Cisco Field DEAD IN THE WATER

[Burmy]

http://www.ballparkdigest.com/news/index.h...article_id=1048

I think they should move to Sacramento...home to their AAA affiliate and the most successful team in minor-league baseball (both on and off the field).

[dfwabel]

http://www.ballparkdigest.com/news/index.h...article_id=1048

I think they should move to Sacramento...home to their AAA affiliate and the most successful team in minor-league baseball (both on and off the field).

Posted on Saturday under the MLB 2009 thread:

http://boards.sportslogos.net/index.php?sh...p;#entry1118513

[The_Admiral]

Well, let's have a thread for it anyway. I'm sick of macrothreads.

[McCall]

To stay in Northern California, I'd say San Jose would be the best option (the Giants' stronghold on Santa Clara County has seemed to be loosened a tad per Bud Selig's earlier comments), Sacramento as the 2nd best, and Oakland as a 3rd, mainly because of the history, or lack there of, when dealing with the stadium issue in the city in the past.

[JamieRose]

http://www.ballparkdigest.com/news/index.h...article_id=1048

I think they should move to Sacramento...home to their AAA affiliate and the most successful team in minor-league baseball (both on and off the field).

Posted on Saturday under the MLB 2009 thread:

http://boards.sportslogos.net/index.php?sh...p;#entry1118513

Hopefully Joel got the point across, even if he ruffled some feathers in doing so. That point being, that we all get tired of people telling us that certain big news is already being discussed in the 112 page thread across the street. Or that we all have missed an unveiling of some sort because we don't follow all those threads on a day-to-day page-to-page basis.

Anyway, i was really pulling for Cisco Field, more as a former Cisco Networking student than as a fan. Either way, I do hope to see the A's in a true baseball stadium sooner than later, as I'm not a huge fan of the Coliseum for baseball games.

[ferrousoxide66]

contraction time.

[FiddySicks]

http://www.ballparkdigest.com/news/index.h...article_id=1048

I think they should move to Sacramento...home to their AAA affiliate and the most successful team in minor-league baseball (both on and off the field).

Oh man, the sound of that just makes me melt. The Sacramento Athletics. I LOVE IT!!!!! And the more this process goes along, the more realistic it's becoming.

[BJ Sands]

contraction time.

No.

[McCall]

contraction time.

Ok, we'll start with you.

[The_Admiral]

Contraction is stupid. No.

I don't know the region all that well, but there has to be somewhere in Alameda County that they can build a park. I know the Giants are popular and all, but just because there's another team across town doesn't mean they should just abandon the whole thing and move out to Sacramento. The Mets, Angels, and White Sox are all able to survive despite a more popular team in the market. If teams can co-exist with the New York Yankees and Chicago Cubs, two of the most popular sports teams in America, certainly the A's can co-exist with the Giants. So maybe they need a new and aesthetically pleasing park. Okay. I'd still rather have the SFBA media market to make money in than Sacramento.

Let's all be glad that we escaped that horrible "Silicon Valley A's at Fremont" proposed name. Yeesh.

[dfwabel]

Contraction is stupid. No.

I don't know the region all that well, but there has to be somewhere in Alameda County that they can build a park. I know the Giants are popular and all, but just because there's another team across town doesn't mean they should just abandon the whole thing and move out to Sacramento. The Mets, Angels, and White Sox are all able to survive despite a more popular team in the market. If teams can co-exist with the New York Yankees and Chicago Cubs, two of the most popular sports teams in America, certainly the A's can co-exist with the Giants. So maybe they need a new and aesthetically pleasing park. Okay. I'd still rather have the SFBA media market to make money in than Sacramento.

Let's all be glad that we escaped that horrible "Silicon Valley A's at Fremont" proposed name. Yeesh.

There are not any favorable areas in Alameda County suitbale. Schools districts are closing schools and laying off teachers, home foreclosures are on teh rise and no city can really commit for the infrastructure for a stadium plan. Then we get to roads, which the state (who just passed a budget 6 months late) won't pay for for a stadium. I am not sure what teh answer is for the team, but unless Wulff fronts all the costs, there isn't much of an option. The Giants lease the land on which AT&T Park sits from the Port of SF at market value; it was not given to them by the city, plus they privately financed the entire deal. That's extremely difficult to do.

[TampaBayEverybodyLovesRays]

The Vancouver Athletics, anyone?

[FiddySicks]

Contraction is stupid. No.

I don't know the region all that well, but there has to be somewhere in Alameda County that they can build a park. I know the Giants are popular and all, but just because there's another team across town doesn't mean they should just abandon the whole thing and move out to Sacramento. The Mets, Angels, and White Sox are all able to survive despite a more popular team in the market. If teams can co-exist with the New York Yankees and Chicago Cubs, two of the most popular sports teams in America, certainly the A's can co-exist with the Giants. So maybe they need a new and aesthetically pleasing park. Okay. I'd still rather have the SFBA media market to make money in than Sacramento.

Let's all be glad that we escaped that horrible "Silicon Valley A's at Fremont" proposed name. Yeesh.

