EliteXC goes out of business.

[TFoA]

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So basically, when Kimbo Slice lost that fight, in 14 seconds Elite XC went out of business, and MMA as a prime time event went out of business.

Oh well. At least UFC is still going strong. UFC 90 is going to be a BEAST of an event this Saturday.

[Still MIGHTY]

I think this will help MMA and UFC.

I know that there was a lot of casual fans that didnt know the difference and didnt know where to go to really watch what MMA is.

If anything, I think this will help UFC grow stronger, unify MMA, and get bigger, better, pap-per-view and primetime fights on.

Definite Plus for UFC/MMA.

Now if we could only get rid of PRIDE...?

[officeglenn]

Now if we could only get rid of PRIDE...?

UFC bought PRIDE a couple of years ago, I think it was. They just continue to operate it as one of their brands in Japan.

[TFoA]

I think this will help MMA and UFC.

I know that there was a lot of casual fans that didnt know the difference and didnt know where to go to really watch what MMA is.

If anything, I think this will help UFC grow stronger, unify MMA, and get bigger, better, pap-per-view and primetime fights on.

Definite Plus for UFC/MMA.

Now if we could only get rid of PRIDE...?

That's what I'm thinking. If anybody benefited from this, it has to be UFC. Hell, Dana White was the main one saying that EliteXC was a sham. Turns out it was. UFC's still the king of the hill, and will continue to be. PRIDE was their main competitor when it came to worldwide, and they ended up buying them out.

UFC needs to get Fedor in their ring though. That'd be freakin awesome.

[burgundy]

So basically, when Kimbo Slice lost that fight, in 14 seconds Elite XC went out of business, and MMA as a prime time event went out of business.

Actually, EliteXC was going out of business long before the Kimbo disaster. They've apparently been losing money on every event that they've held thanks to a bad tv deal with showtime, and didn't expect to make it through to the end of the year.

[TFoA]

So basically, when Kimbo Slice lost that fight, in 14 seconds Elite XC went out of business, and MMA as a prime time event went out of business.

Actually, EliteXC was going out of business long before the Kimbo disaster. They've apparently been losing money on every event that they've held thanks to a bad tv deal with showtime, and didn't expect to make it through to the end of the year.

That's true, but the whole thing surrounding the massive L that Kimbo took supposedly expedited the death. You could liken it to someone having a terminal disease, but instead of dying by that, they died via car accident.

[Jigga]

Good riddance to bad rubbish.

[burgundy]

So basically, when Kimbo Slice lost that fight, in 14 seconds Elite XC went out of business, and MMA as a prime time event went out of business.

Actually, EliteXC was going out of business long before the Kimbo disaster. They've apparently been losing money on every event that they've held thanks to a bad tv deal with showtime, and didn't expect to make it through to the end of the year.

That's true, but the whole thing surrounding the massive L that Kimbo took supposedly expedited the death. You could liken it to someone having a terminal disease, but instead of dying by that, they died via car accident.

True. Life's a mercifully twisted bitch. The sooner the agony ended, the better for all.

[Still MIGHTY]

I think this will help MMA and UFC.

I know that there was a lot of casual fans that didnt know the difference and didnt know where to go to really watch what MMA is.

If anything, I think this will help UFC grow stronger, unify MMA, and get bigger, better, pap-per-view and primetime fights on.

Definite Plus for UFC/MMA.

Now if we could only get rid of PRIDE...?

That's what I'm thinking. If anybody benefited from this, it has to be UFC. Hell, Dana White was the main one saying that EliteXC was a sham. Turns out it was. UFC's still the king of the hill, and will continue to be. PRIDE was their main competitor when it came to worldwide, and they ended up buying them out.

UFC needs to get Fedor in their ring though. That'd be freakin awesome.

Ah, i hadn't realized...

I can't think of any other true "Major" MMA league/event... There is WEC on Versus, but is that considered major enought? and I know there was Affliction, but that's mostly a promotional cross event by the clothing/promotion company. There has only been one Afficition event and a second one coming up in January. Both are in Honda Center (The Pond) in Anaheim.

And yeah Fedor is awesome. He was the main card Heavyweight fight at the first Affliction event. 36 second submission win over Tim Sylvia for the newly created WAMMA (World Association of MMA) Heavyweight Championship. Dude is a beast.

[TFoA]

And it wasn't even like Tim Sylvia sucked or anything like that. Dude was a former heavyweight champ in UFC and Fedor went into that ring and WHUPPED HIS ASS. Best pound-for-pound fighter in the world, IMO. Silva's #2.

[Mac the Knife]

So basically, when Kimbo Slice lost that fight, in 14 seconds Elite XC went out of business, and MMA as a prime time event went out of business.

