NFL Merry-Go-Round: Relocation Roundelay

[Gothamite]

I have this evolving theory that it'll be the Chargers and Rams sharing the Carson site

Why do you say that? The benefit of Inglewood for the Rams is the development of the entire site. Housing, retail, studio space he can rent to the NFL. Why would Stan scrap all that, including the parts already under construction, to join somebody else's deal?

[colortv]

At the same time, the NFL sent the message that the details outlined in the legislation may not meet league approval.

Generally, the NFL considers naming rights and even game-day taxes — on tickets, hot dogs, parking and beer, for instance — revenue that belongs to team owners, not to the public, said NFL Executive Vice President Eric Grubman.

Grubman said he had not seen the city bill. But if such money was bonded to pay for construction costs, he said, it should be credited toward the team’s portion, not the public’s.

“It’s an NFL asset in the way we view the world,” Grubman said. “Whether on tickets or parking, that tax wouldn’t exist but for the activities of the team.”

He noted that corporations in a variety of industries often ask for such tax breaks.

It also requires a $250 million construction contribution from an NFL team, an irrevocable payment of $200 million from the NFL, and a signed team lease of not less than 30 years, including a “binding and enforceable non-relocation agreement.”

If the bill is introduced next Friday, it could see debate in committee, including public testimony, as early as the first week of November.

http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/govt-and-politics/stadium-financing-revealed-city-to-pay-million-plus-rebate-some/article_692b29a4-f2b6-52ed-8664-7ac04a28b7c7.html

I can't tell who is in a "better" position right now, St. Louis or San Diego.

[Mac the Knife]

I have this evolving theory that it'll be the Chargers and Rams sharing the Carson site

Why do you say that? The benefit of Inglewood for the Rams is the development of the entire site. Housing, retail, studio space he can rent to the NFL. Why would Stan scrap all that, including the parts already under construction, to join somebody else's deal?

I just have a feeling that the Carson site is going to end up being negotiated as part of a deal between the Rams and Chargers, otherwise Spanos and his bloc of votes will block a Rams move. The Chargers can't go it alone stadium-wise, while the Rams can't move unilaterally without at least 24 "yea" votes. The Chargers are red-headed step-children in an Inglewood stadium, which they don't want - so the compromise will be the Rams and Chargers moving, with the teams collaborating on a stadium at the Carson site.

Something that hasn't been mentioned by anyone, in the media or otherwise, which at least warrants consideration should this really get nasty: the Chargers can, essentially unilaterally, move up to 75 miles in any direction from the outer corporate limits of the City of San Diego without a vote. Within that 75 mile zone? Anaheim Stadium. The Chargers could sign a 5-year lease to play there and build in Carson if push came to shove, and there's not much the owners could really do about it.

[dfwabel]

Kroenke is in the best position, period.

[colortv]

I have this evolving theory that it'll be the Chargers and Rams sharing the Carson site

Why do you say that? The benefit of Inglewood for the Rams is the development of the entire site. Housing, retail, studio space he can rent to the NFL. Why would Stan scrap all that, including the parts already under construction, to join somebody else's deal?

I just have a feeling that the Carson site is going to end up being negotiated as part of a deal between the Rams and Chargers, otherwise Spanos and his bloc of votes will block a Rams move. The Chargers can't go it alone stadium-wise, while the Rams can't move unilaterally without at least 24 "yea" votes. The Chargers are red-headed step-children in an Inglewood stadium, which they don't want - so the compromise will be the Rams and Chargers moving, with the teams collaborating on a stadium at the Carson site.

Something that hasn't been mentioned by anyone, in the media or otherwise, which at least warrants consideration should this really get nasty: the Chargers can, essentially unilaterally, move up to 75 miles in any direction from the outer corporate limits of the City of San Diego without a vote. Within that 75 mile zone? Anaheim Stadium. The Chargers could sign a 5-year lease to play there and build in Carson if push came to shove, and there's not much the owners could really do about it.

I don't think Spanos is the type to go scorched earth on the league. He is by all accounts, a "good soldier". I also don't they would build in Carson in such a situation without league approval...too much risk.

Also, are you sure anaheim stadium is in that 75 mile zone? It doesn't look like it by some quick googling.

[Gothamite]

Yeah, I don't know. I get a driving distance of 100 miles from downtown, and that's pretty much a straight shot. Does San Diego really extend that far north to cut that down to 75?

Even if it was, the NFL has explicitly set LA aside for its own determination. It's been established that the Chargers have zero claim on the area.

