MLB Stadium Saga: Oakland/Tampa Bay/Southside

[FrutigerAero]

Brodie Brazil reaction, brings up the points I expected.

 

[kolob]

5 hours ago, GhostOfNormMacdonald said:

They should just let Caesar's have the team and make the stadium a replica of the Roman Coliseum

 

I don't know why I love this idea so much? It'd be the most Las Vegas thing ever.

[The_Admiral]

On 3/3/2024 at 4:36 PM, FiddySicks said:

I have to wonder though if local corporate money would be an issue with SLC. I don’t have any real idea what their corporate base is out there, but for a place like Sacramento, that’s probably the very biggest hurdle. 

 

They have this one really really big corporation with a diversified portfolio of retail, agriculture, broadcasting, and investment funds. The problem is that the corporation thinks it's a church.

[SFGiants58]

24 minutes ago, The_Admiral said:

The problem is that the corporation thinks it's a church.

That reminds me, I really gotta listen to The Killers again.

[infrared41]

On 3/3/2024 at 8:14 PM, BBTV said:

There is 0.0% chance of a permanent MLB team in SLC.  I'll change my user name to "I__am_a_flaming_Dbag" for a year (like we made that one guy do) if it happens.

 

Let's take it to the next level: "I_am_a_flaming_communist_dbag_whore".  We can pressure the 30ish members of the XII to get that cleared.

 

The new name is pre-approved, but the M-XII rejected the underscores by a vote of 21-6. As a result, should SLC happen, your new name will be "I am a flaming communist d-bag whore." The Majestic X-II Committee on Names of Users, Agriculture, and Transportation believes this is a just and reasonable compromise.

 

The Majestic XII have spoken.

[Red Comet]

9 hours ago, GhostOfNormMacdonald said:

They should just let Caesar's have the team and make the stadium a replica of the Roman Coliseum

Call it the Las Vegas Legion and we’ll be golden. 
 

“Degenerates like you belong….in our stadium!!!”

 

Spoiler

House is the best faction, don’t @ me

 

[VampyrRabbit]

7 hours ago, Brian in Boston said:

From the Oakland Athletics to the Las Vegas Armadillos, while still being dubbed the A's.  At the very least, perhaps we'll see the A's  adopting an alternate mark that replaces an elephant standing atop a baseball with an armadillo mounting a baseball.    

But the white elephant is going to be perfect for the team in Vegas.

[BBTV]

3 hours ago, infrared41 said:

 

The new name is pre-approved, but the M-XII rejected the underscores by a vote of 21-6. As a result, should SLC happen, your new name will be "I am a flaming communist d-bag whore." The Majestic X-II Committee on Names of Users, Agriculture, and Transportation believes this is a just and reasonable compromise.

 

The Majestic XII have spoken.

 

I think the committee may need to reach out to the group that handles extraterrestrials, infectious disease, and sea-mammal affairs (I assume that's who handles IT) to work on a system upgrade that will allow for spaces.  Right now I'm not sure it'll work.

[infrared41]

31 minutes ago, BBTV said:

 

I think the committee may need to reach out to the group that handles extraterrestrials, infectious disease, and sea-mammal affairs (I assume that's who handles IT) to work on a system upgrade that will allow for spaces.  Right now I'm not sure it'll work.

 

We already have a similar committee.

 

With regard to spaces, See Red Comet above.

[FrutigerAero]

SLC has no problem with corporate sponsors... some that come to mind are Delta and Vivint.  Lots of tech money there. Adobe, Discover out there to.  Small market yes but what are we asking for here?  A 'big market' like the Bay Area?  Or any of the cities in FL?  Look how that's working out...

 

Amazing how people will defend Oakland as if they deserve to keep their baseball team while a team with similar success would be selling out all season long in Salt Lake City.  Utah grew 20% in the last decade.  Youngest state in the US (demographic MLB supposedly cares about).  Sport-obsessed state... literally women's soccer and gymnastics sell out there folks.  And a sports-obsessed state with a hole in the summer.  Football hasn't started yet, basketball is over.  It's a good option.

 

[GhostOfNormMacdonald]

    Mormonism is like if American exceptionalism was a religion. You gotta think they'd have guys in short sleeve dress shirts packing that stadium.  turn it into a temple. They'll watch America's game in droves    EDIT: not a shot at Mormons btw

[The_Admiral]

6 minutes ago, GhostOfNormMacdonald said:

    Mormonism is like if American exceptionalism was a religion. 