Actually, EliteXC was going out of business long before the Kimbo disaster. They've apparently been losing money on every event that they've held thanks to a bad tv deal with showtime, and didn't expect to make it through to the end of the year.

I don't quite understand how this could happen though.

Any business model for this sort of enterprise worth its weight in anything would predicate its controllable expenses (i.e., payments to bout participants) on income generated. Granted their CBS/Showtime deal may have sucked wind, but in such cases you (i) get CBS/Showtime to agree to absorb some of the operating costs (either in the form of paying for some of the static expenses or, alternately, paying a per-bout stipend directly to the fighters), and (ii) base your controllable expenses on an income model wherever and whenever possible.

If a fighter doesn't want to fight for the money he's offered in such a scenario, let him walk - there are others who'd line up for the opportunity. The public awareness of the MMA product on the whole isn't so vast that the drop in quality of fighter will be noticed in all honesty, and with lower per-bout costs you can spend more money promoting events and generating revenue, thus 'feeding the beast' as it were.

[officeglenn]

I can't think of any other true "Major" MMA league/event... There is WEC on Versus, but is that considered major enought?

WEC is basically a farm system for UFC. And Affliction will more than likely be a flash in the pan as far as promoting MMA events, especially given the big names they were bringing in while only starting up, and that they were partnering with EliteXC on the most recent Saturday Night Fights card.

[burgundy]

So basically, when Kimbo Slice lost that fight, in 14 seconds Elite XC went out of business, and MMA as a prime time event went out of business.

Actually, EliteXC was going out of business long before the Kimbo disaster. They've apparently been losing money on every event that they've held thanks to a bad tv deal with showtime, and didn't expect to make it through to the end of the year.

I don't quite understand how this could happen though.

Any business model for this sort of enterprise worth its weight in anything would predicate its controllable expenses (i.e., payments to bout participants) on income generated. Granted their CBS/Showtime deal may have sucked wind, but in such cases you (i) get CBS/Showtime to agree to absorb some of the operating costs (either in the form of paying for some of the static expenses or, alternately, paying a per-bout stipend directly to the fighters), and (ii) base your controllable expenses on an income model wherever and whenever possible.

If a fighter doesn't want to fight for the money he's offered in such a scenario, let him walk - there are others who'd line up for the opportunity. The public awareness of the MMA product on the whole isn't so vast that the drop in quality of fighter will be noticed in all honesty, and with lower per-bout costs you can spend more money promoting events and generating revenue, thus 'feeding the beast' as it were.

Well, I guess that just shows how terribly this thing was run. They had no business sense whatsoever.

[sc49erfan15]

Am I the only person in the world that doesn't care about UFC or MMA or whatever?

[-kj]

Am I the only person in the world that doesn't care about UFC or MMA or whatever?

Nope. But, given the amount of crap I give people for doing the same thing to soccer threads, I'm not going to piss all over it in here.

[rvrdgsfn]

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So basically, when Kimbo Slice lost that fight, in 14 seconds Elite XC went out of business, and MMA as a prime time event went out of business.

Oh well. At least UFC is still going strong. UFC 90 is going to be a BEAST of an event this Saturday.

It better be, although, I dunno anyone that can take down Anderson Silva. He's a unstoppable beast.

[buzzcut]

Am I the only person in the world that doesn't care about UFC or MMA or whatever?

Nope, I'm with ya on this. I don't get all this hullabaloo.

[dfwabel]

I can't think of any other true "Major" MMA league/event... There is WEC on Versus, but is that considered major enought?

WEC is basically a farm system for UFC. And Affliction will more than likely be a flash in the pan as far as promoting MMA events, especially given the big names they were bringing in while only starting up, and that they were partnering with EliteXC on the most recent Saturday Night Fights card.

WEC is a UFC-owned property, but they just dropped their two highest weight classes (Lt. heavyweight and Middleweight). While the UFC gets an audience on PPV, their tickets prices may have to be lovered for this economy, and the Fertitta Bros. (Station Casinos) are experiencing a business downturn like all Las Vegas properties.

For fun, visit mmapayout.com on Monday to see how poorly paid some of the "top level" fighters are. It is staggering.

[Sodboy13]

Am I the only person in the world that doesn't care about UFC or MMA or whatever?

Nope. But then again, I follow hockey, so different strokes for different folks. Hell, some people like golf.

[illwauk]

As a very casual fan of MMA, I've gotta ask what is the difference between UFC and all the other promotions? Are the fighters exclusive to one promotion or another like in pro wrestling, or are they independent contractors that happen to be sanctioned like in boxing (WBA, WBC, IBF, etc.)?