea Men 1980-82 (NASL)

Tampa Bay Mutiny 1996-01 (MLS)

Miami Fusion FC 1998-01 (MLS)

Orlando City SC 2015-pre (MLS)

Inter Miami CF 2020-pre (MLS)

 

Tampa Bay Lightning 1992-pre (NHL)

Florida Panthers 1993-pre (NHL)

 

Miami Floridians (Miami Beach) 1968-70 (ABA)

Miami Floridians (West Palm Beach) 1968-69 (ABA)

Floridians (Miami Beach) 1970-72 (ABA)

Floridians (Jacksonville) 1970-71 (ABA)

Floridians (Tampa) 1970-72 (ABA)

Floridians (West Palm Beach) 1970-71 (ABA)

Floridians (St Petersburg) 1971-72 (ABA)

Floridians (Miami) 1971-72 (ABA)

Miami Heat 1988-pre (NBA)

Orlando Magic 1989-pre (NBA)

 

ALABAMA

 

Birmingham Barracudas 1995 (CFL)

 

Birmingham Bulls 1976-79 (WHA)

 

 

TENNESSEE

 

Memphis Mad Dogs 1995 (CFL)

Tennessee Oilers (Memphis) 1997 (NFL)

Tennessee Oilers (Nashville) 1998 (NFL)

Tennessee Titans 1999-pre (NFL)

 

Memphis Rogues 1978-80 (NASL)

Nashville SC 2020-pre (MLS)

 

Nashville Predators 1998-pre (NHL)

 

Memphis Pros 1970-72 (ABA)

Memphis Tams 1972-74 (ABA)

Memphis Sounds 1974-75 (ABA)

Memphis Grizzlies 2001-pre (NBA)

 

PUERTO RICO

 

Montreal Expos (San Juan, part time) 2003-04 (NL)

 

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LOUISIANA

 

New Orleans Saints 1967-2004 (NFL)

Shreveport Pirates 1994-95 (CFL)

New Orleans Saints (Baton Rouge) 2005 (NFL)

New Orleans Saints 2006-pre (NFL)

 

New Orleans Buccaneers 1967-70 (ABA)

New Orleans Jazz 1974-79 (NBA)

New Orleans Hornets 2002-05 (NBA)

New Orleans/Oklahoma City Hornets (Baton Rouge) 2005-06 (NBA)

New Orleans/Oklahoma City Hornets (New Orleans) 2005-07 (NBA)

New Orleans Hornets 2007-13 (NBA)

New Orleans Pelicans 2013- pre (NBA)

 

 

TEXAS

 

Houston Colt .45s 1962-64 (NL)

Houston Astros 1965-12 (NL)

Texas Rangers 1972-pre (AL)

Houston Astros 2013-pre (AL)

 

Dallas Texans 1952 (NFL)

Dallas Texans 1960-62 (AFL)

Dallas Cowboys 1960-pre (NFL)

Houston Oilers 1960-69 (AFL)

Houston Oilers 1970-96 (NFL)

San Antonio Texans 1995 (CFL)

Houston Texans 2002-pre (NFL)

New Orleans Saints (San Antonio) 2005 (NFL)

 

Dallas Tornado 1967 (USA)

Houston Stars 1967 (USA)

Dallas Tornado 1968-81 (NASL)

Houston Stars 1968 (NASL)

San Antonio Thunder 1975-76 (NASL)

Houston Hurricane 1978-80 (NASL)

Dallas Burn 1996-04 (MLS)

FC Dallas 2005-pre (MLS)

Houston Dynamo 2006-pre (MLS)

Austin FC 2021- Future (MLS)

 

Houston Aeros 1972-78 (WHA)

Dallas Stars 1993-pre (NHL)

 

Houston Mavericks 1967-69 (ABA)

Dallas Chaparrals 1967-70 (ABA)

Dallas Chaparrals (Fort Worth) 1968-70 (ABA)

Texas Chaparrals (Dallas) 1970-71 (ABA)

Texas Chaparrals (Fort Worth) 1970-71 (ABA)

Texas Chaparrals (Lubbock) 1970-71 (ABA)

Dallas Chaparrals 1971-73 (ABA)

Houston Rockets 1971-pre (NBA)

Dallas Chaparrals (Denton) 1972-73 (ABA)

San Antonio Spurs 1973-76 (ABA)

San Antonio Spurs 1976-pre (NBA)

Dallas Mavericks 1980-pre (NBA)

 

 

OKLAHOMA

 

Tulsa Roughnecks 1978-84 (NASL)

 

New Orleans/Oklahoma City Hornets (OKC) 2005-07 (NBA)

