2013-14 NCAA College Basketball Thread

[Burkell007]

My first 4 games:

Cal poly vs Texas southern

Mount saint Mary's vs wofford

Stanford vs Louisiana tech

Dayton vs Green Bay

There is no way Louisiana Tech or Green Bay gets in over Minnesota, Florida State, or Nebraska. And Stanford has a much better resume than the teams that will be playing in the First Four games.

That fourth 1 seed is going to be really hard to call if Michigan loses tomorrow. I'm leaning towards the winner of the ACC Championship, but Duke, UVA, and Villanova all have really similar resumes.

I think Nebraska is the last bye and in Minnesota and Florida st have no good quality wins. If virgina beats duke that's the big win Green Bay can hang there hat on. The selection people usually like to give one mid-major a last bid in and Green Bay fits the case IMO. Lousania tech, well the bubble IS soft this year is it not?

[Virtual Appliance]

My First Four Games:

16: Weber State Wildcats vs. Cal Poly Mustangs

16: Texas Southern Tigers vs. Albany Great Danes

14: George Washington Colonials vs. Tennessee Volunteers

14: Iona Gaels vs. Colorado Buffaloes

Overall Number One: Florida, no matter what happens on Sunday.

You know mount saint Mary's is a lock for that play in game cause the BEC is a weak conf and that are 16-16.......and Iona???? Who have they beat??? Wishful thinking. GW is not a first four team more a 10-11 seed and safely in.

I really hope the billion-dollar reward is not messing with us too much. We are arguing about the difference between the 4th and 6th-worst teams in the tournament.

This is my reasoning, so far:

1st column: highest rated teams from each conference have conference listed here

2nd column: 2nd-worst rated teams from each conference have conference listed here

3rd column: number of titles team has won since 1988 season (1988-2013) :0)

4th column: team name

5th column: number of team wins (yeah, it's 100% accurate)

6th column: Points, "accumulated wins," "the total sum of the wins of beaten opponents at the time the listed team beat their opponents")

