2012 MLB Season

[Kramerica Industries]

A's walk-off with the win once more in 15 innings against Tampa Bay.

[BigEd76]

Victorino was just traded to the Dodgers for Josh Lindblom, AA righty starter Ethan Martin and cash or PTBNL

[BrySmalls]

It's the trade deadline today! The most amusing rumor I've read all day is that the Marlins are trying to unload Carlos Lee.

Yes, you have read that correctly! The Fish are trying to trade a player that they acquired 27 days ago. This scenario is similar to the Mike Pizza trades of 1998; however, unlike then, Lee doesn't have much power these days, unless he experiences a renaissance with a new club.

[pmoehrin]

It's the trade deadline today! The most amusing rumor I've read all day is that the Marlins are trying to unload Carlos Lee.

Yes, you have read that correctly! The Fish are trying to trade a player that they acquired 27 days ago. This scenario is similar to the Mike Pizza trades of 1998; however, unlike then, Lee doesn't have much power these days, unless he experience a renaissance with a new club.

Well there's rumors that they're already trying to unload Jose Reyes, so I can't say I'm that surprised.

You had to know given Loria's history that if the team didn't have instant success with the increased payroll there was going to be a fire sale and that appears to be exactly what's happening now.

It was fun while it lasted, but I think the Marlins are going right back to business as usual which is hoarding prospects with the hopes that you can win a make a playoff run but never being serious about building a team that can be successful long term.

[FiddySicks]

Victorino was just traded to the Dodgers for Josh Lindblom and AA righty starter Ethan Martin

So let me get this straight. The Dodgers have traded for Hanley Ramirez, Brandon League, Shane Victorino, and have a good shot at getting Ryan Dempster. Right after the Dodgers owners dropped 2 billion dollars on the team. The Giants on the other hand, have traded for Marco Freaking Scutaro and are claiming they don't have the money to add any more salary. Two years removed from a World Series win and are at the highest profit margin they've ever had.

With the Dodgers making an enormous push towards the playoffs and the Giants sitting on their asses counting their money, Is there any point in even watching the rest of the season?

[njmeadowlanders]

Well they just added Hunter Pence...

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It's the trade deadline today! The most amusing rumor I've read all day is that the Marlins are trying to unload Carlos Lee.

Yes, you have read that correctly! The Fish are trying to trade a player that they acquired 27 days ago. This scenario is similar to the Mike Pizza trades of 1998; however, unlike then, Lee doesn't have much power these days, unless he experience a renaissance with a new club.

Well there's rumors that they're already trying to unload Jose Reyes, so I can't say I'm that surprised.

You had to know given Loria's history that if the team didn't have instant success with the increased payroll there was going to be a fire sale and that appears to be exactly what's happening now.

It was fun while it lasted, but I think the Marlins are going right back to business as usual which is hoarding prospects with the hopes that you can win a make a playoff run but never being serious about building a team that can be successful long term.

The day he signed that contract I made a bet w/ a friend that he's a Yankee by December 2013.

[FiddySicks]

Is that official? All I've heard for the past three days are rumors. It'll be a good pick up as long as we don't do something stupid like trading Gary Brown for him.

[DarkJourney]

Is that official? All I've heard for the past three days are rumors. It'll be a good pick up as long as we don't do something stupid like trading Gary Brown for him.

From reports it looks like Gary Brown is not involved in the trade. Looks like it will be AA catching prospect Tommy Joseph.

[Kramerica Industries]

The only player I'm hoping doesn't get traded from any of the sellers, is Cliff Lee.

He deserves to be stuck in a rapidly-disintegrating organization like that of the Phillies.

[pmoehrin]

The only player I'm hoping doesn't get traded from any of the sellers, is Cliff Lee.

He deserves to be stuck in a rapidly-disintegrating organization like that of the Phillies.

He might wind up staying up staying in Philly. I wouldn't trade for him if I was a GM.

