Bowlology

[Jigga]

Well you have to forgive Greg..it's not like he can root for his teams, so he has to rip on others.

It's not that I need to rip on other teams, I just pick on 'Bama because I hate you...

If you were talking about baseball, then you'd be right...

You racist.

Do you have to try hard to be that stupid or does it just come naturally?

I could ask you the same thing.

You could, but since you're the one that says all the stupid stuff, it would be yet another stupid question...par for the course, I guess. So ask away. You're only proving my point anyway. Cheers, buddy...

[WJMorris3]

Here's hoping that either Colorado or UCLA can pull an upset and break the system!

[Jigga]

How about an all-Big Ten Rose Bowl?  Penn State-Ohio State for all the marbles!  Could happen if:

-USC loses to UCLA.

-Texas loses to Colorado.

-LSU loses to Georgia.

-Virginia Tech loses to FSU.

Also, if one of the latter two (LSU or Va. Tech) lose, Ohio St. and Oregon would both make it into the top 6 of the BCS Standings, and (correct me if I'm wrong) automatically get to go to a BCS bowl game.  (Or does that rule only apply to non-BCS schools?)

Sounds great, but wouldn't happen...USC has already sewn up the Pac-10 bid and if both USC and Texas lost, Texas and Notre Dame would be the at-large selections, leaving Ohio State completely out of the BCS picture...

Your scenario would probably net Penn State versus USC in the Rose Bowl, just like it would have been in the pre-BCS days when the Pac-10 and Big 10 champs squared off.

[HedleyLamarr]

How about an all-Big Ten Rose Bowl?  Penn State-Ohio State for all the marbles!  Could happen if:

-USC loses to UCLA.

-Texas loses to Colorado.

-LSU loses to Georgia.

-Virginia Tech loses to FSU.

Also, if one of the latter two (LSU or Va. Tech) lose, Ohio St. and Oregon would both make it into the top 6 of the BCS Standings, and (correct me if I'm wrong) automatically get to go to a BCS bowl game.  (Or does that rule only apply to non-BCS schools?)

Sounds great, but wouldn't happen...USC has already sewn up the Pac-10 bid and if both USC and Texas lost, Texas and Notre Dame would be the at-large selections, leaving Ohio State completely out of the BCS picture...

Your scenario would probably net Penn State versus USC in the Rose Bowl, just like it would have been in the pre-BCS days when the Pac-10 and Big 10 champs squared off.

So let's say USC loses by the same margain Oklahoma did when they lost the Big XII title game a couple years back: 28 points. (How has USC already clinched the Pac-10's BCS bid? Wouldn't UCLA win the 3-way tiebreaker between 1-loss USC, UCLA, and Oregon based on head-to-head matchups?)

-How high would you still rank the Trojans after a 28-point loss, and how high would you move UCLA up since they beat the #1 team by 28 points?

-And what about Texas? If they lose to a 4-loss Colorado team, don't you think they'd drop in the polls a bit?

-All Oregon needs is either LSU or Va. Tech to lose to move up to #6 in the BCS polls. I'm pretty sure that if you're in the top 6 of the final BCS standings, you're guarenteed a spot (unless that rule just applies to non-BCS conference teams).

ACC - FSU

Big East - W. Virginia

SEC - UGA

Big Ten - Penn St.

Big XII - Colorado

Pac 10 - UCLA

This would leave 1-loss Ohio St., 1-loss Oregon, 1-loss USC, 1-loss Texas, and 2-loss Notre Dame, 2-loss LSU, and 2-loss Virginia Tech. I can't see Notre Dame passing over 4 1-loss teams, nor OSU or Oregon dropping.

[WJMorris3]

I'll say it one last time. The two most deserving teams for at large bids are OSU and Oregon. Hell, if Notre Dame isn't, well, Notre Dame, we wouldn't even be having this discussion. I just hope one of the two giants falls because I don't want to see the system miraculously work out.

In any case, the way it was explained to me was as follows.

USC has the bid because if USC loses to UCLA, it's a three way tie between USC and UCLA and Oregon. Since Oregon and UCLA did not play, it goes to common opponents.