New Orleans/Oklahoma City Hornets (Norman) 2005-06 (NBA)

Oklahoma City Thunder 2008-pre (NBA)

 

 

KANSAS

 

Kansas City Wizards 2008-10 (MLS)

Sporting Kansas City 2011-pre (MLS)

 

 

MISSOURI

 

St Louis Brown Stockings 1876-77 (NL)

St Louis Brown Stockings 1882 (AA)

St Louis Browns 1883-91 (AA)

St Louis Maroons 1884 (UA)

St Louis Maroons 1885-86 (NL)

Kansas City Cowboys 1884 (UA)

Kansas City Cowboys 1886 (NL)

Kansas City Cowboys 1888-89 (AA)

St Louis Browns 1892-98 (NL)

St Louis Perfectos 1899 (NL)

St Louis Cardinals 1900-pre (NL)

Kansas City Packers 1914-15 (FL)

St Louis Terriers 1914-15 (FL)

Kansas City Athletics 1955-67 (AL)

Kansas City Royals 1969-pre (AL)

 

St Louis All Stars 1923 (NFL)

Kansas City Blues 1924 (NFL)

Kansas City Cowboys 1925-26 (NFL)

St Louis Gunners 1934 (NFL)

St Louis Cardinals 1960-87 (NFL)

Kansas City Chiefs 1963-69 (AFL)

Kansas City Chiefs 1970-pre (NFL)

St Louis Rams 1995-15 (NFL)

 

St Louis Stars 1967 (NPSL)

St Louis Stars 1968-77 (NASL)

Kansas City Spurs 1968-1970 (NASL)

Kansas City Wiz 1996 (MLS)

Kansas City Wizards 1997-07 (MLS)

St Louis City SC 2023- Future (MLS)

 

St Louis Eagles 1934-35 (NHL)

St Louis Blues 1967- pre (NHL)

Kansas City Scouts 1974-76 (NHL)

 

St Louis Bombers 1946-49 (BAA)

St Louis Bombers 1949-50 (NBA)

St Louis Hawks 1955-68 (NBA)

Kansas City/Omaha Kings 1972-75 (NBA)

Spirts of St Louis 1974-76 (ABA)

Kansas City Kings 1975-85

 

 

IOWA

 

Waterloo Hawks 1949-50 (NBA)

 

 

NEBRASKA

 

Kansas City/Omaha Kings 1972-75 (NBA)

Kansas City Kings (Omaha part time) 1975-77 (NBA)

 

 

MINNESOTA

 

St Paul Saints 1884 (UA)

Minnesota Twins 1961-pre (AL)

 

Minneapolis Marines 1921 (APFA)

Minneapolis Marines 1922-24 (APFA)

Duluth Kelleys 1923-25 (NFL)

Duluth Eskimos 1926-27 (NFL)

Minneapolis Red Jackets 1929-30 (NFL)

Minnesota Vikings 1961-pre (NFL)

 

Minnesota Kicks 1976-81 (NASL)

Minnesota Strikers 1984 (NASL)

Minnesota United FC 2017-pre (MLS)

 

Minnesota North Stars 1967-93 (NHL)

Minnesota Fighting Saints 1972-76 (WHA)

Minnesota Fighting Saints 1976-77 (WHA)

Minnesota Wild 2000-pre (NHL)

 

Minneapolis Lakers 1948-49 (BAA)

Minneapolis Lakers 1949-60 (NBA)

Minnesota Muskies 1967-68 (ABA)

Minnesota Pipers (Bloomington) 1968-69 (ABA)

Minnesota Pipers (Duluth) 1968-69 (ABA)

Minnesota Timberwolves 1989-pre (NBA)

 

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COLORADO

 

Colorado Rockies 1993-pre (NL)

 

Denver Broncos 1960-69 (AFL)

Denver Broncos 1970-pre (NFL)

 

Denver Dynamos 1974-75 (NASL)

The Caribous of Colorado 1978 (NASL)

Colorado Rapids 1996-pre (MLS)

 

Denver Spurs 1975-76 (WHA)

Colorado Rockies 1976-82 (NHL)

Colorado Avalanche 1995-pre (NHL)

 

Denver Nuggets 1949-50 (NBA)

Denver Rockets 1967-74 (ABA)

Denver Nuggets 1974-76 (ABA)

Denver Nuggets 1976-pre (NBA)

 

 

ARIZONA

 

Arizona Diamondbacks 1996-pre (NL)

 

Phoenix Cardinals 1988-93 (NFL)

Arizona Cardinals 1994-pre (NFL)

 

Phoenix Roadrunners 1974-77 (WHA)