There are not any favorable areas in Alameda County suitbale. Schools districts are closing schools and laying off teachers, home foreclosures are on teh rise and no city can really commit for the infrastructure for a stadium plan. Then we get to roads, which the state (who just passed a budget 6 months late) won't pay for for a stadium. I am not sure what teh answer is for the team, but unless Wulff fronts all the costs, there isn't much of an option. The Giants lease the land on which AT&T Park sits from the Port of SF at market value; it was not given to them by the city, plus they privately financed the entire deal. That's extremely difficult to do.

Exactly. And Sacramento already has a stadium that was originally built with the idea that it could easily be expanded for a major league team. Unfortunately, Alameda county just doesn't have room or the money. Plus, the park in Sacramento would be easily one of the best parks in the league.

[dfwabel]

Contraction is stupid. No.

I don't know the region all that well, but there has to be somewhere in Alameda County that they can build a park. I know the Giants are popular and all, but just because there's another team across town doesn't mean they should just abandon the whole thing and move out to Sacramento. The Mets, Angels, and White Sox are all able to survive despite a more popular team in the market. If teams can co-exist with the New York Yankees and Chicago Cubs, two of the most popular sports teams in America, certainly the A's can co-exist with the Giants. So maybe they need a new and aesthetically pleasing park. Okay. I'd still rather have the SFBA media market to make money in than Sacramento.

Let's all be glad that we escaped that horrible "Silicon Valley A's at Fremont" proposed name. Yeesh.

There are not any favorable areas in Alameda County suitbale. Schools districts are closing schools and laying off teachers, home foreclosures are on the rise and no city can really commit for the infrastructure for a stadium plan. Then we get to roads, which the state (who just passed a budget 6 months late) won't pay for for a stadium. I am not sure what the answer is for the team, but unless Wulff fronts all the costs, there isn't much of an option. The Giants lease the land on which AT&T Park sits from the Port of SF at market value; it was not given to them by the city, plus they privately financed the entire deal. That's extremely difficult to do.

Exactly. And Sacramento already has a stadium that was originally built with the idea that it could easily be expanded for a major league team. Unfortunately, Alameda county just doesn't have room or the money. Plus, the park in Sacramento would be easily one of the best parks in the league.

Now is the city ready to either choose to either bid for the Athletics or to save the Kings? For the forseeable future, their is not enough money for Sacramento to do both and you have a former NBA player as your mayor. Easily expanded still will cost millions as the demands of an MLB will just increase. Raley Field has what 35 suites, less than a 1,000 club seats and a capacity of what? 15, 000? What would they consider to be MLB ready in terms of overall capacity and premium seats?

[NoHoJoe]

The Vancouver Athletics, anyone?

Yes!!!!

If not, Portland, Oregon!

[rams80]

The Vancouver Athletics, anyone?

Yes!!!!

If not, Portland, Oregon!

Knowing your track record, I thought you were going to advocate Philadelphia.

[DEAD!]

The Vancouver Athletics, anyone?

Yes!!!!

If not, Portland, Oregon!

Knowing your track record, I thought you were going to advocate Philadelphia.

Or maybe Kansas City, because we all know they are dying for a major league baseball team....

[The_Admiral]

I'm looking at the vaunted Raley Field. I dunno, guys. It's not blowing me away.

That's basically every AAA park. Small grandstand, lawn beyond the outfield, so on, so forth. I guess you could add more seats down the foul line, but it would look somewhat tacked-on (not that Mt. Davis is a beauty), and that's not taking into account luxury suites and all that really important stuff. After all the expenses to make it acceptable to host visits from the Yankees and Red Sox, it still wouldn't be a permanent solution. They'd probably have to build another park, and Sacramento is struggling to keep the Kings in town, which wouldn't even be nearly as expensive as bringing the A's to town.

As for being one of the best parks in the league, by what metric, exactly? Yankee Stadium is bigger. Fenway Park is more iconic. Camden Yards is cooler. Kauffman Stadium is just plain beautiful. Angel Stadium is probably a better all-around entertainment experience. I guess it'll be better than Tropicana Field and the Skydome just by virtue of having natural grass, but a repurposed minor league park is not going to surpass established quality ballparks. You're fooling yourself if you say that and mean it.

I don't know. Now's just a bad time to worry about this stuff. The A's are just going to have to make the best of their situation, I guess. Look back just 15 years or so at some of the dumps around the bigs: Three Rivers, the Vet, Riverfront, Busch II, the Astrodome, Olympic Stadium, both County Stadia, the Kingdome, Dolphin Stadium (oops that's still there, huh), and Candlestick. Baseball fans tolerated some horrible venues in order to watch the game. The Oakland Coliseum isn't ideal, but it's still a better park than all of those places, and the A's have been able to get people in the building before. Maybe AT&T Park is going to fall out of people's price ranges, and cheaper tickets to A's games will look more attractive. After all, don't most Bay Area fans claim to like both teams? I don't know why, but I want to believe in Oakland.

[infrared41]

The Vancouver Athletics, anyone?

Yes!!!!

If not, Portland, Oregon!

Las Vegas Athletics. Or how about one that's really coming out of left field? The Oklahoma City Athletics.

To the person that mentioned contraction, if they can't get it done in NoCal there are plenty of other places to put The A's. The USA is a pretty big place. So is Canada. And we haven't even discussed the possibility of The Mexico City Athletics.

[The_Admiral]

Because we're not out of our goddamn gourds, probably.