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"The McMurry University Board of Trustees decided at its Oct. 13 meeting that the best course of action for the school is to use no name for its athletic teams. This option means that McMurry athletic teams would simply be referred to, for example, as McMurry Men?s Basketball or McMurry Women's Basketball."

I found this VERY interesting. I attend Mississippi College and we are known as the Choctaws. We won our appeal with the NCAA. We compete in the same NCAA D3 conference as McMurry does, the American Southwest Conference. McMurry had previously been known as the Indians.

I think this is a clever and shrewd way to stick it to the NCAA. Pretty much they are saying that they will keep their identity, just not refer to it.

The full article continues as follows:

The action was in response to threats of sanctions from the NCAA towards McMurry for its use of a Native American nickname. A pair of appeals were denied. The announcement came on Homecoming weekend at the Abilene, Texas, school, a weekend which includes the Tipi Village exhibit, in which students build accurate replicas of tipis used by various Indian tribes, and the painting of the braves, in which the mothers of football players paint the faces of their sons before the game.

The school's Indian heritage is long-rooted, as founding president James Winford Hunt was born on a Kaw Indian reservation.

Having no athletic team name will allow McMurry?s athletic teams to remain in good standing with the NCAA and not subject them to the penalty of being barred from hosting postseason tournaments and potentially losing competitors who will not schedule games with "Indians."

McMurry?s president, Dr. John Russell said, "The Board and I believe that it is time to move on. It is time to focus our resources on creating more opportunities for our students. McMurry?s values are reflected less by what our athletic teams are called than by who we are and what we do. McMurry University has been committed to honoring Native Americans since its founding in 1923. Regardless of the NCAA position on our team names, we will continue to meet our commitment to honor the Native American and to the history and culture that has always defined McMurry."

Your thoughts on this, guys??

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This is exactly what my alma-mater Indiana Univ. of PA did several years ago. They then brought back the name "Indians" as a nickname, but used a bear as a mascot and had no native American imagry associated with their programs. I know they're on the NCAA's list, but I haven't been following their fight.

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This is exactly what my alma-mater Indiana Univ. of PA did several years ago. They then brought back the name "Indians" as a nickname, but used a bear as a mascot and had no native American imagry associated with their programs. I know they're on the NCAA's list, but I haven't been following their fight.

IUP sucks, GO SRU!

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This is exactly what my alma-mater Indiana Univ. of PA did several years ago. They then brought back the name "Indians" as a nickname, but used a bear as a mascot and had no native American imagry associated with their programs. I know they're on the NCAA's list, but I haven't been following their fight.

They still use the bear, and the NCAA basically has dropped the hammer on them, saying they have to drop "Indians." IUP's considering a number of alternatives now, among them :censored: like "Crimson Thunder."

/Yes, I went to IUP too.

IUP sucks, GO SRU!

Slippery Rock...

Slippery Rock...

Isn't Slippery Rock the school IUP used to kick the ever lovin' crap out of in football every year on their way to the NCAA Division II playoffs when I was there?

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OK, don't take this the wrong way because that's not my intentions...

Who is the NCAA? It's not like (forgive me if I'm wrong) they are headed by Native Americans fighting for cause.

Why now? These names have been there for 100 years for some of them. Is it bothering them now?

Why just NA names? I'm not mad about the "fighting Irish" I don't "fight" and I'm Irish.

Most, if not all of these names do it with class. Seminoles use their permission and it's the honor and pride of the name. I can see if you wanted the Wash "REDSKINS" changed or the logo for the Cleve "Indians" changed.

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The University of Illinois actually got the fight against their nickname, the Fighting Illini, dropped for various reasons (fighting refers to students who went to fight in WWI, Illini stems as much from another name for Illinois people as anything).

However, I think it's vary likely if that fight had gone on and the U of I decided to cooperate, all they would have done was ceased to have an official nickname. The fans would have continued to referred to the teams as the Illini, and not much else would change.