Phoenix Coyotes 1996-14 (NHL)

Arizona Coyotes 2014-pre (NHL)

 

Phoenix Suns 1968-pre (NBA)

 

 

UTAH

 

Real Salt Lake 2005-pre (MLS)

 

Utah Stars 1970-75 (ABA)

Utah Jazz 1979-pre (NBA)

 

 

NEVADA

 

Las Vegas Posse 1994 (CFL)

Las Vegas Raiders 2020-pre (NFL)

 

Las Vegas Quicksilvers 1977 (NASL)

 

Vegas Golden Knights 2017-pre (NHL)

 

CALIFORNIA

 

Los Angeles Dodgers 1958-pre (NL)

San Francisco Giants 1958-pre (NL)

Los Angeles Angels 1961-65 (AL)

California Angels 1965-96 (AL)

Oakland Athletics 1968-pre (AL)

San Diego Padres 1969-pre (NL)

Anaheim Angels 1997-04 (AL)

Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim 2005-15 (AL)

Los Angeles Angels (Anaheim) 2016-pre (AL)

 

Los Angeles Buccaneers 1926 (NFL)

Los Angeles Wildcats 1926 (AFL)

Los Angeles Bulldogs 1937 (AFL)

Los Angeles Rams 1946-94 (NFL)

San Francisco 49ers 1946-49 (AAFC)

Los Angeles Dons 1946-49 (AAFC)

San Francisco 49ers 1950-pre (NFL)

Oakland Raiders 1960-69 (AFL)

Los Angeles Chargers 1960 (AFL)

San Diego Chargers 1961-69 (AFL)

Oakland Raiders 1970-81 (NFL)

San Diego Chargers 1970-16 (NFL)

Los Angeles Raiders 1982-94 (NFL)

Sacramento Gold Miners 1993-94 (CFL)

Oakland Raiders 1995-19 (NFL)

Los Angeles Rams 2016-pre (NFL)

Los Angeles Chargers 2017-pre (NFL)

 

Oakland Clippers 1967 (NPSL)

San Francisco Golden Gate Gales 1967 (USA)

Los Angeles Toros 1967 (NPSL)

Los Angeles Wolves 1967 (USA)

Los Angeles Wolves 1968 (NASL)

Oakland Clippers 1968 (NASL)

San Diego Toros 1968 (NASL)

San Jose Earthquakes 1974-82 (NASL)

Los Angeles Aztecs 1974-81 (NASL)

San Diego Jaws 1976 (NASL)

California Surf 1978-81 (NASL)

Oakland Stompers 1978 (NASL)

San Diego Sockers 1978-84 (NASL)

Golden Bay Earthquakes 1983-84 (NASL)

San Jose Clash 1996-99 (MLS)

Los Angeles Galaxy 1996-07 (MLS)

Club Deportivo Chivas USA (Los Angeles) 2005-14 (MLS)

LA Galaxy 2007-pre (MLS)

San Jose Earthquakes 2000-05 (MLS)

San Jose Earthquakes 2008-pre (MLS)

Los Angeles FC 2018-pre (MLS)

Sacramento Republic FC 2023- Future (MLS)

 

Los Angeles Kings 1967-pre (NHL)

California Seals 1967 (NHL)

Oakland Seals 1967-70 (NHL)

Bay Area Seals 1970 (NHL)

California Golden Seals 1970-74 (NHL)

Los Angeles Sharks 1972-74 (WHA)

California Seals 1974-76 (NHL)

San Diego Mariners 1974-77 (WHA)

San Jose Sharks (San Francisco) 1991-93 (NHL)

San Jose Sharks 1993-pre (NHL)

Mighty Ducks of Anaheim 1993-06 (NHL)

Anaheim Ducks 2006-pre (NHL)

 

Los Angeles Lakers 1960-pre (NBA)

San Francisco Warriors 1962-71 (NBA)

Oakland Oaks 1967-69 (ABA)

Anaheim Amigos 1967-68 (ABA)

San Diego Rockets 1968-71 (NBA)

Los Angeles Stars 1968-70 (ABA)

Golden State Warriors (Oakland) 1971-96 (NBA)

San Diego Conquistadors 1972-75 (ABA)

San Diego Sails 1975 (ABA)

San Diego Clippers 1978-84 (NBA)

Los Angeles Clippers 1984-pre (NBA)

Sacramento Kings 1985-pre (NBA)

Los Angeles Clippers (Anaheim part time) 1994-99 (NBA)

Golden State Warriors (San Jose) 1996-97 (NBA)

Golden State Warriors (Oakland) 1997-19 (NBA)

Golden State Warriors (San Francisco) 2019-pre (NBA)