He's always been a bit of a headcase and my fear as a GM would be he's turned into one of these I got mine and now I'm done trying type of players, but even if he's not at the very least I would say he has to be pitching for a contender in order for him to care. And this is a guy with a huge long term contract. What's to say that if I make a deal for him he's not going to start moaning and groaning again in two years if come the trade deadline my team is six or seven games out of the wildcard?

Talented pitcher, but comes with alot of baggage.

[BrySmalls]

It's the trade deadline today! The most amusing rumor I've read all day is that the Marlins are trying to unload Carlos Lee.

Yes, you have read that correctly! The Fish are trying to trade a player that they acquired 27 days ago. This scenario is similar to the Mike Pizza trades of 1998; however, unlike then, Lee doesn't have much power these days, unless he experience a renaissance with a new club.

Well there's rumors that they're already trying to unload Jose Reyes, so I can't say I'm that surprised.

You had to know given Loria's history that if the team didn't have instant success with the increased payroll there was going to be a fire sale and that appears to be exactly what's happening now.

It was fun while it lasted, but I think the Marlins are going right back to business as usual which is hoarding prospects with the hopes that you can win a make a playoff run but never being serious about building a team that can be successful long term.

Yes, Loria is quite the con artist. How much money is the new stadium for the Marlins costing taxpayers?

However, I'm forever grateful that he wasn't given reigns to the Nationals.

[pmoehrin]

It's the trade deadline today! The most amusing rumor I've read all day is that the Marlins are trying to unload Carlos Lee.

Yes, you have read that correctly! The Fish are trying to trade a player that they acquired 27 days ago. This scenario is similar to the Mike Pizza trades of 1998; however, unlike then, Lee doesn't have much power these days, unless he experience a renaissance with a new club.

Well there's rumors that they're already trying to unload Jose Reyes, so I can't say I'm that surprised.

You had to know given Loria's history that if the team didn't have instant success with the increased payroll there was going to be a fire sale and that appears to be exactly what's happening now.

It was fun while it lasted, but I think the Marlins are going right back to business as usual which is hoarding prospects with the hopes that you can win a make a playoff run but never being serious about building a team that can be successful long term.

Yes, Loria is quite the con artist. How much money is the new stadium for the Marlins costing taxpayers?

However, I'm forever grateful that he wasn't given reigns to the Nationals.

He's like George Steinbrenner if George Steinbrenner was a penny pincher.

As for the stadium I know there's an ongoing investigation with the SEC over the financing. We'll see if anything comes of it. I would be more shocked if there wasn't graft involved getting the stadium built because it was never put to a public vote because it would fail at the polls 100 times out of 100 if it was. And I don't think politician in their right mind would vote for something that unpopular unless they were allowed to wet their beak so to say. Again though I'll believe people are going to jail over it when I see it.

[BigEd76]

Is that official? All I've heard for the past three days are rumors. It'll be a good pick up as long as we don't do something stupid like trading Gary Brown for him.

From reports it looks like Gary Brown is not involved in the trade. Looks like it will be AA catching prospect Tommy Joseph.

Also rumors that Schierholtz might be in the deal...

[FiddySicks]

Is that official? All I've heard for the past three days are rumors. It'll be a good pick up as long as we don't do something stupid like trading Gary Brown for him.

From reports it looks like Gary Brown is not involved in the trade. Looks like it will be AA catching prospect Tommy Joseph.

Also rumors that Schierholtz might be in the deal...

Not surprising considering he asked for a trade the other day. He's a bay area kid and a good fielder, but he couldn't hit water if he fell out of a boat. He won't be missed much.

[ninersdd]

Is that official? All I've heard for the past three days are

rumors. It'll be a good pick up as long as we don't do something stupid like trading Gary Brown for him.

From reports it looks like Gary Brown is not involved in the trade. Looks like it will be AA catching prospect Tommy

Joseph.

Also rumors that Schierholtz might be in the deal...

Not surprising considering he asked for a trade the other day. He's a bay area kid and a good fielder, but he couldn't hit water if he fell out of a boat. He won't be missed much.