*This list has been eerily similar to the Top 25 throughout the year

**Games thru Saturday, March 15 (there are five conference championships left before Selection Sunday...Tomorrow!)

SEC 2 Florida Gators 31 317 Pac-12 1 Arizona Wildcats 30 295 MVC Wichita State Shockers 34 293 MWC New Mexico Lobos 27 286 Big Ten 1 Michigan Wolverines 25 285 American 1 Louisville Cardinals 29 279 ACC Virginia Cavaliers 27 274 Big XII Iowa State Cyclones 26 272 Pac-12 1 UCLA Bruins 26 269 MWC San Diego State Aztecs 29 267 WCC Gonzaga Bulldogs 28 262 ACC 4 Duke Blue Devils 26 262 Big XII 2 Kansas Jayhawks 24 254 Big East Villanova Wildcats 28 253 Atlantic 10 VCU Rams 26 248 Big East Creighton Bluejays 26 244 Big Ten Wisconsin Badgers 26 241 ACC 1 Syracuse Orange 27 238 C-USA Tulsa Golden Hurricane 21 236 American 3 Connecticut Huskies 26 234 SEC 3 Kentucky Wildcats 24 234 Big Ten 1 Michigan State Spartans 25 228 Southland SF Austin Lumberjacks 31 228 Big Ten Ohio State Buckeyes 25 227 WCC BYU Cougars 23 226 Big XII Baylor Bears 24 224 ACC 3 North Carolina Tar Heels 23 221 American Cincinnati Bearcats 27 221 Atlantic 10 Saint Joseph's Hawks 23 219 Sun Belt Georgia State Panthers 25 219 C-USA Louisiana Tech Bulldogs 27 218 C-USA Southern Miss Golden Eagles 27 210 ACC Pittsburgh Panthers 25 209 Pac-12 Oregon Ducks 23 208 Summit North Dakota St Bison 25 207 Big East Providence Friars 23 206 Atlantic 10 Saint Louis Billikens 26 205 MAC Toledo Rockets 27 203 Big XII Oklahoma Sooners 23 202 Atlantic 10 Dayton Flyers 23 201 MAC W Michigan Broncos 23 201 MAAC Manhattan Jaspers 25 199 ACC NC State Wolfpack 21 198 Atlantic 10 Massachusetts Minutemen 24 196 SEC Georgia Bulldogs 19 193 MEAC N Carolina Cent Eagles 28 192 American Memphis Tigers 23 191 OVC E Kentucky Colonels 24 191 Colonial Athletic Delaware Blue Hens 25 191 Big XII Texas Longhorns 23 191 Pac-12 Stanford Cardinal 21 191 Big Ten Nebraska Cornhuskers 19 190 Atlantic 10 G. Washington Colonials 24 190 MAAC Iona Gaels 22 186 Pac-12 Colorado Buffaloes 23 186 SEC Tennessee Volunteers 21 186 American SMU Mustangs 23 182 Atlantic Sun Mercer Bears 26 182 C-USA Middle Tennessee Blue Raiders 24 182 WAC New Mexico St Aggies 26 182 C-USA UTEP Miners 23 181 Big XII Kansas State Wildcats 20 180 Big East St. John's Red Storm 20 180 Big East Xavier Musketeers 21 180 Horizon Green Bay Phoenix 24 179 WCC San Francisco Dons 21 179 Patriot Boston U Terriers 24 178 Pac-12 Arizona State Sun Devils 21 176 Patriot American U Eagles 20 174 MAC Akron Zips 21 174 SEC 1 Arkansas Razorbacks 21 173 Big South Coast Carolina Chanticleers 21 171 SEC Missouri Tigers 22 171 MAC Ohio Bobcats 23 170 Colonial Athletic Towson Tigers 23 168 Ivy League Harvard Crimson 26 167 WCC Saint Mary's Gaels 22 167 Horizon Milwaukee Panthers 21 167 OVC Belmont Bruins 24 166 MWC 1 UNLV Runnin' Rebels 20 166 Big XII Oklahoma State Cowboys 21 165 Pac-12 Utah Utes 21 164 Southern Davidson Wildcats 20 163 MVC Indiana State Sycamores 23 161 Big Ten Illinois Fighting Illini 19 161 MAC Buffalo Bulls 19 159 SEC LSU Tigers 19 159 Horizon Cleveland State Vikings 21 157 Horizon Wright State Raiders 20 157 MWC Boise State Broncos 21 157 Big West UC Santa Barbara 21 156 Big East Georgetown Hoyas 17 155 Atlantic Sun FGCU Eagles 22 155 Big West UC Irvine Anteaters 23 155 Sun Belt LA-Lafayette Ragin' Cajuns 22 155 MAC E Michigan Eagles 21 154 ACC Clemson Tigers 20 154 ACC Florida State Seminoles 19 152 Northeast Mount St Mary's Mountaineers 16 150 Big Ten Minnesota Golden Gophers 20 150 Big East Seton Hall Pirates 17 150 Northeast Robert Morris Colonials 21 149 Pac-12 California Golden Bears 19 149 Southern Wofford Terriers 