 

 

HAWAII

 

Team Hawaii 1977 (NASL)

 

 

OREGON

 

Portland Timbers 1975-82 (NASL)

Portland Timbers 2011-pre (MLS)

 

Portland Rosebuds 1914-18 (PCHA)

Portland Rosebuds 1925-26 (WHL)

 

Portland Trail Blazers 1970-pre (NBA)

 

 

WASHINGTON

 

Seattle Pilots 1969-70 (AL)

Seattle Mariners 1977-pre (AL)

 

Seattle Seahawks 1976-pre (NFL)

 

Seattle Sounders 1974-83 (NASL)

Seattle Sounders FC 2009-pre (MLS)

 

Seattle Metropolitans 1915-24 (PCHA)

Spokane Canaries 1916-17 (PCHA)

Seattle Kraken 2021-Future (NHL)

 

Seattle Supersonics 1967-08 (NBA)

 

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BRITISH COLUMBIA

 

BC Lions 1958-pre (CFL)

 

Vancouver Royal Canadians 1967 (USA)

Vancouver Royals 1968 (NASL)

Vancouver Whitecaps 1974-84 (NASL)

Vancouver Whitecaps FC 2011-pre (MLS)

 

Vancouver Millionaires 1912-22 (PCHA)

New Westminster Royals 1912-14 (PCHA)

Victoria Senators 1912-13 (PCHA)

Victoria Aristocrats 1913-16 (PCHA)

Victoria Aristocrats 1919-23 (PCHA)

Vancouver Maroons 1922-24 (PCHA)

Victoria Cougars 1923-24 (PCHA)

Vancouver Maroons 1924-25 (WCHL)

Victoria Cougars 1924-25 (WCHL)

Vancouver Maroons 1925-26 (WHL)

Vancouver Marroons 1925-26 (WHL)

Vancouver Canucks 1970-pre (NHL)

Vancouver Blazers 1973-75 (WHA)

 

Vancouver Grizzlies 1995-01 (NBA)

 

 

ALBERTA

 

Calgary Stampeders 1958-pre (CFL)

Edmonton Eskimos 1958-19 (CFL)

Edmonton Football Team 2020-pre (CFL)

 

Edmonton Drillers 1978-82 (NASL)

Calgary Boomers 1981 (NASL)

 

Calgary Tigers 1921-25 (WCHL)

Edmonton Eskimos 1921-25 (WCHL)

Calgary Tigers 1925-26 (WHL)

Edmonton Eskimos 1925-26 (WHL)

Alberta Oilers 1972-73 (WHA)

Edmonton Oilers 1973-79 (WHA)

Calgary Cowboys 1975-77 (WHA)

Edmonton Oilers 1979-pre (NHL)

Calgary Flames 1980-pre (NHL)

 

 

SASKATCHEWAN

 

Saskatchewan Roughriders 1958-pre (CFL)

 

Regina Capitals 1921-25 (WCHL)

Saskatoon Shieks 1921-22 (WCHL)

Moose Jaw Shieks 1922 (WCHL)

Saskatoon Crescents 1922-23 (WCHL)

Saskatoon Shieks 1923-25 (WCHL)

Saskatoon Shieks 1925-26 (WHL)

 

MANITOBA

 

Winnipeg Blue Bombers 1957-pre (CFL)

 

Winnipeg Jets 1972-79 (WHA)

Winnipeg Jets 1979-96 (NHL)

Winnipeg Jets 2011-pre (NHL)

 

ONTARIO

 

Toronto Blue Jays 1977-19 (AL)

 

Hamilton Tiger-Cats 1958-pre (CFL)

Toronto Argonauts 1958-pre (CFL)

Ottawa Rough Riders 1958-96 (CFL)

Ottawa Renegades 2002-05 (CFL)

Buffalo Bills (Toronto, part time) 2008-13 (NFL)

Ottawa Redblacks 2014-pre (CFL)

 

Toronto City 1967 (USA)

Toronto Falcons 1967 (NPSL)

Toronto Falcons 1967 (NASL)

Toronto Metros 1971-74 (NASL)

Toronto Metros-Croatia 1975-78 (NASL)

Toronto Blizzard 1979-84 (NASL)

Toronto FC 2007-pre (MLS)

 

Cobalt Silver Kings 1910 (NHA)

Haileybury Comets 1910 (NHA)

Ottawa Senators 1910-17 (NHA)

Renfrew Creamery Kings 1910-11 (NHA)

Toronto Hockey Club 1912-17 (NHA)

Toronto Tecumsehs 1912-13 (NHA)

Toronto Ontarios 1913-15 (NHA)

