Stadium/Arena Saga Omnibus

[tp49]

11 hours ago, TBGKon said:

Interesting caveat for the A's

 

Ballpark Digest: Legislators debate new Las Vegas ballpark; Sacramento to host A’s?

I wouldn't put much stock in that.  First, don't believe a word that comes out of Darrell's mouth.  He's as full of it as anyone in that town and maybe even more inept.  Second, he wouldn't have much say there anyway as the ballpark is in West Sacramento which is a separate city, in a separate county.  If the West Sac mayor were saying this my ears might perk up a little and even then I'd dismiss it.

 

6 hours ago, bosrs1 said:

 Five years ago I’d have agreed or when Selig was commissioner I’d have definitely agreed. Manfred though, seems to have a hard on for getting out of Oakland, hence talking about waiving relocation fees and now using the A’s move as a de facto threat against other teams like Milwaukee. He’s seemingly done with Oakland. And after 30 years who can blame him. Fisher is an inept cheapskate boob of an owner, but Oakland is equally inept at the leadership level and has been for a very long time. Well run cities don’t lose 3 teams in 5 years among other failings. 

Oakland is the poster child for inept governance.  Sacramento is a very close second.  I see no chance of the A's using Sacramento for any type of stopgap. 

 

3 hours ago, FiddySicks said:

I’ve been here for nearly two decades and from the very first few posts I made, I was pushing the A’s to Sacramento. It’s one of my oldest hills I’ve died on many times here before. 
 

 

Now, that being said, OH, COME ON. Even Sacramento, as shameless as it can be, isn’t willing to be a stopgap between a city with more crime and a city with less water. Ridiculous. They would draw about as well as the Oilers did in Memphis. 

I think they'd draw worse than the River Cats do now.

[BBTV]

18 hours ago, Ferdinand Cesarano said:

 

I think that new ownership would be embraced by exacerbated fans, especially if new owners returned to the table with the city and got the new ballpark at Howard Terminal done.

 

New ownership can cure a lot of things.  In many orgs, the owner is synonymous with the team, so ill will against the team just kinda goes away with a change in leadership.  But that process takes time - even if an ownership group emerged at this very second, it's a process to get through all the vetting and financial gymnastics to get it done - at which point they've been in the Coliseum for even longer, and then have to start working on these new projects from practically scratch.

 

So I think you're right, I just think it's too late.

[Ferdinand Cesarano]

1 hour ago, BBTV said:

New ownership can cure a lot of things.  In many orgs, the owner is synonymous with the team, so ill will against the team just kinda goes away with a change in leadership.  But that process takes time - even if an ownership group emerged at this very second, it's a process to get through all the vetting and financial gymnastics to get it done - at which point they've been in the Coliseum for even longer, and then have to start working on these new projects from practically scratch.

 

So I think you're right, I just think it's too late.

 

That's a good point. However, the Oakland mayor has stated that she would go back to the table even with the current ownership, if it approached her. So, if a new ownership came in and if it were willing to pick up the process right where the current ownership abandoned it in April with the "binding (ha!) agreement" announcement that caught the Oakland government by surprise, then there would be no need to start from scratch.

 

(And, by the way, I stupidly wrote "exacerbated fans" when I meant "exasperated fans". I have corrected that error, which was one of the pitfalls of posting at work, while phones are ringing and other things are happening!)

[Digby]

You could argue that Oakland is a poorly managed city but I don’t think a refusal to play ball with even more poorly run sports teams really counts in that argument.

[VampyrRabbit]

9 minutes ago, Digby said:

You could argue that Oakland is a poorly managed city but I don’t think a refusal to play ball with even more poorly run sports teams really counts in that argument.

If the A's ownership really wanted to stay in Oakland, they wouldn't be sandbagging for the past 3 seasons. Nothing short of bending over backwards for that ownership would have kept the A's in the city with Fisher and Kaval in charge.

[bosrs1]

4pm start times if they move to Vegas to cater to tourists? That’s just swell. 

 

https://www.nbcsports.com/bayarea/athletics/mlb-rumors-athletics-john-fisher-considering-tweak-las-vegas-tourists

[BBTV]

Yeah a good way to build a local fan base is to time your games so none of them can actually attend. I get the desire to cater to tourists, but no tourist who’s not a fan of the road team is going to attend a game there.

 

It would be the ultimate admission that a team exists solely for visitors to see. Money being equal, why on earth would any player want to sign there, except to play where they’d never be booed by their own fans?

[GhostOfNormMacdonald]

On 5/30/2023 at 7:17 PM, FiddySicks said:

They would draw about as well as the Oilers did in Memphis. 