 

WASP exceptionalism predates America. There was an old boutique belief that the English are the lost tribes of Israel, best encapsulated by the old hymn "Jerusalem." Utah, ethnically the most English state in America, has kind of kept that going through Mormonism, which I think has more in common with Judaism and Islam than with trinitarian Christianity. 

 

Indigenous American Christianity is fascinating stuff, though, for real. Mormons and Christian Scientists both did some neat stuff architecturally for a while there.

[BBTV]

41 minutes ago, FrutigerAero said:

SLC has no problem with corporate sponsors... some that come to mind are Delta and Vivint.  Lots of tech money there. Adobe, Discover out there to.  Small market yes but what are we asking for here?  A 'big market' like the Bay Area?  Or any of the cities in FL?  Look how that's working out...

 

Amazing how people will defend Oakland as if they deserve to keep their baseball team while a team with similar success would be selling out all season long in Salt Lake City.  Utah grew 20% in the last decade.  Youngest state in the US (demographic MLB supposedly cares about).  Sport-obsessed state... literally women's soccer and gymnastics sell out there folks.  And a sports-obsessed state with a hole in the summer.  Football hasn't started yet, basketball is over.  It's a good option.

 

 

Thanks for the laugh.  "Selling out all season long in SLC"?  You're telling me that a small-ass place like SLC is going to sell out 81 games a year?  Games where they'll sell that low-alcohol beer?  Getting to games isn't exactly convenient in a place as sparse and sprawling as the SLC area, and... 81 games.

 

It's a complete joke.It will never happen.  If you'll excuse me, I'm gong to half for a few minutes.

[Sec19Row53]

10 minutes ago, BBTV said:

 

Thanks for the laugh.  "Selling out all season long in SLC"?  You're telling me that a small-ass place like SLC is going to sell out 81 games a year?  Games where they'll sell that low-alcohol beer?  Getting to games isn't exactly convenient in a place as sparse and sprawling as the SLC area, and... 81 games.

 

It's a complete joke.It will never happen.  If you'll excuse me, I'm gong to half for a few minutes.

This should be the new 'I'm in phone'

[LMU]

17 minutes ago, BBTV said:

 

Thanks for the laugh.  "Selling out all season long in SLC"?  You're telling me that a small-ass place like SLC is going to sell out 81 games a year?  Games where they'll sell that low-alcohol beer?  Getting to games isn't exactly convenient in a place as sparse and sprawling as the SLC area, and... 81 games.

 

It's a complete joke.It will never happen.  If you'll excuse me, I'm gong to half for a few minutes.

 

6 minutes ago, Sec19Row53 said:

This should be the new 'I'm in phone'

[infrared41]

1 hour ago, BBTV said:

 

Thanks for the laugh.  "Selling out all season long in SLC"?  You're telling me that a small-ass place like SLC is going to sell out 81 games a year?  Games where they'll sell that low-alcohol beer?  Getting to games isn't exactly convenient in a place as sparse and sprawling as the SLC area, and... 81 games.

 

It's a complete joke.It will never happen.  If you'll excuse me, I'm gong to half for a few minutes.

 

Not to mention, it's all hot in Salt Lake City in the summer. Best I can tell, there are no plans for a dome for the new Mormon Municipal Temple Field.

[FiddySicks]

5 hours ago, FrutigerAero said:

SLC has no problem with corporate sponsors... some that come to mind are Delta and Vivint.  Lots of tech money there. Adobe, Discover out there to.  Small market yes but what are we asking for here?  A 'big market' like the Bay Area?  Or any of the cities in FL?  Look how that's working out...

 

Amazing how people will defend Oakland as if they deserve to keep their baseball team while a team with similar success would be selling out all season long in Salt Lake City.  Utah grew 20% in the last decade.  Youngest state in the US (demographic MLB supposedly cares about).  Sport-obsessed state... literally women's soccer and gymnastics sell out there folks.  And a sports-obsessed state with a hole in the summer.  Football hasn't started yet, basketball is over.  It's a good option.

 

[FiddySicks]

5 hours ago, FrutigerAero said:

SLC has no problem with corporate sponsors... some that come to mind are Delta and Vivint.  Lots of tech money there. Adobe, Discover out there to.  Small market yes but what are we asking for here?  A 'big market' like the Bay Area?  Or any of the cities in FL?  Look how that's working out...

