FiddySicks Posted March 10, 2017 Share Posted March 10, 2017 Yeah, this whole thing isn't over. I still feel like this charade is going to go on for another year or two, and the moment the Coyotes are legitimately about to walk out the door, the state of Arizona is going to panic and give them hundreds of millions of dollars more for a new "Entertainment Complex" in, like, Ahwatukee or something. 1 Quote On 11/19/2012 at 7:23 PM, oldschoolvikings said: She’s still half convinced “Chris Creamer” is a porn site.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JayMac Posted March 10, 2017 Share Posted March 10, 2017 5 hours ago, Bucfan56 said: Yeah, this whole thing isn't over. I still feel like this charade is going to go on for another year or two, and the moment the Coyotes are legitimately about to walk out the door, the state of Arizona is going to panic and give them hundreds of millions of dollars more for a new "Entertainment Complex" in, like, Ahwatukee or something. Sadly, you are probably right. But how long must the charade go on? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeerGuyJordan Posted March 10, 2017 Share Posted March 10, 2017 I'll say what I've been saying for years. With proper ownership, and a little winning, any metro area of 2 million or more, in the US could work, for the NHL. Some places are going to be more of a fight. Some places can sustain bad, mismanaged teams, but "non-traditional" markets NEED to be well managed, if they want a chance. The Coyotes' problem is two-fold. Their team is poorly managed, which would make it a struggle anywhere in the metro area. Take a struggling team, put them on the outskirts of town, and you're compounding your problem. Phoenix is an area that could have worked, but it hasn't. It still could work, but that's incredibly unlikely. I want to see the Coyotes succeed, for three reasons. I live in Tucson, where their affiliate is. I am dating a die-hard 'yotes fan, and their continued existence allows me to go see my team once or twice, a year, without turning it into a big trip. Objectively, though, it's probably time to pull up stakes and move. 7 Quote Thunder Bay Lynx - International Hockey Association (2 seasons, 2017-18, 2019-20, 2018 Xtreme Cup Champions) | Houston Armadillos - Major League Hockey (2 seasons, 2016-18) | Minnesota Muskies - North American Basketball Association (1 season, 2017-2018) | Louisville Thoroughbreds - United League of Baseball (1 season, 2017, 2017 United Cup Champions) | Las Vegas Thunderbirds - International Basketball League (1 season, 2016-17, 2017 Champions) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Admiral Posted March 11, 2017 Author Share Posted March 11, 2017 But proper ownership and the NHL tend not to go hand-in-hand. The guy who bought the Lightning for next to nothing is considered one of the greatest men who ever lived just because he didn't leverage the team for a real-estate scheme or turn out to live in his car. 5 Quote ♫ oh yeah, board goes on, long after the thrill of postin' is gone ♫ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T-ROY Posted March 11, 2017 Share Posted March 11, 2017 Imagine spending $500 million for a new team of scraps when you could have eventually bought the Coyotes for less than half that 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solaris Posted March 13, 2017 Share Posted March 13, 2017 On 3/11/2017 at 0:03 AM, TRoyConcepts said: Imagine spending $500 million for a new team of scraps when you could have eventually bought the Coyotes for less than half that They've had offer after offer for that team. True North tried buying them, a few other people also have, but somehow it just fell through. I wonder how that could happen? Almost as if, external forces had some magical impact, Oh yeah, and they're trying to pull the trigger on this whole Vegas team before someone else comes in and captures the market from them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJM Posted March 13, 2017 Share Posted March 13, 2017 I haven't chimed in since I am biased as an avid fan/ticket holder, but what I always find the most interesting is the lack of support from non-Yotes fans that have relocated to the valley. I do not expect them to support the team from a fan standpoint, but from a hockey standpoint. I get the history/funding/"better" locations/etc. arguments, and in relation to Phoenix transplants they rightfully support their teams, but if the Coyotes leave, regardless of who you support, you will have no professional hockey. Quote (MLF) Chicago Cannons, (IHA) Phoenix Firebirds - 2021 Xtreme Cup Champions (WAFL) Phoenix Federals - WAFL World Bowl XII Champions (Defunct) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Admiral Posted March 13, 2017 Author Share Posted March 13, 2017 51 minutes ago, AJM said: I haven't chimed in since I am biased as an avid fan/ticket holder, but what I always find the most interesting is the lack of support from non-Yotes fans that have relocated to the valley. I do not expect them to support the team from a fan standpoint, but from a hockey standpoint. I get the history/funding/"better" locations/etc. arguments, and in relation to Phoenix transplants they rightfully support their teams, but if the Coyotes leave, regardless of who you support, you will have no professional hockey. Well, that you haven't heard from them probably speaks to the rhetorical bankruptcy of "save the Coyotes to see your team from back home." You're talking about one appearance a year from those teams, two from Chicago every other year, and two or three from Western Canada. Maybe those folks like having those games, but not enough to support the corporate welfare the Coyotes obviously need to survive. I mean, people don't move to Arizona to ambitiously fund the greater good; why would they care about some