20 149 Big Sky Weber State 19 148 Summit IPFW Mastodons 24 146 Big XII West Virginia Mountaineers 17 144 Big Sky North Dakota 17 144 Big South Winthrop 20 143 Colonial Athletic William & Mary Tribe 20 143 SEC Ole Miss Rebels 19 143 WAC Utah Valley Wolverines 20 142 MVC Northern Iowa Panthers 16 140 Big Ten Iowa Hawkeyes 20 140 SEC South Carolina Gamecocks 14 140 Atlantic Sun USC Upstate 19 137 MAAC Quinnipiac Bobcats 20 136 ACC Miami (FL) Hurricanes 17 135 Southland Sam Houston Bearkats 23 134 Patriot Holy Cross Crusaders 19 133 America East Vermont Catamounts 22 133 Summit Denver Pioneers 16 133 Big East Marquette Golden Eagles 17 132 Big Ten Indiana Hoosiers 17 132 Sun Belt W Kentucky Hilltoppers 20 132 Big South UNC Asheville Bulldogs 17 132 Summit South Dakota St Jackrabbits 19 132 SWAC Texas Southern 19 132 Patriot Bucknell Bison 16 131 MVC Missouri State Bears 20 130 Big South VMI 19 130 Atlantic 10 Richmond Spiders 19 130 Atlantic Sun East Tenn St Buccaneers 18 129 Pac-12 Washington Huskies 17 129 Atlantic 10 St. Bonaventure Bonnies 18 129 ACC Wake Forest Demon Deacons 17 128 Ivy League Princeton Tigers 20 127 Big West CS Northridge 17 127 Big South High Point 16 126 OVC Murray State Racers 18 125 MVC S Illinois Salukis 14 125 MWC Nevada Wolf Pack 15 125 ACC 1 Maryland Terrapins 17 125 WAC Idaho Vandals 16 125 America East Albany Great Danes 18 125 MAAC Canisius Golden Griffins 21 124 Big Ten Northwestern Wildcats 14 123 Pac-12 Oregon State Beavers 16 122 America East Stony Brook 23 122 MWC Fresno State Bulldogs 17 122 MWC Utah State Aggies 18 122 Big Sky Portland State 17 122 Big West Cal Poly Mustangs 13 122 Northeast Wagner 19 121 American Houston Cougars 17 121 Big West Long Beach St 15 120 Southland Northwestern St 17 120 MVC Illinois State Cardinals 16 119 SEC Texas A&M Aggies 17 119 Horizon Valparaiso Crusaders 18 119 Big West Hawaii Rainbow Warriors 20 118 OVC Morehead State Eagles 20 117 MWC Wyoming Cowboys 18 117 SEC Alabama Crimson Tide 13 117 C-USA Old Dominion Monarchs 16 117 SEC Vanderbilt Commodores 15 115 Big South Gardner-Webb 18 114 Southern W Carolina Catamounts 19 114 MAC Miami (OH) RedHawks 13 114 Southern Elon 18 112 MAAC Siena 15 111 C-USA Tulane Green Wave 17 110 Southern Chattanooga Mocs 18 109 OVC Tenn Tech 17 109 Big Sky Montana Grizzlies 17 109 C-USA Charlotte 49ers 17 109 WCC Santa Clara Broncos 14 108 Big South Radford 21 107 MAC N Illinois Huskies 15 107 WCC Portland Pilots 15 106 WCC San Diego 16 106 OVC SE Missouri St 18 106 Big Ten Penn State Nittany Lions 15 106 Atlantic 10 La Salle Explorers 15 106 MEAC Hampton 18 105 Big Sky N Arizona Lumberjacks 15 105 SWAC Southern u Jaguars 19 104 ACC Georgia Tech Yellow Jackets 16 104 MEAC Morgan State 15 104 Atlantic Sun Lipscomb 15 103 Southland Texas A&M-CC Islanders 17 102 Big XII Texas Tech Red Raiders 14 102 Patriot Army Cadets/Black Knights 15 101 Ivy League Columbia Lions 19 101 C-USA UAB 18 100 Sun Belt Arkansas State 19 99 MAAC Marist Red Foxes 12 98 Horizon Oakland Golden Grizzlies 13 98 Sun Belt TX-Arlington 15 98 SWAC Alabama State 19 96 WCC Pacific Tigers 15 95 Big Sky Sacramento St 14 95 C-USA North Texas Mean Green 16 95 Big Sky N Colorado Bears 18 94 Big Sky E Washington 15 93 Colonial Athletic Northeastern Huskies 11 93 Sun Belt AR-Little Rock Trojans 15 93 Northeast Bryant Bulldogs 18 92 Northeast St Francis (NY) Terriers 18 92 C-USA East Carolina 17 92 WCC Pepperdine Waves 15 91 Colonial Athletic Drexel 16 91 MAC Kent State Golden Flashes 16 91 Patriot Lafayette 11 91 Atlantic 10 Duquesne Dukes 13 91 Southland Oral Roberts 17 91 MVC Drake Bulldogs 15 90 ACC Notre Dame Fighting Irish 15 89 MWC