Uniform/jersey misunderstandings

[Raptorman415]

Whenever I wear my Albuquerque Isotopes hat I always get the,”is that the Houston Astros?” 

One time, I was wearing my Edmonton Eskimo Jersey in a Cracker Barrell and an old man came up to me and asked if the Packers where gonna win the super bowl that year. I had to inform him that it was a CFL jersey.

[Ferdinand Cesarano]

6 hours ago, Bmac said:

I asked for the Marlins and instead received the Mariners, which I already had. I'm still upset.

 

I often wind up mixing up those two teams, saying one when I mean the other. I blame Dave Magadan.

 

2 hours ago, BringBackTheVet said:

used to think that Soviet-era sports stuff made for cool throwbacks, until I started traveling to some of the former SSRs and saw first hand the results of the Soviet occupation and learned more about the heinous things they did to essentially their own people.  After that, I kinda put them in the same category as the Nazis, and just like I'd never wear a swastica in any context, I'd now never wear a hammer/sickle in even an ironic or nostalgic or joking manner either.

 

I wouldn't give anyone for it, but you need to understand that it's a very serious thing to a lot of people, even if not for most in the States.

 

As a class-conscious proletarian, I proudly display the hammer and sickle everywhere I go, with a patch on my saddle bag and on my messenger bag, a giant Soviet flag in my living room, and a smaller one at my desk at work.

 

 

 

The Soviet Union was the first state that was based not on the traditional evils of gods, kings, or property, but on self-government by workers. Other states serve the interests of the owning class; this state served the interests of our class.

 

Workers overthrew our class enemies and established a functioning and just state, while facing terrorism at home and also invasion from abroad by the imperialist Western powers. (In one of the ugliest episodes in American history, the U.S. and the U.K. invaded the Soviet Union in 1920. This not only violated international law, but it also laid the groundwork for the Soviet Union's non-aggression pact with Germany (Britain's enemy) in the early part of World War II. Though the Soviets ultimately saved the world by defeating the Nazis.)  

 

The emergence of the Soviet Union brought advances in human rights. Women had the right to vote in the Soviet Union before they had it in the United States. And divorce and even abortion became legal and accessible as the power of the church was curtailed.

 

These latter two advances were reversed by Stalin, amongst his innumerable crimes that caused the end of the proletarian state.  Indeed, no one knows better than a class-conscious proletarian the degradation of the latter-day Soviet Union, beginning with Stalin's outrageous purges.

 

These purges included Esperantists — which came as quite a shock after Esperanto had been warmly embraced during Lenin's day. The systematic killing of Esperantists, motivated by Stalin's ugly hatred of Jews, began only ten years after the Soviet Union had issued postage stamps in commemoration of Esperanto's fortieth anniversary in 1927. Stalin became a madman who refused to distinguish between actual enemies of the proletarian state (such as Trotsky) and people whom he personally did not like on account of his many irrational prejudices.

 

Nevertheless, without ever denying the utter fiasco of the late Soviet Union, in which responsible government on the part of workers' representatives had been replaced by a corrupt elite, the founding of our workers' state remains worthy of commemoration for all time. The establishment of the Soviet Union is a landmark event in human history, in an important sense representimg the dawn of civilisation.

 

More generally, the concept of working-class solidarity and of what is now called "intersectionality" (what Lenin termed being a "tribune of the people") informs the proud display of the hammer and sickle.

 

Considering that the U.S. flag is seen at every turn, I accept no critique of the liberating symbol of the hammer and sickle, a beautiful and powerful symbol which celebrates the unity of industrial and agricultural labour, and which reminds us that workers create all value apart from the natural, and so are the only class which has the right to rule.

 

So of course I would gladly wear any Soviet Union sporting gear. I have a national team football shirt that I found at a thrift shop in bad condition. I hope to get an intact one eventually.

 

 

[DeFrank]

I create sports logos-related apparel to sow discord, confusion, and hopefully, eventually, an understanding about what we should consider appropriate as a society!!

 

 

I love this guy. Made it last month, wear it all the time.

 

[The_Admiral]

2 hours ago, BringBackTheVet said:

I used to think that Soviet-era sports stuff made for cool throwbacks, until I started traveling to some of the former SSRs and saw first hand the results of the Soviet occupation and learned more about the heinous things they did to essentially their own people.  After that, I kinda put them in the same category as the Nazis, and just like I'd never wear a swastica in any context, I'd now never wear a hammer/sickle in even an ironic or nostalgic or joking manner either.

 

At the risk of getting political, one of my biggest issues with the modern left is the romanticization of the Soviet Union for precisely that reason -- it was a murderous and destructive regime. There should be no place for the hammer and sickle in leftist iconography. I like the labor rose.

