bosrs1 Posted October 19, 2016 Share Posted October 19, 2016 On 10/16/2016 at 11:39 AM, Wings said: There will be plenty of loyal Raiders fans from Northern & Southern California making the trek to Las Vegas as well. They'll pretty much be a regional team drawing from Nevada, California and Arizona. Yep. The Raiders are pretty unique among teams in that their fan base is by and large not married to the city the team plays in. Most LA based Raiders fans will actually have a shorter drive/flight to Vegas than they do now to visit the team in Oakland. And the NorCal fans that stuck with the Raiders through one move and then another I can't see as being too disillusioned with now a third. Particularly since Oakland the city has done jack squat to keep the team due to a lack of any real means to assist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dfwabel Posted October 19, 2016 Share Posted October 19, 2016 7 minutes ago, bosrs1 said: Yep. The Raiders are pretty unique among teams in that their fan base is by and large not married to the city the team plays in. Most LA based Raiders fans will actually have a shorter drive/flight to Vegas than they do now to visit the team in Oakland. And the NorCal fans that stuck with the Raiders through one move and then another I can't see as being too disillusioned with now a third. Particularly since Oakland the city has done jack squat to keep the team due to a lack of any real means to assist. To be fair to Oakland and Alameda County, all Mark Davis has said is that he wants a new stadium in the area and really does not want to leave, but has given nothing to the municipalities in terms of much anything else. He gave more input into the failed Carson project than anything into staying in the East Bay. Even in December, Davis told the Mercury News this murky statement: : Quote “I want a clean template to build one of the nicest places in the Bay Area,” Davis said. “The acreage and the land is the starting point. If we get a commitment on the land, we can go out and market this thing.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LMU Posted October 21, 2016 Share Posted October 21, 2016 I have coworkers who fly/drive to Oakland several times a year for Raider games. With the TV contract pretty much nationalized ratings aren't going to matter all that much. They'll probably end up selling PSLs to the casinos then bringing in the weekend crowd. The thing with Raider fans, especially down here, is that they really come across more like a mainstream gang than they do fans of a football team. Even twenty years and a team in LA later there's still way the hell too many Raider license plate frames and car flags floating around down in the LA area. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dfwabel Posted October 21, 2016 Share Posted October 21, 2016 6 minutes ago, LMU said: I have coworkers who fly/drive to Oakland several times a year for Raider games. With the TV contract pretty much nationalized ratings aren't going to matter all that much. They'll probably end up selling PSLs to the casinos then bringing in the weekend crowd. The thing with Raider fans, especially down here, is that they really come across more like a mainstream gang than they do fans of a football team. Even twenty years and a team in LA later there's still way the hell too many Raider license plate frames and car flags floating around down in the LA area. While the major casinos have locations in many parts of the US with loyalty programs, the local ticket brokers, who are already there en masse, will buy plenty of PSLs as well and appeal to the visiting fan since they can sell the same seat eight to ten times per season since many will plan for a weekend. The Raiders, or an expansion team, will not have much of a home field advantage because of the "destination". It'll be like JerryWorld and (possibly) Ingelwood. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bosrs1 Posted October 21, 2016 Share Posted October 21, 2016 14 hours ago, LMU said: I have coworkers who fly/drive to Oakland several times a year for Raider games. With the TV contract pretty much nationalized ratings aren't going to matter all that much. They'll probably end up selling PSLs to the casinos then bringing in the weekend crowd. The thing with Raider fans, especially down here, is that they really come across more like a mainstream gang than they do fans of a football team. Even twenty years and a team in LA later there's still way the hell too many Raider license plate frames and car flags floating around down in the LA area. Exactly. The Raiders are one of those rare teams that transcends location. They could be playing on the moon and most of their fans would save up for a trip on Space X once a year to go see them and would gather at bars and rocket launch sites the rest of the year to watch the games with other Raider fans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Admiral Posted October 21, 2016 Share Posted October 21, 2016 Las Vegas threw a bitchfit when black people came to town for the All-Star Game. The Raiders literally would have better odds of "transcending location" on the moon. Welcome back to being wrong about everything. ♫ oh yeah, board goes on, long after the thrill of postin' is gone ♫ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bosrs1 Posted October 21, 2016 Share Posted October 21, 2016 1 hour ago, the admiral said: Las Vegas threw a bitchfit when black people came to town for the All-Star Game. The Raiders literally would have better odds of "transcending location" on the moon. Welcome back to being wrong about everything. I was in Vegas that weekend, it did anything but throw a fit. In fact the place was hopping. The Raiders will do well for themselves there. Transient team, with dispersed fan base, in the most transient town in America. