The_Admiral Posted January 22, 2016 Share Posted January 22, 2016 The designated hitter was a gimmick from the days of Astroturf and Sansabelt pants and belongs in the dustbin of history with both. ♫ oh yeah, board goes on, long after the thrill of postin' is gone ♫ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JayMac Posted January 22, 2016 Share Posted January 22, 2016 I am not surprised at all. It was inevitable. I can't say I really like either. I don't like the DH and the pitcher hitting is useless, in most cases. I called for 8 hitters but I'm sure thats the least popular opinion in sports history. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FiddySicks Posted January 22, 2016 Share Posted January 22, 2016 The DH is employing a guy to do half of a job so that half of your team doesn't have to do half of their job. Seriously, screw the DH. On 11/19/2012 at 7:23 PM, oldschoolvikings said: She’s still half convinced “Chris Creamer” is a porn site.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pmoehrin Posted January 22, 2016 Share Posted January 22, 2016 19 minutes ago, BringBackTheVet said: Maybe, as long as it was any position and not just pitcher. Could create some interesting decisions - use your masher in the 3rd inning or save him until later? also maybe limit that to two "courtesy" uses, after which the hit-for player would have to exit the game like normal. The strategy element your referring is exactly to the point of why I like it. In regards to pinch hitter limits, to me it would be a bit redundant because MLB teams only carry four to five bench players anyway and I don't think there's a single manager in baseball that wouldn't want to come into the ninth inning with at least two players still on the bench, especially in a close game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KittSmith_95 Posted January 22, 2016 Share Posted January 22, 2016 Why not do the opposite and remove the DH entirely? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmm Posted January 22, 2016 Share Posted January 22, 2016 Because the MLBPA won't go for it. The DH is stupid and the AL is stupid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBTV Posted January 22, 2016 Share Posted January 22, 2016 1 hour ago, cmm said: Because the MLBPA won't go for it. The DH is stupid and the AL is stupid. Yeah this. Adding the DH is like going black. I've tried to think of an acceptable compromise, but since a DH can earn so much more than the relief pitcher or utility player he'd likely be replaced by there's no way to remove it now. Unless... they make the pitcher bat and use an EH, like some softball leagues do. So you'd have 10-man lineups. Obviously not as elegant as going through the lineup 3 times in a perfect game (2.7 times?) though. "The views expressed here are mine and do not reflect the official opinion of my employer or the organization through which the Internet was accessed." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Admiral Posted January 23, 2016 Share Posted January 23, 2016 The rules of baseball are very hard to improve on. I can't think of many. I'd say speeding up games, but that's just the enforcement of rules that were already there. ♫ oh yeah, board goes on, long after the thrill of postin' is gone ♫ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBTV Posted January 23, 2016 Share Posted January 23, 2016 Agree, just trying to save the sacrifice bunt. SAVE THE SAC BUNT! "The views expressed here are mine and do not reflect the official opinion of my employer or the organization through which the Internet was accessed." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oddball Posted January 23, 2016 Share Posted January 23, 2016 Another take on this is that as the horrendous pitching in baseball continues at it's quality and stamina rate, National League style baseball will get to a point where every inning you will be pinch hitting and you will have a roster of 15-18 pitchers and you will need a DH. This would probably require a roster of 30. At least the DH might get us pitchers who can give 3 decent innings because they won't have to be pinch hit for every inning... right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBTV Posted January 23, 2016 Share Posted January 23, 2016 There's nothing that indicates it's heading that way. Not really sure how you're getting to the point of needing 15 pitchers. A bigger issue than relievers who can't go 3 is starters that can't go 6, and that's not a one-league issue. If better starters were developed then there wouldn't be a need for three-inning relievers. The only benefit I see to a DH is you don't have to pull a dominating pitcher out of the 8th inning of a 1-0 game, or decide if he can go for his no-hitter or not because you really should pinch hit for him. But that just gives you things to debate and adds to the fun of it. "The views expressed here are mine and do not reflect the official opinion of my employer or the organization through which the Internet was accessed." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