[MCM0313]

21 hours ago, smzimbabwe said:

I have had 2 incidents that I can think of over the years:

 

1. A lady asked me where I got my Oregon Ducks hat with the different, yet cool logo. I told her it was a UAA Seawolves hat, but she kept insisting it was the Ducks and she couldn't understand why I wouldn't confirm that. I told her I bought it in Anchorage, showed her that it said "Seawolves" on the back, yet, she still insisted that it was an Oregon Ducks hat and still was mad as I left that I wouldn't tell her where she could get one. (Apparently Anchorage was not the answer she wanted, we were in Portland, surely some place closer had that Ducks hat.)

 

2. I was wearing an All Blacks rugby jersey, someone got mad at me and said that a) all lives matter, not just blacks and I was (and still am) white, what's my angle for supporting and speaking for all blacks? I tried to explain that "All Blacks" was the name of the New Zealand rugby team and that's what it referenced, but he said that was an excuse and where did I come off thinking I spoke for all blacks?

 

3. My purple UW jersey has been mistaken for a Minnesota Vikings jersey multiple times. I will be in the grocery store, someone will say "Hey, a Vikiings fan" and I'll politely explain to them that it's the Huskies, and I really don't care one way or the other about the Vikings.

 

Has anyone else suffered through incidents like this? Where people seriously misunderstood your gear like this. They thought it was one team, or something completely unrelated to sports, when it was something completely different? 

Only once have I had a similar misunderstanding. It was early 2000. For Christmas 1999 I had gotten a bright metallic copper Puma NFL jacket with a "00" on the arm (not related to any team). It was freaking awesome. Anyway, a girl walked up to me and, mentioning the "00" on my jacket, asked if I was a high school senior (class of 2000). I've always looked younger than my age, and I was only a freshman then, so that was unexpected. I laughed and showed her what kind of jacket it actually was.

[JTernup]

14 minutes ago, Ferdinand Cesarano said:

As a class-conscious proletarian...

 

The second I read BBTV's post I knew this was coming! You delivered.

 

I totally agree with the admiral, the hammer and sickle (while gorgeous from a design perspective) shouldn't be used by American liberals. I probably lean a little toward socialism but that symbol was the face of far too many atrocities. 

 

As for the topic. I often get my Nuggets hat, shirts, and even a water bottle with the crossed pick axes logo mixed up for other things. Most people just have no clue what it represents but in CO I've even had people ask if it was for the CO School of Mines. 

[MCM0313]

21 minutes ago, Ferdinand Cesarano said:

 

I often wind up mixing up those two teams, saying one when I mean the other. I blame Dave Magadan.

 

 

As a class-conscious proletarian, I proudly display the hammer and sickle everywhere I go, with a patch on my saddle bag and on my messenger bag, a giant Soviet flag in my living room, and a smaller one at my desk at work.

 

 

 

The Soviet Union was the first state that was based not on the traditional evils of gods, kings, or property, but on self-government by workers. Other states serve the interests of the owning class; this state served the interests of our class.

 

Workers overthrew our class enemies and established a functioning and just state, while facing terrorism at home and also invasion from abroad by the imperialist Western powers. (In one of the ugliest episodes in American history, the U.S. and the U.K. invaded the Soviet Union in 1920. This not only violated international law, but it also laid the groundwork for the Soviet Union's non-aggression pact with Germany (Britain's enemy) in the early part of World War II. Though the Soviets ultimately saved the world by defeating the Nazis.)  

 

The emergence of the Soviet Union brought advances in human rights. Women had the right to vote in the Soviet Union before they had it in the United States. And divorce and even abortion became legal and accessible as the power of the church was curtailed.

 

These latter two advances were reversed by Stalin, amongst his innumerable crimes that caused the end of the proletarian state.  Indeed, no one knows better than a class-conscious proletarian the degradation of the latter-day Soviet Union, beginning with Stalin's outrageous purges.

 

These purges included Esperantists — which came as quite a shock after Esperanto had been warmly embraced during Lenin's day. The systematic killing of Esperantists, motivated by Stalin's ugly hatred of Jews, began only ten years after the Soviet Union had issued postage stamps in commemoration of Esperanto's fortieth anniversary in 1927. Stalin became a madman who refused to distinguish between actual enemies of the proletarian state (such as Trotsky) and people whom he personally did not like on account of his many irrational prejudices.

 

Nevertheless, without ever denying the utter fiasco of the late Soviet Union, in which responsible government on the part of workers' representatives had been replaced by a corrupt elite, the founding of our workers' state remains worthy of commemoration for all time. The establishment of the Soviet Union is a landmark event in human history, in an important sense representimg the dawn of civilisation.