Now, the NCAA is still fighting the Chief, and as of now, the U of I is not complying.

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I thought that the Miami University Redskins should have done what McMurray is doing= Miami (the name of the tribe) would have been suitable as a nickname and the school name. They could have said Go Miami! Instead of Go Redskins. Miami would just be Miami. BUt instead they went with Redhawks. Lame.

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My favorite is still Carthage College in Wisconsin changing their nickname from the "Redmen" to the "Red Men." Their logo was previously a C in a circle with Indian feathers, now it's just dropped the feathers.

Sort of like Marquette who the administration, print and local media all refer to them as the Golden Eagles, but I'd argue most of the fans still refer to them as the Warriors.

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My favorite is still Carthage College in Wisconsin changing their nickname from the "Redmen" to the "Red Men." Their logo was previously a C in a circle with Indian feathers, now it's just dropped the feathers.

Sort of like Marquette who the administration, print and local media all refer to them as the Golden Eagles, but I'd argue most of the fans still refer to them as the Warriors.

that one was simply a placeholder...here's part of the real redesign by our very own pcgd (though the uniforms they went with are different from what pat designed)

http://www.pcgdstudios.com/carthage.html

redmen_football2.jpg

ladyreds_soccer2.jpg

carthage_fangear2.jpg

ladyreds_bball2.jpg

redmen_baseball.jpg

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this will set a nice precedent. any team that has a centilla of an offense in a name can simply change to their name to City SC(sports club) ie Washington Wizards to Washington Basketball Club or the Florida Gators to the Florida College Club.

exactly my thoughts...

we're about to get all soccery up in this mug. :)

how long until teams just give up, and get names like "red bull new york"?

in about 20 years, will we have "dr. pepper dallas" take on the "national car rental florida" in the "cialis stanley cup" on "nbc" brought to you by "mcdonalds, i'm lovin' it"

isn't it sad that we're punishing teams that have names like "fighting souix" but no one had a problem with red bull using their logo 4 or 5 places on the kits of the metrostars, including the primary crest?

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this will set a nice precedent. any team that has a centilla of an offense in a name can simply change to their name to City SC(sports club) ie Washington Wizards to Washington Basketball Club or the Florida Gators to the Florida College Club.

exactly my thoughts...

we're about to get all soccery up in this mug. :)

how long until teams just give up, and get names like "red bull new york"?

in about 20 years, will we have "dr. pepper dallas" take on the "national car rental florida" in the "cialis stanley cup" on "nbc" brought to you by "mcdonalds, i'm lovin' it"

isn't it sad that we're punishing teams that have names like "fighting souix" but no one had a problem with red bull using their logo 4 or 5 places on the kits of the metrostars, including the primary crest?

what you are stating is pretty much what is going to happen eventually because of out of control political cowardess. this logo offends this person, that logo offends that person eventually making the NFL, NHL, NBA, MLB in to soccer in respect to uniform and team names.

Today they come for the Fighting Sioux, tomorrow they'll come for the Yankees, the Packers, the Bears, the Redwings, the Canadiens, the Celtics, the Lakers.

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St. John's University (NYC) used to be the REDMEN. But the teams were not named with Native Americans in mind. They were named because at one time their teams dressed all in RED. Newspapermen back in the 1920s started referring to the Johnnies (another sobriquet used by SJU) as REDMEN to spice up their stories. The name was made official and somewhere along the line it evolved into a Native American-dressed mascot. They should go back to REDMEN using its original form- athletes dressed in RED. Then tell the NCAA where to stick it.

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This is exactly what my alma-mater Indiana Univ. of PA did several years ago. They then brought back the name "Indians" as a nickname, but used a bear as a mascot and had no native American imagry associated with their programs. I know they're on the NCAA's list, but I haven't been following their fight.

Wait, IUP tried to bring back the Indian mascot? Interesting. I remember my high school graphics teacher showing us the color-separated bear logo for a sweatshirt he was screen printing.

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