Agreed mostly. He didn't seem like he was that bad of a hitter although there were times when he swung at pitches that hit his back foot. Also it is weird seeing the Phils be sellers after all of their success recently.

[pmoehrin]

Also it is weird seeing the Phils be sellers after all of their success recently.

A little but you had to know it was coming eventually. It was well documented that the team overspent for years and couldn't afford to keep this current team together much beyond another year, so the second they dropped off the radar I don't think they had much of a choice.

Its a sad day for Phillie fans because today really marks the end of an era. They might still be a solid team in years to come, but its going to be a long time before they get a team with the talent level they had from '07-'11.

In terms of the Dodgers deal, the addition of Victorino I think gives them hands down the best defensive outfield in baseball. They're going to have a gold glove centerfielder playing left, and two other gold glovers in center and right.

The only real weakness the Dodgers still have is at first base. If Mark Ellis can stay healthy you may see them go with Jerry Hairston at first when Dee Gordon comes back. Just cannot justify a .260 singles hitter a first and that's exactly what James Loney has turned into.

[BigEd76]

Pence (and some cash) for Joseph, Schierholtz and Augusta righty reliever Seth Rosin...done deal

[NEW.ERA]

So AA has one hour to either decide if he's content with the Jays skimming along at a .500 pace, or to go for it.

It's been 19 years, when is it okay to say that failure isn't an option anymore? Sure we could be great next year, or the year after. But it seems like that's what we've been hearing for the last 5 years.

I'm also quite positive we'd be in a wild card spot, had Morrow, Drabek, and Hutchinson not all go down.

[pmoehrin]

So AA has one hour to either decide if he's content with the Jays skimming along at a .500 pace, or to go for it.

It's been 19 years, when is it okay to say that failure isn't an option anymore? Sure we could be great next year, or the year after. But it seems like that's what we've been hearing for the last 5 years.

I'm also quite positive we'd be in a wild card spot, had Morrow, Drabek, and Hutchinson not all go down.

What gets me with the Blue Jays is that even though they haven't been to the playoffs since '93, they've had some pretty good teams in that time span. They've only had two years since where their winning percentage was under .450, multiple Cy Young award winners and multiple players who have finished in the top ten in MVP voting. A team with that history should have multiple playoff appearances. They just have the bad luck of playing in the same division as the most successful baseball team in the last 20 years and argubly the second most successful team in the American League over the last 20 years.

In terms of the most snake bitten franchise over the past 20 years they've got my vote. No other team has done more while at the same time accomplishing absolutely nothing.

[NEW.ERA]

So AA has one hour to either decide if he's content with the Jays skimming along at a .500 pace, or to go for it.

It's been 19 years, when is it okay to say that failure isn't an option anymore? Sure we could be great next year, or the year after. But it seems like that's what we've been hearing for the last 5 years.

I'm also quite positive we'd be in a wild card spot, had Morrow, Drabek, and Hutchinson not all go down.

What gets me with the Blue Jays is that even though they haven't been to the playoffs since '93, they've had some pretty good teams in that time span. They've only had two years since where their winning percentage was under .450, multiple Cy Young award winners and multiple players who have finished in the top ten in MVP voting. A team with that history should have multiple playoff appearances. They just have the bad luck of playing in the same division as the most successful baseball team in the last 20 years and argubly the second most successful team in the American League over the last 20 years.

It's funny. The Jays could spend if they wanted to they just never do. AA hasn't signed any crazy free agents like the clown before him, which is totally fine, but when a team like the Yankees have a pretty sub par farm system, can just keep spending and making waves because they're the Yankees. It really sucks, once the Jays missed the playoffs for the first time after 93' You can say that's when the Yanks decided to go all in again, after a less than great 80's and early 90's, same goes for the Sawks after 1997 I'd say.

Yes we can point to the Rays model, but once all their guys hit open market, no way they can bring them back. Baltimore, I really don't know what their problem is. Most likely the all mighty dollar. This division blows, and I hate it. But no point in complaining, it'll just make making the playoffs even more sweet, but until that day comes. I guess we're the best 85-77 ballclub money can buy.