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smzimbabwe Posted October 21, 2016 Share Posted October 21, 2016 Just curious, I have relatives from Missouri and they have been asking me if St. Louis will ever get a team in the future. I have no idea, don't really know the situation there, but they're saying Baltimore got a team back, Los Angeles got a team back, Oakland got a team back (for a little time till they go to Las Vegas), Houston got a team back, why not St. Louis? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Admiral Posted October 21, 2016 Share Posted October 21, 2016 No desire to build a new 60,000-seat stadium. They may not even keep the Dome. ♫ oh yeah, board goes on, long after the thrill of postin' is gone ♫ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gothamite Posted October 22, 2016 Share Posted October 22, 2016 Yeah, St. Louis is done for at least a generation. If not more. Keeping the Rams was their last shot for a very long time. Now we'll see if the same people have any better luck putting an MLS stadium project together, because that one is very much alive but still has the same needs. The Green Bay Packers Uniform Database! Now in a handy blog. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dfwabel Posted October 22, 2016 Share Posted October 22, 2016 13 minutes ago, Gothamite said: Yeah, St. Louis is done for at least a generation. If not more. Keeping the Rams was their last shot for a very long time. Now we'll see if the same people have any better luck putting an MLS stadium project together, because that one is very much alive but still has the same needs. It's more feasible as those city leaders would only have to cough up ~$120-150M in expansion fees for MLS rather than $1.5B for the NFL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gothamite Posted October 22, 2016 Share Posted October 22, 2016 Try $200M, which will be the going rate by the time they're ready to apply. But it'll be cheaper all around, that's for sure. On the other hand, there won't be as much help from MLS as they were getting from the NFL, either. MLS isn't going to offer them hundreds of millions of dollars or bend over backwards extending deadlines. The Green Bay Packers Uniform Database! Now in a handy blog. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dfwabel Posted October 22, 2016 Share Posted October 22, 2016 7 minutes ago, Gothamite said: Try $200M, which will be the going rate by the time they're ready to apply. But it'll be cheaper all around, that's for sure. On the other hand, there won't be as much help from MLS as they were getting from the NFL, either. MLS isn't going to offer them hundreds of millions of dollars or bend over backwards extending deadlines. So it's ONLY 6-8x less rather than 9-112x less? But, per the topic, the NFL back in the STL is still an afterthought now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IceCap Posted October 22, 2016 Share Posted October 22, 2016 22 hours ago, smzimbabwe said: Baltimore got a team back, Los Angeles got a team back, Oakland got a team back (for a little time till they go to Las Vegas), Houston got a team back, why not St. Louis? The pizza. PotD 26/2/12 1/7/15 2020 BASS Spin the Wheel, Make the Deal Regular Season Champion 2021 BASS NFL Pick'em Regular Season Champion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cosmic Posted October 22, 2016 Share Posted October 22, 2016 Tell them St. Louis got a team back, too. Problem is, that team just left to back to LA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LMU Posted October 23, 2016 Share Posted October 23, 2016 8 hours ago, Ice_Cap said: The pizza. Nobody plays football the Cardinal Way. No, not those Cardinals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Admiral Posted October 23, 2016 Share Posted October 23, 2016 The Patriots seem to have the Cardinals' sanctimony and hypocrisy down pat, shame St. Louis couldn't pull them down circa 1992 when they had the chance. ♫ oh yeah, board goes on, long after the thrill of postin' is gone ♫ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2001mark Posted October 24, 2016 Share Posted October 24, 2016 My fantasy team has relocated to the jerk store. @2001mark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dfwabel Posted October 28, 2016 Share Posted October 28, 2016 The Davis/Adelson engagement is already off to a bad start. Quote "I negotiated to bring in the Oakland Raiders, an NFL football team from Oakland, because they don't have a stadium there, that I would build a stadium and rent it out to the Oakland Raiders," Adelson said on Wednesday during a travel technology conference in Tel Aviv. Adelson, who succeeded this month in getting legislation passed to enable the construction of the stadium, said his problems now involve negotiations with the Raiders. "They want so much," he said. "So I told my people, 'Tell them I could live with the deal, I could live without the deal. Here's the way it's gonna go down. If they don't want it, bye-bye,'" he said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gothamite Posted October 28, 2016 Share Posted October 28, 2016 Sheldon Adelson squabbling with Mark Davis. The Green Bay Packers Uniform Database! Now in a handy blog. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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