Colorado State Rams 16 89 MAAC St. Peter's Peacocks 14 89 WAC Grand Canyon 15 89 WAC UMKC Roos 10 88 Southern Ga. Southern 15 88 America East Hartford 17 87 SEC Auburn Tigers 14 87 Atlantic Sun North Florida Ospreys 16 86 Southern Samford 13 85 Atlantic 10 Rhode Island 14 84 SWAC AR-Pine Bluff 13 84 MEAC Norfolk State 19 84 Big Ten Purdue Boilermakers 15 82 Ivy League Yale Bulldogs, Elis 15 82 SWAC Alabama A&M 14 82 WAC Chicago State Cougars 13 81 C-USA FIU 15 80 Atlantic 10 George Mason 11 80 Patriot Colgate 13 79 MAC Bowling Green Falcons 12 78 MEAC Florida A&M 14 78 MVC Evansville 14 77 Big East Butler Bulldogs 14 77 C-USA Florida Atl Owls 10 76 MWC Air Force Falcons 12 76 Southland Nicholls State 14 76 Patriot Lehigh 14 75 Big East DePaul Blue Demons 12 75 Horizon Detroit 13 74 Big West CS Fullerton 11 74 Southern UNC Greensboro 14 74 SWAC PV A&M 11 73 Colonial Athletic Charleston Cougars 14 72 Sun Belt UL Monroe 10 72 SEC Mississippi St Bulldogs 14 72 MVC Bradley Bulldogs 12 71 Northeast Cent Conn St 11 71 American Rutgers Scarlet Knights 12 71 OVC SIU Edwardsville Cougars 11 70 American UCF 13 70 WAC CSU Bakersfield 13 70 Southland McNeese State 11 69 Southland Incarnate Word 21 68 Horizon Youngstown St Penguins 15 67 Summit South Dakota Coyotes 12 67 Big Sky Montana State Bobcats 14 67 Atlantic Sun Jacksonville 12 67 MAAC Rider 14 67 OVC E Illinois 11 66 WAC Seattle U 13 66 Pac-12 Washington St Cougars 10 66 C-USA Marshall 11 66 MEAC Savannah State 13 65 Colonial Athletic James Madison 11 64 MVC Loyola (IL) 10 64 Sun Belt Troy Trojans 11 64 American Temple Owls 9 64 MEAC Coppin State 12 64 Big Sky Idaho State 11 63 Big South Charl Southern 13 63 Colonial Athletic Hofstra Pride 10 63 Sun Belt South Alabama 11 63 Northeast St Francis (PA) 10 62 WCC Loyola Mary Lions 13 62 Southland New Orleans Privateers 11 61 SWAC Jackson State 11 61 Summit Omaha Mavericks 16 60 ACC Boston College 8 60 Ivy League Dartmouth 12 60 Northeast Fair Dickinson 10 58 Big South Campbell Fighting Camels 12 55 SWAC Alcorn State 12 55 OVC Austin Peay 12 54 American South Florida 12 53 Ivy League Brown Bears 15 53 Pac-12 USC Trojans 11 52 Colonial Athletic UNC-Wilmington 9 51 America East Umass Lowell 10 51 Southland SE Louisiana 12 51 MEAC Delaware State 9 50 Big South Liberty Flames 11 50 Patriot Loyola (MD) 11 50 Big West UC Riverside 10 49 OVC Tenn St 5 47 MAAC Monmouth Hawks 11 47 MAAC Fairfield 7 47 Ivy League Pennsylvania 8 47 Atlantic 10 Fordham Rams 10 47 Northeast LIU Brooklyn 9 46 Atlantic Sun NKU Norse 9 46 Big West UC Davis 9 44 WAC TX-Pan American 9 44 MEAC N Carolina A&T 9 44 Southland Cent Arkansas 8 42 Atlantic Sun Stetson 7 41 America East UMBC 9 41 Patriot Navy Midshipmen 9 41 MEAC S Carolina St 9 41 MAC Cent Michigan 10 41 C-USA UTSA 8 39 Southern Appalachian St 9 39 Summit W Illinois 10 39 America East New Hampshire 6 38 Southern The Citadel 7 38 ACC Virginia Tech Hokies 9 36 MEAC Bethune-Cookman 7 36 MEAC Howard 8 36 SWAC Grambling St 5 36 OVC Jacksonville St 10 33 C-USA Rice Owls 7 33 SWAC Miss Valley St 9 33 MAAC Niagara 7 33 Horizon UIC 6 32 Sun Belt Texas State 8 31 America East Binghamton 7 31 MEAC MD-E Shore 6 31 Big South Longwood 8 29 America East Maine Black Bears 6 29 OVC UT Martin 8 28 Southern Furman 9 28 Big South Presbyterian 6 26 MWC San Jose State 7 26 Atlantic Sun Kennesaw State 6 24 Southland Lamar 4 24 Summit IUPUI 6 23 Northeast Sacred Heart 5 23 Big XII TCU 9 21 MAC Ball State 5 21 Independent N.J.I.T. 13 16 Southland Houston Baptist 6 15 Big Sky Southern Utah 2 15 Ivy League Cornell 2 9 Southland Abilene Christian 11 8 4 lowest auto 4 lowest at-large eliminated ineligible