stupid sports team needing a new place to play? 3 Quote ♫ oh yeah, board goes on, long after the thrill of postin' is gone ♫ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJM Posted March 14, 2017 Share Posted March 14, 2017 20 hours ago, the admiral said: Well, that you haven't heard from them probably speaks to the rhetorical bankruptcy of "save the Coyotes to see your team from back home." You're talking about one appearance a year from those teams, two from Chicago every other year, and two or three from Western Canada. Maybe those folks like having those games, but not enough to support the corporate welfare the Coyotes obviously need to survive. I mean, people don't move to Arizona to ambitiously fund the greater good; why would they care about some stupid sports team needing a new place to play? Great points. By no means did I ever expect the collective fandom of NHL fans (of other teams) living in metro PHX to play a significant factor (monetary or vocal) in keeping the team here and/or a new arena (outside of purchasing tickets)...looking back maybe "support" was too strong of a word. For the most part it is just an interesting and odd dynamic to see/hear opposing fans say the Yotes should leave (and I get it to a degree), but by default you are calling for a team to leave and thus end your ability to see your team once/twice a year and/or NHL hockey. Quote (MLF) Chicago Cannons, (IHA) Phoenix Firebirds - 2021 Xtreme Cup Champions (WAFL) Phoenix Federals - WAFL World Bowl XII Champions (Defunct) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildwing64 Posted March 19, 2017 Share Posted March 19, 2017 The Coyotes are reducing their seating capacity next season. Quote PotD: 24/08/2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IceCap Posted March 19, 2017 Share Posted March 19, 2017 4 hours ago, wildwing64 said: The Coyotes are reducing their seating capacity next season. *remembers years back when people said Winnipeg would never work because their arena was too small for NHL hockey* Quote PotD 26/2/12 1/7/15 2020 BASS Spin the Wheel, Make the Deal Regular Season Champion 2021 BASS NFL Pick'em Regular Season Champion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Admiral Posted March 19, 2017 Author Share Posted March 19, 2017 The real bummer in all of this is that it does appear to be a very, very nice arena. Quote ♫ oh yeah, board goes on, long after the thrill of postin' is gone ♫ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Still MIGHTY Posted March 19, 2017 Share Posted March 19, 2017 For reference, they're tarping off the four upper level corner sections 205, 211, 220, 226. And for an arena that really has no bad viewing seat, those would be my choice for worst aesthetically. You're right up against a wall (they have these suite "towers" in the four corners). You feel slightly less connected with the rest of the arena. Of course any pro team tarping off seats sounds bad and it'll probably look bad, but idk if this will affect anything really when it comes to the game watching experience there. Quote | ANA | LAA | LAR | LAL | ASU | CSULB | USMNT | USWNT | LAFC | OCSC | MAN UTD | Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBTV Posted March 19, 2017 Share Posted March 19, 2017 I hate hearing seats referred to as "inventory". Quote "The views expressed here are mine and do not reflect the official opinion of my employer or the organization through which the Internet was accessed." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Admiral Posted March 19, 2017 Author Share Posted March 19, 2017 The arena doesn't appear to have retractable seating down in front like most arenas do. That's interesting because most arenas have a floor much wider than 85 feet. Quote ♫ oh yeah, board goes on, long after the thrill of postin' is gone ♫ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJM Posted March 20, 2017 Share Posted March 20, 2017 The lower portions of sections 104 - 108 are retractable to allow for staging...not a whole lot of retractable, but some. Quote (MLF) Chicago Cannons, (IHA) Phoenix Firebirds - 2021 Xtreme Cup Champions (WAFL) Phoenix Federals - WAFL World Bowl XII Champions (Defunct) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Admiral Posted March 20, 2017 Author Share Posted March 20, 2017 Interesting. That's a lot less retractable seating than I'm used to seeing in the more multi-use arenas. Look at how big the Bradley Center floor is: Quote ♫ oh yeah, board goes on, long after the thrill of postin' is gone ♫ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sodboy13 Posted March 25, 2017 Share Posted March 25, 2017 The Guardian Project lives on! (in court) http://www.avclub.com/article/stan-lees-failed-hockey-superheroes-are-center-500-252702?utm_content=Main&utm_campaign=SF&utm_source=Twitter&utm_medium=SocialMarketing 5 Quote On 1/25/2013 at 1:53 PM, 'Atom said: For all the bird de lis haters I think the bird de lis isnt supposed to be a pelican and a fleur de lis I think its just a fleur de lis with a pelicans head. Thats what it looks like to me. Also the flair around the tip of the beak is just flair that fleur de lis have sometimes source I am from NOLA. PotD: 10/19/07, 08/25/08, 07/22/10, 08/13/10, 04/15/11, 05/19/11, 01/02/12, and 01/05/12. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcj882000 Posted April 2, 2017 Share Posted April 2, 2017 So Ken King decided to open his mouth today...https://www.nhl.com/flames/news/message-from-ken-king-to-flames-fans/c-288359250 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cosmic Posted April 3, 2017 Share Posted April 3, 2017 WE WON'T THREATEN TO MOVE AS A TACTIC. I'M JUST SAYING THAT WE WILL MOVE IF WE DON'T HAVE A COOL, NEW PLACE TO PLAY. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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