 

Amazing how people will defend Oakland as if they deserve to keep their baseball team while a team with similar success would be selling out all season long in Salt Lake City.  Utah grew 20% in the last decade.  Youngest state in the US (demographic MLB supposedly cares about).  Sport-obsessed state... literally women's soccer and gymnastics sell out there folks.  And a sports-obsessed state with a hole in the summer.  Football hasn't started yet, basketball is over.  It's a good option.

 

Ok, not sure we’re exactly on same page here. I’m not asking what companies have a branch presence in a particular city. I’m asking what kind of a corporate base your city has. What revenue is being created and generated specifically from that area? 
 

Of the four companies you named, only Vivant is Utah based. Delta is Atlanta, Adobe is San Jose, and Discover is, like, Chicago. It’s a pretty important part of all of this considering these teams are so heavily dependent on advertising dollars. The vast majority come from that local corporate base. 
 

If you want to know why people defend Oakland, there you go. The Bay Area is an absolute behemoth when it comes to their local corporate base. Salt Lake City? Yeah, not so much. 

[FrutigerAero]

1 minute ago, FiddySicks said:

Ok, not sure we’re exactly on same page here. I’m not asking what companies have a branch presence in a particular city. I’m asking what kind of a corporate base your city has. What revenue is being created and generated specifically from that area? 
 

Of the four companies you named, only Vivant is Utah based. Delta is Atlanta, Adobe is San Jose, and Discover is, like, Chicago. It’s a pretty important part of all of this considering these teams are so heavily dependent on advertising dollars. The vast majority come from that local corporate base. 
 

If you want to know why people defend Oakland, there you go. The Bay Area is an absolute behemoth when it comes to their local corporate base. Salt Lake City? Yeah, not so much. 

Nah you're good, I think we're agreeing more than disagreeing here. I don't think money-wise, they would be a money printer, don't misunderstand me.  Moneywise MLB should probably just put a third team in New York (New Jersey Jerseys?).  I guess I was thinking, "No corporate sponsors?  Surely they could muster as many as Milwaulkee".

 

But re: Delta, Delta's name is literally on the Utah NBA arena.  A big sponsor.  SLC is not their headquarters, but it is their western hub.

 

5 hours ago, BBTV said:

 

Thanks for the laugh.  "Selling out all season long in SLC"?  You're telling me that a small-ass place like SLC is going to sell out 81 games a year?  Games where they'll sell that low-alcohol beer?  Getting to games isn't exactly convenient in a place as sparse and sprawling as the SLC area, and... 81 games.

 

It's a complete joke.It will never happen.  If you'll excuse me, I'm gong to half for a few minutes.

 

So weirdly hostile.  From living in 6 different states in all parts of the US and observing the culture and attitudes and preferences in each, what I've seen is that Utah people love sports, more than any other place I've been to, and I do not say that lightly.  If you disagree, fine, but your experiences are not mine. 

 

I believe putting a team in Utah would mean adding MLB fans who would give a crap and if the team was competing, they would easily draw 80-90% all season long.  They wouldn't make as much money as a big city team with a big TV deal and apathetic transplants.  Definitely, but I'm not an owner counting dimes so I don't care.

 

But some of the complaints are just weird.  Hard to get to games?  Utah has a great public transportation system that can take you right downtown all the way from the south of the valley.  And the traffic is never bad.  Check out where they're ranked here.  Maybe it will make you laugh with joy at what a good transportation system it is:

 

Rankings: Transportation - Best States (usnews.com)

 

Now here is what is hard... getting to Oracle to see my Giants 

[BBTV]

That link doesn't actually mention anything about public transportation.  And making money matters.  Making money over 81 games matters.  They won't have a big TV or media rights deal, they won't be top-tier in payroll, they will have to overspend to get anyone that's not white to play there, and even in what would be one of the smallest parks in the league, they'd have to attempt to fill >30k people all summer and possibly fall long, when there's a billion other better things to do for outdoorsy types in Utah.  Not sure exactly where a ballpark would be, but assuming the light rail and buses go there, I'd have to expect that they're not equipped for that amount of use for what could be something like 10 of 11 days on a homestand.

 

 

If I'm wrong I'm wrong, and I've already put on the table what I'll do if I'm wrong.  I'm nearly confident enough to pull a Black Mirror and upload a video of myself fornicating with a pig if it happens, with the video caption reading "BBTV was wrong, must pay price".