 

More generally, the concept of working-class solidarity and of what is now called "intersectionality" (what Lenin termed being a "tribune of the people") informs the proud display of the hammer and sickle.

 

Considering that the U.S. flag is seen at every turn, I accept no critique of the liberating symbol of the hammer and sickle, a beautiful and powerful symbol which celebrates the unity of industrial and agricultural labour, and which reminds us that workers create all value apart from the natural, and so are the only class which has the right to rule.

 

So of course I would gladly wear any Soviet Union sporting gear. I have a national team football shirt that I found at a thrift shop in bad condition. I hope to get an intact one eventually.

 

 

Well, at least you're not a tankie. But I do think this is probably not a discussion for this particular forum.

[The_Admiral]

3 minutes ago, JTernup said:

I totally agree with the admiral, the hammer and sickle (while gorgeous from a design perspective) shouldn't be used by American liberals.

It isn't used by liberals. Liberals' symbol is Beyonce.

[The_Admiral]

28 minutes ago, Ferdinand Cesarano said:

I often wind up mixing up those two teams, saying one when I mean the other. I blame Dave Magadan.

 

As a class-conscious proletarian, I proudly display the hammer and sickle everywhere I go, with a patch on my saddle bag and on my messenger bag, a giant Soviet flag in my living room, and a smaller one at my desk at work.

 

Avoid Chicago/the Upper Midwest: when a Ukrainian punches you in the mouth, don't say I didn't warn you.

[BBTV]

24 minutes ago, the admiral said:

 

At the risk of getting political, one of my biggest issues with the modern left is the romanticization of the Soviet Union for precisely that reason -- it was a murderous and destructive regime. There should be no place for the hammer and sickle in leftist iconography. I like the labor rose.

 

I agree. I wager mr. Cesaro hasn’t traveled much. I used to feel the same way as his post, until I learned that “on paper” and reality were two completely different things. The symbol should be treated in the same regard as the swastica. 

[Bathysphere]

I own a couple of Jaguars caps from ‘93 with the OG logo on them that I wear around for kicks. My best friend is someone from Miami who I met in Gainesville and isn’t a sports fan. Once I started talking about football to him from time to time, he admitted that he had always assumed that the team on my caps had to be “some local minor league baseball team” that he’d never heard of.

[The_Admiral]

My symbols of benign social-democratic politics are the NHS logo, the Bernie Sanders bird, and an IKEA nightstand.

[BBTV]

11 minutes ago, the admiral said:

My symbols of benign social-democratic politics are the NHS logo, the Bernie Sanders bird, and an IKEA nightstand.

 

Dont forget the “hate has no home here” window sign. 

[YELDARBfield]

About 4 years ago, I wore a navy Predators t-shirt on a trip to Arkansas. The logo was mistaken for LSU, Mizzou & the Jacksonville Jaguars all in the same day.

[The Golden One]

I Have a red version of this Ohio State hat. For some reason people always question me for wearing it and get it wrong.

 

 

[Ben in LA]

Every time I wear this hat - in LOS ANGELES no less - people think it’s a Red Sox fashion cap.

[JayMac]

21 hours ago, the admiral said:

 

At the risk of getting political, one of my biggest issues with the modern left is the romanticization of the Soviet Union for precisely that reason -- it was a murderous and destructive regime. There should be no place for the hammer and sickle in leftist iconography. I like the labor rose.

To me, all that the hammer and sickle symbol reminds me of is oppression and genocide. That symbol really has no place here. Then again, I lean much more toward the center than most here.

[SilverBullet1929]

2 hours ago, Ben in LA said:

Every time I wear this hat - in LOS ANGELES no less - people think it’s a Red Sox fashion cap.

Man I have to say I'd make the same mistake. What are the chances a Brooklyn Dodgers cap would be made into an incorrectly colored fashion cap in the present day? 

[SilverBullet1929]

Common uniform misunderstanding... that the Miami Marlins logo is a rainbow. It's missing over 50% of the colors of the rainbow. It's colorful yes... it's not a rainbow. 

[whitedawg22]

On 4/29/2018 at 2:04 AM, smzimbabwe said:

3. My purple UW jersey has been mistaken for a Minnesota Vikings jersey multiple times. I will be in the grocery store, someone will say "Hey, a Vikiings fan" and I'll politely explain to them that it's the Huskies, and I really don't care one way or the other about the Vikings.

I have this Williams College warmup shirt, and about 95% of the time people think I'm supporting the University of Washington. I usually don't want to explain that the font for the "W" is different (Washington's W is on the right).