Josh Hancock dies in auto accident

[Fred T. Jane]

I'd say your off base here. I'm quite certain that any rational person would react similarly to the death of a non-athlete, given the same familiarity with the person. It just so happens that you're among a group of sports fans, so lo and behold, the story is relevant and the athlete happens to be a person with which this group in particular is familiar.

Oh, so folks 'round these parts make signatures and change their custom titles every time someone they're remotely acquainted with on a superficial level dies? Interesting.

It's not acceptable purely on the basis of other fans doing it, but it shows that it is not uncommon. And lest we forget, the burden of proof of such action being "unacceptable" is on the accuser, and I don't see a compelling, empirical case for that anywhere here. If there's a psychologist in the house who would like to make a ruling on whether such action is so despicable or dangerous that it should be prohibited, I'd be willing to listen. In the absence of that, I'd appreciate it if those of you holding the torches and pitchforks would back off on the judgmental and disparaging attitudes and "live and let live".

No, Pat's specific reasoning behind the statement was clearly that it's OK for Cardinals fans to use the term "we" because other fanbases do it too.

It's unfortunate, but no such tool is available to us moderators. As a result, we have higher expectations from our membership in terms of sensitivity and respect.

IPB's had it for almost 3 years now. It's quite the handy function.

[McCall]

It wasn't the "we," it was the "I am a Cardinal."

Weirdo.

I've said my piece on the matter. You'll hear nothing other than thoughts, info, or opinions on the death of Josh Hancock from me in this thread. Sorry to burst your insult bubble. You can't get to me anymore.

[STL FANATIC]

IPB's had it for almost 3 years now. It's quite the handy function.

Speaking here only as a moderator, Phil told you we do not have that tool. You finding that IPB has the capability to have that too is fine, but our moderator control panel does not have a split topic function. Phil was not lying to you. If you have a problem with the board software, take it up with the adminstrators, not the moderators. And regardless, you'll have to abide by the limitations set forth by the current software.

[Fred T. Jane]

Speaking here only as a moderator, Phil told you we do not have that tool. You finding that IPB has the capability to have that too is fine, but our moderator control panel does not have a split topic function. Phil was not lying to you. If you have a problem with the board software, take it up with the adminstrators, not the moderators. And regardless, you'll have to abide by the limitations set forth by the current software.

Consider it a tip.

[Milo Meningocele]

Consider it a tip.

That's what she said.

[Fred T. Jane]

Consider it a tip.

That's what she said.

Snap.

[FiddySicks]

IPB's had it for almost 3 years now. It's quite the handy function.

Woah, thats like this boards twin sister, with HUGE......

Avatars

[BBTV]

I hope when the Phillies visit St. Louis that Pat Burrell and a couple of the relievers go boozing at Mike Shannon's then go cruising.

EDIT: I also hope that no innocent people are injured while they are cruising, only Burrell and the relievers. It will hurt, like losing some members of the family, but some how I think I'll get by.

Start bashing me... NOW.

[DG_ThenNowForever]

BBTV, you idiot, it's cruising!

[BBTV]

BBTV, you idiot, it's cruising!

D'oh. Ficksed.

[Jigga]

ST. LOUIS -- St. Louis Cardinals pitcher Josh Hancock was drunk at the time of his fatal accident, and marijuana was found in the sport utility vehicle he was driving.

Police Chief Joe Mokwa also said at a news conference Friday that the 29-year-old Hancock was speaking on a cell phone at about the time of the crash early Sunday on Interstate 64 in St. Louis.

"Mr. Hancock was legally intoxicated at the time of the accident," Mokwa said.

The...rest...of the story. I feel for his family, but damn, how :censored:ing stupid can you be?

Now, to all you "WE" fanboys, too bad you guys in the Cardinal "family" couldn't have helped steer this meathead into shaping up. The guy was born 17 days after me, so you can't just say he was just a kid. He was 29 years old. He should have been acting like a grown ass man not like a fratboy on Spring Break, and his "family" should have helped him right?

[leedsunited]

Wow, the more and more I hear about this guy and what he was doing, the less respect I have for the guy. Thank god he didn't take out a poor, innocent family that may have been travelling on the same road.

29 years old and still acting the damn fool.

[HurricaneDavid]

Josh Hancock was a big part of St. Louis winning the World Series, and a really good pitcher. Most of all though, he was a stellar Human!!!

This is quite possibly the dumbest post I have ever read on this site.

Stellar humans don't drive with a BAC twice the legal limit with drugs in the car without wearing a seatbelt while on the cell phone and speeding. PERIOD.

I don't care how big of a Cardinals fan you are... I can't imagine why anyone would want to put a picture of this most IRRESPONSIBLE person in their signature.

[Jigga]

Because he IS a Cardinal! Weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!

[fiasco!]

Natural selection works again.

[leedsunited]

Josh Hancock was a big part of St. Louis winning the World Series, and a really good pitcher. Most of all though, he was a stellar Human!!!

This is quite possibly the dumbest post I have ever read on this site.

Stellar humans don't drive with a BAC twice the legal limit with drugs in the car without wearing a seatbelt while on the cell phone and speeding. PERIOD.

I don't care how big of a Cardinals fan you are... I can't imagine why anyone would want to put a picture of this most IRRESPONSIBLE person in their signature.

Don't forget the texting the stripper part. I love that.

[Phil]

I'm not going to tell you what to think, but take this, my perspective on the matter, for what you will.

Absolutely it was entirely irresponsible and extremely dangerous for Hancock to be doing what he was. He took his and others lives into his own hands, and ultimately paid the largest price of all.

However, I think most appropriate at this time is not to revel in the removal of this man's life, but to recognize that somebody's son, somebody's friend, somebody's hero has died here.

He may have been doing something extraordinarily stupid, but he won't get the chance to learn from his mistake. Any potential for redemption here is lost, and the almost unlimited potential for future good has gone with it.

He may have crafted the perfect cocktail for ending his life - drinking, driving, and talking on a cell phone - and he should've known better. Anyone, regardless of age, should know better.

But who among us has never done something that we absolutely knew we shouldn't do? Who among us hasn't been selfish at one point or another in the past, occasionally to the point of putting others at risk of being hurt, if not killed? I'd guess most of us have never had to live with the consequences of the worst case scenario coming out.

His family and friends do. And I believe that's reason enough to think twice before revelling in, or mocking the mourning of, this death.

[slapshot]

Natural selection works again.

Karma.

[STL FANATIC]

Dumb people aren't bad people and most definitely don't deserve to die.

But certainly this was incredibly dumb choices he made that night, and thank God nobody else was hurt in a physical way by those choices.

Hopefully at least one person will be familar with this story and change thier mind about drinking and getting behind the wheel (and/or being on the cellphone as I suspect that had just as much to do with this--reaction time slowed, but he probably didn't see the truck because of being on the phone and not paying attention).

He still left a legacy that touched many people and should be remembered. Perhaps this fatal mistake tarnishes it, but it ought not erase it.

[DG_ThenNowForever]

I'm sorry...he pitched for a baseball team. Is there another legacy I should be aware of?

EDIT: That is to say, I never heard of him until he died. The mourning en masse -- especially after it was revealed he could have easily killed others along the way -- doesn't add up.

And Phil, the "who among us" nonsense completely invalidates what the Internet's all about. We flock to message boards principally so we can judge others while ignoring our own foibles. Don't ruin that for us -- we need it.