Which is somehow better than how attendance is in Oakland at this point lol

[bosrs1]

49 minutes ago, GhostOfNormMacdonald said:

Which is somehow better than how attendance is in Oakland at this point lol

 

Beat me to it. They could play anywhere else at this point and out draw what they’re getting in Oakland. These last few months have made the Expos final season seem enviable, which is impressive in a sad way.

[bosrs1]

Looks like Kaval and Fisher unfortunately had a productive day in Carson City

 

https://www.si.com/mlb/athletics/news/as-owner-and-president-attempt-to-rally-support-for-their-vegas-relocation

 

 

[GDAWG]

Las Vegas is basically the Thanos of pro sports, because they want to collect all of the major league sports teams, like Thanos did with the Infinity Stones.  

 

They weren't content with the NHL so they wanted an NFL team.  Once they got an NFL team, they weren't content with that either, and now they want an MLB team.  Once they get the A's, they will want an NBA team and an MLS team and won't be completely satisfied until they have an NHL, MLB, NBA, NFL and MLS teams but even then, they probably want more.  

 

Sooner or later, this will all end up backfiring for Las Vegas.  

[tBBP]

21 minutes ago, GDAWG said:

Las Vegas is basically the Thanos of pro sports, because they want to collect all of the major league sports teams, like Thanos did with the Infinity Stones.  

 

They weren't content with the NHL so they wanted an NFL team.  Once they got an NFL team, they weren't content with that either, and now they want an MLB team.  Once they get the A's, they will want an NBA team and an MLS team and won't be completely satisfied until they have an NHL, MLB, NBA, NFL and MLS teams but even then, they probably want more.  

 

Sooner or later, this will all end up backfiring for Las Vegas.  

 

Uhhh...let's pop the brakes there for a second. I'm sure the fine denizens of Vegas would/did welcome the pro sports teams but...it's the owners that wanted Vegas, not necessarily the other way around. (And judging from c couple chats I had with the locals/natives last time I was out there, very few cared about the Raiders and just about none of them care for the A's moving in.)

 

But yes...sooner or later all that very well could end up backfiring on the town.

[GDAWG]

36 minutes ago, tBBP said:

 

Uhhh...let's pop the brakes there for a second. I'm sure the fine denizens of Vegas would/did welcome the pro sports teams but...it's the owners that wanted Vegas, not necessarily the other way around. (And judging from c couple chats I had with the locals/natives last time I was out there, very few cared about the Raiders and just about none of them care for the A's moving in.)

 

But yes...sooner or later all that very well could end up backfiring on the town.

 

I just don't think Las Vegas should automatically get an NBA team because their Vegas and already has a relationship with the NBA through the Summer League.  If anything I think the 32nd WNBA team should be Louisville or even Kansas City.   They also should not be in the running for future MLS expansion and was very happy they didn't become the 30th MLS team and if MLS goes 32 it should be Indianapolis and Louisville (if Lou City gets a major financial backer) or Phoenix (if Phoenix Rising ever gets a long term stadium solution).

[dont care]

1 hour ago, GDAWG said:

Las Vegas is basically the Thanos of pro sports, because they want to collect all of the major league sports teams, like Thanos did with the Infinity Stones.  

 

They weren't content with the NHL so they wanted an NFL team.  Once they got an NFL team, they weren't content with that either, and now they want an MLB team.  Once they get the A's, they will want an NBA team and an MLS team and won't be completely satisfied until they have an NHL, MLB, NBA, NFL and MLS teams but even then, they probably want more.  

 

Sooner or later, this will all end up backfiring for Las Vegas.  

You’re wrong their, it’s the teams that wanted to play in Vegas and they simply accepted them.

[GDAWG]

7 minutes ago, dont care said:

You’re wrong their, it’s the teams that wanted to play in Vegas and they simply accepted them.

 

I just don't think Vegas is sustainable enough for 5 Major League Teams.  

[GDAWG]

 

[BBTV]

I can't tell if New York New York is in that shot, but it would be ironic if the team with the New York skyline visible from its park isn't a New York team.

[GDAWG]

if the Nevada Legislature doesn't pass the A's Stadium deal, John Fisher and Dave Kaval will get a Seth Rollins style laugh from me.

 

 

[MiK]

Welp, Nevada legislative session ends with no vote on the A's stadium. Gov can still call for a special session - have to imagine that would only happen if there's confidence the vote would pass.

[tBBP]

Now I'm hoping Nevada tells Fisher and Kaval to go shove it, just to see what they try to pull next...