infrared41 Posted January 23, 2016 Share Posted January 23, 2016 2 hours ago, BringBackTheVet said: Yeah this. Adding the DH is like going black. I've tried to think of an acceptable compromise, but since a DH can earn so much more than the relief pitcher or utility player he'd likely be replaced by there's no way to remove it now. How about this as a compromise? Increase the roster size from 25 to 30 and eliminate the DH. The union gets 5 more jobs per team and we get real baseball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBTV Posted January 23, 2016 Share Posted January 23, 2016 2 minutes ago, infrared41 said: How about this as a compromise? Increase the roster size from 25 to 30 and eliminate the DH. The union gets 5 more jobs per team and we get real baseball. Well for one I think that's too many people - takes away from some of the strategy decisions that come with having a short bench. That, and there's barely 25 major-league ready players per team, let alone 30. I get your point though - but if I was the union I would counter that a stud DH can get paid $20M, while these extra 5 roster spots would probably be minimum-wage jobs. I'm assuming that there's DHs that can make that much - I really can't name many DHs. "The views expressed here are mine and do not reflect the official opinion of my employer or the organization through which the Internet was accessed." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBTV Posted January 23, 2016 Share Posted January 23, 2016 Just now, BringBackTheVet said: Well for one I think that's too many people - takes away from some of the strategy decisions that come with having a short bench. That, and there's barely 25 major-league ready players per team, let alone 30. I get your point though - but if I was the union I would counter that a stud DH can get paid $20M, while these extra 5 roster spots would probably be minimum-wage jobs, and the old broken down mashers that are currently DHs wouldn't really qualify for any of those 5 positions. I'm assuming that there's DHs that can make that much - I really can't name many DHs. "The views expressed here are mine and do not reflect the official opinion of my employer or the organization through which the Internet was accessed." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaytonBlue Posted January 23, 2016 Share Posted January 23, 2016 If we must have the DH, I saw it only be tied to one specific player (probably almost always the starting pitcher)... When you remove the pitcher, the next time his spot comes up in the order the DH becomes a pinch hitter. Keeps some strategy while reducing the amount of times pitchers hit. (Relief pitchers rarely bat in NL now.) "I did absolutely nothing and it was everything I thought it could be." -Peter Gibbons RIP Demitra #38 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FiddySicks Posted January 23, 2016 Share Posted January 23, 2016 Here's a novel idea. Instead of catering to pitchers who can't hit, howabout they stop taking the bat out of the hands of any kid who shows some pitching potential before they even have a drivers license. That's why pitchers can't hit, they never get the opportunity to. There are a million levels of the minor leagues, and not a single one is set up for pitchers to hit? Who's stupid idea was that? Why are we actively encouraging athletes to avoid playing half of the game? And I'm not saying that pitchers have to be Babe Ruth or anything, but they play professional baseball. They should get at least some level of training rather than just ignoring it. The Designated Hitter is such a fundamentally terrible idea that I really can't believe it's lasted this long let alone overtaken the entire game with its tomfoolery. On 11/19/2012 at 7:23 PM, oldschoolvikings said: She’s still half convinced “Chris Creamer” is a porn site.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmm Posted January 23, 2016 Share Posted January 23, 2016 But Masahiro Tanaka and Chien-Ming Wang both got hurt running the bases! They shouldn't have to hit--they're pitchers, not baseball players! And they might get a boo-boo running off the mound to field a batted ball. We need a designated fielder too, so these precious angels never get hurt again! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smzimbabwe Posted January 23, 2016 Share Posted January 23, 2016 Eliminate the DH completely, only have the 8 position players hit... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2001mark Posted January 23, 2016 Share Posted January 23, 2016 Pro DH. I'm also pro 8 man batting order. Axe both DHs & Pitchers hitting. Also shorten the season to 150 games, stats could align historically enough, voila. @2001mark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monkeypower Posted January 23, 2016 Share Posted January 23, 2016 I guess I'm in favor of it just to have the leagues the same. Being an AL fan and living in a country where most of the regularly scheduled TV games are DH'ed, it's not something out of the ordinary. I think people like to see the pitchers hit homeruns, but never the 4 pitch weak strikeout nor the weak baserunning. I remember last year CJ Wilson was tagged out doing a headfirst slide as he tried to turn a single into a double (against Arizona I think). There were a number of Angel and other fans who were shocked he had the audacity to slide and were worried about injuries. Why have the pitchers bat if the fans are going to be up in arms anytime they do something on the basepaths? With that, why have the pitchers bat if they are only going to do a quarter of what a player would do? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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