EDIT: Yeah, uhhhhh...why don't you copy and paste that or something, or tell me how to upload an Excel Spreadsheet without all you guys having access to my personal computer....yeah.

[Burkell007]

That list explains alot about your picks....

[Billy B]

My first 4 games:

Cal poly vs Texas southern

Mount saint Mary's vs wofford

Stanford vs Louisiana tech

Dayton vs Green Bay

There is no way Louisiana Tech or Green Bay gets in over Minnesota, Florida State, or Nebraska. And Stanford has a much better resume than the teams that will be playing in the First Four games.

That fourth 1 seed is going to be really hard to call if Michigan loses tomorrow. I'm leaning towards the winner of the ACC Championship, but Duke, UVA, and Villanova all have really similar resumes.

I think Nebraska is the last bye and in Minnesota and Florida st have no good quality wins. If virgina beats duke that's the big win Green Bay can hang there hat on. The selection people usually like to give one mid-major a last bid in and Green Bay fits the case IMO. Lousania tech, well the bubble IS soft this year is it not?

Florida State has top 50 wins over VCU, UMass, and @Pitt. Only bad loss is Miami and that's barely a bad loss. RPI is 53. SOS is 33.

Minnesota has top 50 wins over Ohio State and Wisconsin with bad losses to Northwestern and @Purdue. RPI is 49. SOS is 5.

Green Bay's only top 50 win is UVA with bad losses to Milwaukee (twice) and a really bad loss @Valpo. RPI is 57. SOS is 158.

For the record, the Bracket Matrix, which averages pretty much every legitimate site's projections has all three of these teams out. It just shows how far Green Bay is from having a shot.

[qwerty]

Can't wait for tonight

[DS729]

My first 4 games:

Cal poly vs Texas southern

Mount saint Mary's vs wofford

Stanford vs Louisiana tech

Dayton vs Green Bay

There is no way Louisiana Tech or Green Bay gets in over Minnesota, Florida State, or Nebraska. And Stanford has a much better resume than the teams that will be playing in the First Four games.

That fourth 1 seed is going to be really hard to call if Michigan loses tomorrow. I'm leaning towards the winner of the ACC Championship, but Duke, UVA, and Villanova all have really similar resumes.

I think Nova's loss to Seton Hall knocks them out, the ACC winner will get the last #1 if Michigan loses, if the Wolverines win, they'll be the fourth #1 IMO.

I still think Florida will be #1 overall win or lose, with Zona's loss last night, they'll fall down to the 3, and I think the Shockers will be the second #1.

[Burkell007]

Florida

Wichita st

acc champ

Louisville/ Michigan

thats your 4 #1 seeds

[rams80]

Louisville's not going that high.

[Billy B]

Not including Arizona on that list is pretty funny.

[Burkell007]

well lets see Arizona lost there conference tourney, Louisville won theirs. so thats my thinking on leaving Arizona off that list, i can see them as the top 2 seed. Louisville is playing good right now, sure some of there conference mates are GOD awful(im looking at you Rutgers, UCF-USF) but smoking uconn and beating cincy gives them points IMO. they seem to be getting hot at the right time. I'm just not buying Arizona going deep in the tournament.

[rams80]

well lets see Arizona lost there conference tourney, Louisville won theirs. so thats my thinking on leaving Arizona off that list, i can see them as the top 2 seed. Louisville is playing good right now, sure some of there conference mates are GOD awful(im looking at you Rutgers, UCF-USF) but smoking uconn and beating cincy gives them points IMO. they seem to be getting hot at the right time. I'm just not buying Arizona going deep in the tournament.