Toronto Shamrocks 1915 (NHA)

228th Battalion 1916-17 (NHA)

Toronto Hockey Club 1917-18 (NHL)

Ottawa Senators 1917-31 (NHL)

Toronto Arenas 1918-19 (NHL)

Toronto St Patricks 1919-27 (NHL)

Hamilton Tigers 1920-25 (NHL)

Toronto Maple Leafs 1927-pre (NHL)

Ottawa Senators 1932-34 (NHL)

Ottawa Nationals 1972-73 (WHA)

Toronto Toros 1973-76 (NHL)

Ottawa Civics 1976 (WHA)

Ottawa Senators 1992-pre (NHL)

 

Toronto Huskies 1946-47 (BAA)

Buffalo Braves (Toronto, part time) 1973-75 (NBA)

Toronto Raptors 1995-pre (NBA)

 

 

QUEBEC

 

Montreal Expos 1969-04 (NL)

 

Montreal Concordes 1982-85 (CFL)

Montreal Alouettes 1986-87 (CFL)

Montreal Alouettes 1996-pre (CFL)

 

Montreal Olympique 1971-73 (NASL)

Montreal Manic 1981-83 (NASL)

Montreal Impact 2011-pre (MLS)

 

Les Canadiens 1910 (NHA)

Montreal Shamrocks 1910 (NHA)\

Quebec Hockey Club 1910-17 (NHA)

Montreal Wanderers 1910-17 (NHA)

Montreal Canadiens 1910-17 (NHA)

Montreal Canadiens 1917-pre (NHL)

Montreal Wanderers 1917 (NHL)

Quebec Athletic Club 1919-20 (NHL)

Montreal Maroons 1925-38 (NHL)

Quebec Nordiques 1972-79 (WHA)

Quebec Nordiques 1979-95 (NHL)

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Well that didn't take over the thread or anything.

 

Point of contention - the Phillies have been officially the Phillies from 1890 > today.  They were never the Blue Jays.

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1 hour ago, BBTV said:

Well that didn't take over the thread or anything.

 

Point of contention - the Phillies have been officially the Phillies from 1890 > today.  They were never the Blue Jays.

Wasnt intending to take over the thread but had no idea how else to post it and didnt think it was worth a new thread.

 

As for the Phillies/Blue Jays and even the Quakers names, from what i read up on was that the Quakers and Phillies name was used interchangibly until 1889 and in 1890 it was just Phillies from then on. There's conflicting reports from the Phillies themselves that the Blue Jays name was never official but other news sources from the Phillies at that time stated the names were used interchangibly. Whether official or not I included it.

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@Dilbert, that is an impressive list.

 

One change you might want to consider, but it's completely your call -- the NFL Dallas Texans were based in Hershey, PA for the last half of the 1952 season, though they played all of their games on the road after leaving Dallas (unless you count a "home" game in Akron -- so maybe they belong in Ohio).

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dallas_Texans_(NFL)

 

My thought is that if you're going to list the Blue Jays as a New York team for 2020, the Texans probably belong in another state too.

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18 hours ago, Dilbert said:

Wanted to bump this up. I put together a list of major league teams. This list includes baseball (National League, American League, Players League, Union Association, American Association, Federal League), football (American Professional Football Association, National Football League, American Football League I, American Football League II, American Football League III, All America Football Conference, American Football League IV), soccer (United Soccer Association, National Professional Soccer League, North American Soccer League, Major League Soccer), Hockey (National Hockey Association, Pacific Coast Hockey Association, Western Canada Hockey League, Western Hockey League, National Hockey League, World Hockey Association) and basketball (Basketball Association of America, National Basketball Association, American Basketball Association)

 

Good, pretty damned comprehensive list.

Just curious as to why no inclusion of the WFL or USFL, yet inclusion of the USA, NPSL and NASL, Federal League etc. . 

I can understand inclusion of all the now non-existent leagues that were either direct predecessors (BAA for example), or competitor leagues which eventually put teams in the primary league (ABA, AFL, WHA). But some of the leagues you listed have NO LINEAGE CONNECTION to the existing league (while the NPSAL and USA led to the NASL, the NASL has no linear connection to MLS.  The Federal League has no linear connection to the two current MLB leagues,  nor does the AFL 1 or AFL III have any linear connection to the NFL.)

Now, I would leave off brief one-shots like the XFL (I and II) and the AAF, as well as the WLAF/NFL Europa, which as a type of developmental league for the NFL was clearly a form of a minor league.  I would also leave off Arena Football, as it was and is a joke.  But by your system, I would definitely include the WFL and USFL in your lists.

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