[dfwabel]

Yeah, I don't know. I get a driving distance of 100 miles from downtown, and that's pretty much a straight shot. Does San Diego really extend that far north to cut that down to 75?

Even if it was, the NFL has explicitly set LA aside for its own determination. It's been established that the Chargers have zero claim on the area.

Others within the thread have extensively talked about I-5 and how Camp Pendleton is what divides the OC from San Diego and suburban city limits.

[HedleyLamarr]

Isn't that 75-mile radius using the stadium as the epicenter?

[Gothamite]

Del Mar appears to be the first community north of the city limits, and the center of that city is 77 miles from Anaheim Stadium (again, driving but pretty straight).

Still not sure. It's possible, but I'm still pretty sure that the NFL considers the whole LA area to be neutral ground, not the Chargers'.

[Cosmic]

I'm in phone so I can't do it, but wikimapia.org has an easy tool for straight shot distances.

[dfwabel]

Remember that most Del Mar people are not rich, but Wealthy since they have property or rent to UCSD. That property is fantastic and valuable.

Take a right from the 5 to Del Mar/UCSD is a trip to see the $$$.

[The_Admiral]

From the northernmost city limit (a little sliver called Del Dios?) to Angel Stadium is 66.59 mi as the crow flies. Stadium to stadium as the crow flies is 82.95.

[STL FANATIC]

I can't really see Kroenke partnering with the Chargers in Carson. I can see him allowing the Chargers into Inglewood—rent free even—but it's hard for me to picturing him being an equal partner in someone else's plan on someone else's site.

I don't think Kroenke is an LA at all costs guy. I think he wants to go big in LA. I'm not sure how much he'd compromise on that just to move to LA.

But maybe there is a way to make it work. Just him accepting someone else's plan doesn't feel like that'd be it.

[ninersdd]

It definitely sounds like a Raiders home game against the Chargers.

[LMU]

It definitely sounds like a Raiders home game against the Chargers.

That's just all the haven't-gotten-the-hint-after-thirty-years LA Raider fans making the trip down the 5.

[FiddySicks]

"To protect that vitally important 25% of our business, we're going to royally piss off 75% of our business."

Sounds great.

Typical Spanos family logic. Cut off your nose to spite your face...

Awesome! They're going to leave a market where they're basically the ONLY thing in town and are absolutely loved by just about everyone, to a market where they'll be the little brother at best/completely ignored by everyone local and totally alienated by their current fans after two seasons more likely. You go, Spanos family! You're just as shortsighted and foolish as you've always been.

[STL FANATIC]

Registration for San Diego's and Oakland's hearings remains open. Those are Wednesday and Thursday respectively.

St. Louis' is tomorrow (Tuesday), and registration has been closed since Thursday.

https://nfltownhall.fishsoftware.com/stlouis/

https://nfltownhall.fishsoftware.com/sandiego/

https://nfltownhall.fishsoftware.com/oakland/

You won't catch me overstating what that means, but I'm a bit surprised by that.

As I mentioned the other day, supposedly all registration is being capped at only about 1,500 due to the size of the venues in San Diego and Oakland. (St. Louis' is larger but the NFL chose to keep attendance at similar levels.)

[Gothamite]

That is good news for St. Louis. I like to see the fans stepping up.

[STL FANATIC]

Just read that some LA fans successfully obtained passes by registering with bogus information. Presumably it's not so they can attend, but rather so others can't.

That's disappointing and hopefully it's far too small of a number to make a difference.

If you look at the registration forms, very little information was required.

[Mac the Knife]

Isn't that 75-mile radius using the stadium as the epicenter?

From the northernmost city limit (a little sliver called Del Dios?) to Angel Stadium is 66.59 mi as the crow flies. Stadium to stadium as the crow flies is 82.95.

The 75 mile radius is from the outer limits of the city - that was decided by a court, ironically enough, when the Rams moved from Los Angeles to Anaheim.

I can't really see Kroenke partnering with the Chargers in Carson. I can see him allowing the Chargers into Inglewood—rent free even—but it's hard for me to picturing him being an equal partner in someone else's plan on someone else's site.

I don't think Kroenke is an LA at all costs guy. I think he wants to go big in LA. I'm not sure how much he'd compromise on that just to move to LA.

My point was that Kroenke will have to cut a deal to get the Rams back to Los Angeles, and giving up his site for Carson and a partnership with the Chargers may be the deal that has to be made. Spanos is far more liked among "the club" than Kroenke, and rent-free tenant status at Kroenke's venue won't be a sweet enough deal - it'll have to be a Jets/Giants-like joint venture.