USC and Oregon both beat Arizona. UCLA lost to Arizona. So UCLA is out.

USC beat Oregon, so USC is the Pac-10 champ. Can we please require a full round-robin for every conference?

[HedleyLamarr]

In any case, the way it was explained to me was as follows.

USC has the bid because if USC loses to UCLA, it's a three way tie between USC and UCLA and Oregon. Since Oregon and UCLA did not play, it goes to common opponents.

USC and Oregon both beat Arizona. UCLA lost to Arizona. So UCLA is out.

USC beat Oregon, so USC is the Pac-10 champ. Can we please require a full round-robin for every conference?

Makes some sense. I guess the conferences have different tiebreakers.

A couple years ago, UGA, Florida, and Tennessee all had 6-2 SEC records. Since you can't send all three teams to the SEC Championship Game, they came up with the oddest of tiebreakers.

-The first tiebreaker was head-to-head. UGA eat UT, UTbeat UF, UF beat UGA, so we're still at a stalemate.

-Next was record vs. the division, the SEC East. All three swept South Carolina, Kentucky, and Vandy.

-It came down to the last tiebreaker: the BCS standings. The team lowest in the standings was dropped, and the remaining two would then be seperated by the head-to-head matchup, which UGA won by beating UT.

So I was thinking that they'd go by overall record vs. tied opponents, in which UCLA would be undefeated.....

[DEAD!]

Here's an idea, get congress involved

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2005/foot...s.ap/index.html

[FirearmofMutiny]

Anything but Detroit. Anything but Detroit. Anything but Detroit. Anything but Detroit. Anything but Detroit. Anything but Detroit. Anything but Detroit. Anything but Detroit.

[See Red]

Well, unless Texas blows a 42-3 halftime lead, we have one half of the National Championship game decided.

[Seadragon76]

Let's See...

Tulsa won the C-USA title game and will go the Liberty Bowl to face Fresno State (Strange considering they were once WAC members). I saw on ESPN's Bottom Line that UTEP will accept the bid to the GMAC Bowl to face Toledo.

That means UCF will go to the Hawaii Bowl to Bucfan's Nevada Wolfpack.

Edit: You're right. Heck, it could be four if La. Tech can snatch the Motor City Bowl bid from UConn tonight when the Huskies fall to Louisville. Oh, and FYI: Fresno State had that bid sealed before they did that face fault against La. Tech.

[FiddySicks]

Let's See...

Tulsa won the C-USA title game and will go the Liberty Bowl to face Fresno State (Strange considering they were once WAC members). I saw on ESPN's Bottom Line that UTEP will accept the bid to the GMAC Bowl to face Toledo.

That means UCF will go to the Hawaii Bowl to Bucfan's Nevada Wolfpack.

Fresno St. really shouldnt be in a bowl game. They finished up third in their conference and now the WAC has three. THREE!!!! Pretty good for the WAC though. Congrats to the small time west coast conference that includes the team from the NorNev.

[WJMorris3]

Is it safe to peg OSU and Oregon now? As top-6 teams (4 and 5), they are guaranteed entry to the BCS.

[HedleyLamarr]

Clinched BCS Bowl bids:

Pac 10 - USC

Big XII - Texas

Big East - West Virginia

Big Ten - Penn State

SEC - Georgia

ACC - FSU (assuming the current score holds up)

Assuming the current order holds true, Ohio State and Oregon will move up to #4 and #5 in the BCS, respectively. Oregon would be the only 1-loss team that hasn't clinched a BCS spot, their only loss being to BCS #1 USC. Ohio State, the highest ranked 2-loss team, lost to BCS #2 Texas and #3 Penn State. Notre Dame, while having the most-storied history in college football, had 2 losses, including a loss to a team that didn't qualify for a bowl game. Plus, there's also 2-loss LSU, 2-loss Virginia Tech, 2-loss Miami, and 2-loss Auburn to throw in the mix.

Based on this info, which two of these teams is most deserving of getting the BCS at-large bids?

[WJMorris3]

I have a hunch that they're going to take OSU and ND.

