Rockstar Matt Posted September 16, 2016 Share Posted September 16, 2016 Hopefully the Chargers won't be stupid and ultimately stay San Diego, thus leaving the Raiders to come down to LA. I don't hate the Raiders in Vegas for some reason, but the public shouldn't be building a 1 billion dollar stadium. If this passes through, the Nevada Governor and legislature need to removed from their positions. Cowboys - Lakers - LAFC - USMNT - LA Rams - LA Kings - NUFC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gothamite Posted September 16, 2016 Share Posted September 16, 2016 Reading the article again, I found more profound stupidity: Quote Officials with the Las Vegas Sands said they don't want to return any profits to the public because they would be making little or no money on the stadium. Okay, Adelson, if there are no profits to be made, you can't possibly have any problem with saying all the profits will go to taxpayers. Right? The Green Bay Packers Uniform Database! Now in a handy blog. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Admiral Posted September 16, 2016 Share Posted September 16, 2016 2 minutes ago, Rockstar Matt said: I don't hate the Raiders in Vegas for some reason Then do some more reasoning. It's terrible. ♫ oh yeah, board goes on, long after the thrill of postin' is gone ♫ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Admiral Posted September 16, 2016 Share Posted September 16, 2016 3 minutes ago, Gothamite said: Reading the article again, I found more profound stupidity: Officials with the Las Vegas Sands said they don't want to return any profits to the public because they would be making little or no money on the stadium. Okay, Adelson, if there are no profits to be made, you can't possibly have any problem with saying all the profits will go to taxpayers. Right? Just as the city of Las Vegas is unpretentious about the fact that it is a giant exchange of money for feelings, this line is unpretentious about the fact that all these dudes are scumbags. ♫ oh yeah, board goes on, long after the thrill of postin' is gone ♫ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dfwabel Posted September 16, 2016 Share Posted September 16, 2016 24 minutes ago, Gothamite said: Reading the article again, I found more profound stupidity: Okay, Adelson, if there are no profits to be made, you can't possibly have any problem with saying all the profits will go to taxpayers. Right? I love this from the Las Vegas Sun, Quote The infrastructure committee staff released its own economic analysis, which showed a stadium pumping $35 million worth of taxes into the local and state economy. The analysis pegs the annual economic output at $620 million — a figure that includes spending at the stadium, materials purchased for stadium operations and people employed at the stadium who will, in turn, spend their salaries in the community. The analysis was built on the presumption that stadium events could bring 450,000 visitors who wouldn’t have otherwise come to Las Vegas. 450-500K additional folks? That with the following: 10 Raiders games Up to 11 days of rodeo 5-6 UNLV games 2 UFC events 1 bowl game 1 boxing event (Canelo is basically the only one who can sell over 20K seats) A weekend of HS championships There is lots of irony in that for the last six years, UNLV folks and fans were adamant that they needed an on-campus stadium to be competitive and now the proposed stadium will be either immediately west of Interstate 15 and north of Russell Road, or land now occupied by the Bali Hai golf course NEITHER of which are on campus! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JayMac Posted September 16, 2016 Share Posted September 16, 2016 I get the same amount of laughter out of this Las Vegas Raiders crap as I did with the whole Glendale/Coyotes debacle. What a joke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rockstar Matt Posted September 16, 2016 Share Posted September 16, 2016 1 hour ago, the admiral said: Then do some more reasoning. It's terrible. It's the Raiders, man. The ultimate bad boy, renegade team playing in Sin City. It's a train wreck waiting to happen and it just fits. Of course, due to how the stadium is being funded, it's a terrible idea. Cowboys - Lakers - LAFC - USMNT - LA Rams - LA Kings - NUFC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FiddySicks Posted September 16, 2016 Share Posted September 16, 2016 2 hours ago, Rockstar Matt said: It's a train wreck waiting to happen and it just fits. Not when that trainwreck is going to crush the citizens of Nevada. On 11/19/2012 at 7:23 PM, oldschoolvikings said: She’s still half convinced “Chris Creamer” is a porn site.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Admiral Posted September 16, 2016 Share Posted September 16, 2016 Oakland, Schmoakland, a team in the San Francisco Bay Area is more valuable than one in Las Vegas, even with the 49ers there too. I'm not necessarily saying the Raiders should be gentrified, in a sense, but having a stadium that's closer to San Francisco than Santa Clara is might be good business in the long run, no? ♫ oh yeah, board goes on, long after the thrill of postin' is gone ♫ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBTV Posted September 16, 2016 Share Posted September 16, 2016 How do they market themselves now? As a "bay area" team, or as an "Oakland" team? To this total outsider, they seem like the irrelevant step child, like the New Jersey Nets were. It seems that cities that have multiple teams usually have one "glamor" team that has a national following (like the Cubs) and then an "other" team with a grittier more local following (White Sox.) On the surface, besides the fact that almost anything is a better option than a team in Las Vegas, a true "bay area" team is a million times better. But an irrelevant Oakland-only team? I don't know. I think it's still better, provided they can upgrade their facility without robbing the tax payers, but I'm not sure it's a no brainer. Donald Sterling showed that you can be the irrelevant second fiddle, play in big brother's building, and still make a fortune. Maybe the Raiders can make that work too. "The views expressed here are mine and do not reflect the official opinion of my employer or the organization through which the Internet was accessed." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dfwabel Posted September 17, 2016 Share Posted September 17, 2016 19 minutes ago, BringBackTheVet said: How do they market themselves now? As a "bay area" team, or as an "Oakland" team? To this total outsider, they seem like the irrelevant step child, like the New Jersey Nets were. It seems that cities that have multiple teams usually have one "glamor" team that has a national following (like the Cubs) and then an "other" team with a grittier more local following (White Sox.) On the surface, besides the fact that almost anything is a better option than a team in Las Vegas, a true "bay area" team is a million times better. But an irrelevant Oakland-only team? I don't know. I think it's still better, provided they can upgrade their facility without robbing the tax payers, but I'm not sure it's a no brainer. Donald Sterling showed that you can be the irrelevant second fiddle, play in big brother's building, and still make a fortune. Maybe the Raiders can make that work too. To be honest, they really don't "market" themselves per se. In essence, they are "The Raiders". However, their team stores, The Raider Image, doesn't have a location in San Francisco, Marin or San Mateo counties. They do have stores to the east (Sacramento and Solano) and to the south (San Jose, Fresno, Riverside and L.A.). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBTV Posted September 17, 2016 Share Posted September 17, 2016 Not really relevant, but interesting - if you type "bay area" in to Google, it takes you to a map of the SF Bay Area - with the pin in Oakland. Also, didn't realize San Jose was an hour+ drive from San Fransisco. Much farther than I thought. Also didn't realize how far Palo Alto and Santa Clara were. "The views expressed here are mine and do not reflect the official opinion of my employer or the organization through which the Internet was accessed." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Admiral Posted September 17, 2016 Share Posted September 17, 2016 3 hours ago, BringBackTheVet said: How do they market themselves now? As a "bay area" team, or as an "Oakland" team? To this total outsider, they seem like the irrelevant step child, like the New Jersey Nets were. Hardly irrelevant! The Raiders are a cornerstone of the league. CBS Sports executives have gone on the record saying they need the Steelers and Raiders to be good so they can capture the national audiences that come with those teams. If a team with three Lombardis in five tries is irrelevant, what are the Chicago Bears? ♫ oh yeah, board goes on, long after the thrill of postin' is gone ♫ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rams80 Posted September 17, 2016 Share Posted September 17, 2016 13 hours ago, Gothamite said: "We get an NFL team, and that is a significant step forward for Las Vegas and the community,'' committee chairman Steve Hill said about the project's potential. "Those teams bring the community together. We're going to have people wearing Raiders jerseys and high-fiving each other. ... That's not something you can put a number on.'' I....don't think you understand this team's fanbase. At all. On 8/1/2010 at 4:01 PM, winters in buffalo said: You manage to balance agitation with just enough salient points to keep things interesting. Kind of a low-rent DG_Now. On 1/2/2011 at 9:07 PM, Sodboy13 said: Today, we are all otaku. "The city of Peoria was once the site of the largest distillery in the world and later became the site for mass production of penicillin. So it is safe to assume that present-day Peorians are descended from syphilitic boozehounds."-Stephen Colbert POTD: February 15, 2010, June 20, 2010 The Glorious Bloom State Penguins (NCFAF) 2014: 2-9, 2015: 7-5 (L Pineapple Bowl), 2016: 1-0 (NCFAB) 2014-15: 10-8, 2015-16: 14-5 (SMC Champs, L 1st Round February Frenzy) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wings Posted September 17, 2016 Share Posted September 17, 2016 17 hours ago, BringBackTheVet said: Not really relevant, but interesting - if you type "bay area" in to Google, it takes you to a map of the SF Bay Area - with the pin in Oakland. Also, didn't realize San Jose was an hour+ drive from San Fransisco. Much farther than I thought. Also didn't realize how far Palo Alto and Santa Clara were. Time wise it's like driving from Philly to Newark, Delaware. Depending on traffic in both areas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gothamite Posted September 17, 2016 Share Posted September 17, 2016 How's public transit down to SJ? The Green Bay Packers Uniform Database! Now in a handy blog. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FiddySicks Posted September 17, 2016 Share Posted September 17, 2016 29 minutes ago, Gothamite said: How's public transit down to SJ? Not bad. They've been pushing for a BART line down there for decades, but it's not really financially feasible. CalTrain does a good enough job, though. On 11/19/2012 at 7:23 PM, oldschoolvikings said: She’s still half convinced “Chris Creamer” is a porn site.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dfwabel Posted September 17, 2016 Share Posted September 17, 2016 34 minutes ago, Bucfan56 said: Not bad. They've been pushing for a BART line down there for decades, but it's not really financially feasible. CalTrain does a good enough job, though. The Warm Springs Extension is well underway and BART should be testing cars to the new Milpitas station within the end of the year with riders in 2017 to the San Jose city limit. VTA is constructing the other ten miles to Santa Clara and downtown San Jose. http://www.vta.org/bart Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gothamite Posted September 17, 2016 Share Posted September 17, 2016 Once Santa Clara is on a BART line, that stadium becomes worlds closer. The Green Bay Packers Uniform Database! Now in a handy blog. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dfwabel Posted September 17, 2016 Share Posted September 17, 2016 15 minutes ago, Gothamite said: Once Santa Clara is on a BART line, that stadium becomes worlds closer. From the city or San Mateo county, as Bucfan56 indicated, Caltrain w/ a transfer to VTA is currently taken to Levi's Stadium. On the East Bay, since BART isn't in yet Santa Clara county, there is the rail option of Amtrak's Capital Corridor, which has a stop at Great America, which is next to the stadium. But as it's Amtrak, it's not as often. http://www.capitolcorridor.org/stations/santa-clara-great-america/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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