What part of "body of work" don't you understand Mr. Gordon?

[Billy B]

well lets see Arizona lost there conference tourney, Louisville won theirs. so thats my thinking on leaving Arizona off that list, i can see them as the top 2 seed. Louisville is playing good right now, sure some of there conference mates are GOD awful(im looking at you Rutgers, UCF-USF) but smoking uconn and beating cincy gives them points IMO. they seem to be getting hot at the right time. I'm just not buying Arizona going deep in the tournament.

There's a difference between who you think is going to go deep in the tournament and where teams will get seeded. Looking at who won their conference tournament on its own doesn't make any sense, just like where teams place in the regular season or what their conference record is. Arizona's list of quality wins (most of which are on the road or neutral sites) blows Louisville's out of the water.

[HedleyLamarr]

Nice going, Georgia State.

Is there any Atlanta-area sports team that's immune from pooping their pants in crunch time?

[Burkell007]

well lets see Arizona lost there conference tourney, Louisville won theirs. so thats my thinking on leaving Arizona off that list, i can see them as the top 2 seed. Louisville is playing good right now, sure some of there conference mates are GOD awful(im looking at you Rutgers, UCF-USF) but smoking uconn and beating cincy gives them points IMO. they seem to be getting hot at the right time. I'm just not buying Arizona going deep in the tournament.

There's a difference between who you think is going to go deep in the tournament and where teams will get seeded. Looking at who won their conference tournament on its own doesn't make any sense, just like where teams place in the regular season or what their conference record is. Arizona's list of quality wins (most of which are on the road or neutral sites) blows Louisville's out of the water.

correct, but the committee does take in the last 10 games into there seeding consideration right??? or did that change??

[DEAD!]

Can CBS or Turner try to bring in Jim Ross to call Stephen F. Austin's tournament game?

[Billy B]

well lets see Arizona lost there conference tourney, Louisville won theirs. so thats my thinking on leaving Arizona off that list, i can see them as the top 2 seed. Louisville is playing good right now, sure some of there conference mates are GOD awful(im looking at you Rutgers, UCF-USF) but smoking uconn and beating cincy gives them points IMO. they seem to be getting hot at the right time. I'm just not buying Arizona going deep in the tournament.

There's a difference between who you think is going to go deep in the tournament and where teams will get seeded. Looking at who won their conference tournament on its own doesn't make any sense, just like where teams place in the regular season or what their conference record is. Arizona's list of quality wins (most of which are on the road or neutral sites) blows Louisville's out of the water.

correct, but the committee does take in the last 10 games into there seeding consideration right??? or did that change??

They haven't officially used last 12 games for a few years. Mainly because that is highly dependent on a team's schedule at the end of the season.

[Raysfan12]

well lets see Arizona lost there conference tourney, Louisville won theirs. so thats my thinking on leaving Arizona off that list, i can see them as the top 2 seed. Louisville is playing good right now, sure some of there conference mates are GOD awful(im looking at you Rutgers, UCF-USF) but smoking uconn and beating cincy gives them points IMO. they seem to be getting hot at the right time. I'm just not buying Arizona going deep in the tournament.

There's a difference between who you think is going to go deep in the tournament and where teams will get seeded. Looking at who won their conference tournament on its own doesn't make any sense, just like where teams place in the regular season or what their conference record is. Arizona's list of quality wins (most of which are on the road or neutral sites) blows Louisville's out of the water.

I'm a die-hard fan of UofL but even I agree with this. Louisville's best OOC win was Louisiana-Lafayette. Now if they were in the ACC, they would be in the discussion of a 1 seed without a doubt.

[LAWeaver]

So St. Joseph's, who was on the bubble coming into today, wins the A-10 tournament over VCU. March madness indeed.

[CS85]

So St. Joseph's, who was on the bubble coming into today, wins the A-10 tournament over VCU. March madness indeed.

Whoever was doing the call for that game was great for CBS. Pair of really old guys who I don't recognize because I rarely watch college basketball.

It also satisfies me to see Shaka Smart lose.

[HedleyLamarr]

It wouldn't surprise me if that were a Verne and Bill broadcast. Those two are great.