I would take OSU and Oregon though. How can you leave out a team that's only got one loss?

[buzzcut]

Final Bowlology projections for 12-4-2005:

BCS

Rose: SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA vs. TEXAS

Orange: FLORIDA STATE vs. PENN STATE

Sugar: GEORGIA vs. WEST VIRGINIA

Fiesta: NOTRE DAME vs. OHIO STATE

Non-BCS

Capital One: Wisconsin vs. Auburn

Gator: LOUISVILLE vs. Virginia Tech

Cotton: Texas Tech vs. Louisiana State

Outback: Michigan vs. Alabama

Houston: TEXAS CHRISTIAN vs. Iowa State

Liberty: TULSA vs. FRESNO STATE

Meineke Car Care: North Carolina State vs. South Florida

Peach: Clemson vs. Florida

Independence: South Carolina vs. Colorado

Sun: Northwestern vs. UCLA

Music City: Minnesota vs. Georgia Tech

Holiday: Oregon vs. Oklahoma

Emerald: UTAH vs. Virginia

Alamo: Iowa vs. Nebraska

MPC Computers: BOISE STATE vs. Boston College

Insight: ARIZONA STATE vs. RUTGERS

Champs Sports: Miami vs. Missouri

Motor City: AKRON vs. Louisiana Tech

Hawaii: Central Florida vs. Nevada

Fort Worth: Houston vs. Kansas

Poinsettia: NAVY vs. COLORADO STATE

Las Vegas: BRIGHAM YOUNG vs. California

GMAC: UTEP vs. TOLEDO

New Orleans: ARKANSAS STATE vs. Memphis

[buzzcut]

And for those who want to scrap the BCS altogether and go back to the Old Jumbled Up System(complete with zero tie-ins for any bowl except for CC's), here is what I came up with today(Just for fun).

Tie-ins: ACC: Orange, Big East: Gator, Big Ten: Rose, Big 12-if from North division:Orange; if from South Division: Cotton, C-USA: Liberty, MAC: Motor City, Mountain West: Holiday, Pac-10: Rose, SEC: Sugar, Sun Belt: Independence, WAC: Hawaii

The matchups:

Rose: Southern California vs. Penn State

Orange: Florida State vs. Alabama

Sugar: Georgia vs. Ohio State

Fiesta: Notre Dame vs. Oregon

Cotton: Texas vs. Auburn

Gator: West Virginia vs. Miami

Capital One: Wisconsin vs. Virginia Tech

Outback: Louisiana State vs. UCLA

Houston: Memphis vs. Rutgers

Liberty: Tulsa vs. Navy

Meineke Car Care: Colorado vs. Clemson

Peach: Iowa vs. Boston College

Independence: Arkansas State vs. Louisiana Tech

Sun: Texas Tech vs. South Carolina

Music City: Virginia vs. Central Florida

Holiday: Texas Christian vs. Florida

Emerald: Fresno State vs. Kansas

Alamo: Michigan vs. Oklahoma

MPC Computers: Brigham Young vs. Missouri

Insight: Northwestern vs. Arizona State

Champs Sports: North Carolina State vs. South Florida

Motor City: Akron vs. Minnesota

Hawaii: Boise State vs. Louisville

Fort Worth: UTEP vs. Utah

Poinsettia: Colorado State vs. Nevada

Las Vegas: Nebraska vs. Georgia Tech

GMAC: Houston vs. California

New Orleans: Iowa State vs. Toledo

[BCBoy]

The bowl matchups are set! Oregon no where to be found.....

[Joshawaggie]

Music City Bowl: Minnesota vs Virginia

[jkrdevil]

I have a hunch that they're going to take OSU and ND.

I would take OSU and Oregon though. How can you leave out a team that's only got one loss?

All this controversy about at large bids and it disn't even matter. All teams automatically qualified for a BCS bid.

[DEAD!]

The bowl matchups are set! Oregon no where to be found.....

at least not in the BCS bowl games. Oregon is in the Holiday Bowl. I think it's punishment for those awful black jerseys that they wore