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6 minutes ago, ltravisjr said:

The funny thing is, back in the 70’s-80’s I didn’t really think of the powder blue as a “color” per se. It was just a neutral, as we think of road gray now. Perhaps that is because it wasn’t part of a team’s brand, but just the blank “canvas” of a standard road set. I contrast that with the all maroon Indians, monochrome yellow Pirates, etc. of that era, which garner a totally different “out of the box” perception than the monochrome powder blues.

 

That's exactly how it was for me growing up.  I mean, I could obviously tell they were blue, but never gave it a second thought since there were two options for road colors and some had A and some had B.  The blue was really just another shade of gray.

 

I think the only team for which I really considered the uniform "blue" was the Royals.  

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14 minutes ago, ltravisjr said:

The funny thing is, back in the 70’s-80’s I didn’t really think of the powder blue as a “color” per se. It was just a neutral, as we think of road gray now. Perhaps that is because it wasn’t part of a team’s brand, but just the blank “canvas” of a standard road set. I contrast that with the all maroon Indians, monochrome yellow Pirates, etc. of that era, which garner a totally different “out of the box” perception than the monochrome powder blues.

 

I, too, come from the 1970s and 1980s.  And I can assure you that no fan of the Yankees or the Mets ever thought of powder blue as "neutral".  It always stood in contrast to neutral and normal grey.  This is why the powder blue was particularly ill-suited to the Cardinals, a grand franchise with a storied history of excellence.

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what's with the neck on that?  Is it just a crew-neck?  That would have been a first.

 

Power blue would have worked really well for the Mets '80s uniforms, from the era where they were just gray (or blue) versions of the homes, to the "David Cone" era Yankees-style ones.  Even the one-year New York script would have worked really well on blue

 

Forgive me, but I have no idea the right way to do this, so here it is in Paint:

 

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You're forgiven, for I too suck at photoshopping.

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3 hours ago, insert name said:

Mets almost jumped on that powder blue bandwagon.

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How long ago? Looks like it’s a Rawlings made jersey. 

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2 hours ago, BringBackTheVet said:

what's with the neck on that?  Is it just a crew-neck?  That would have been a first.

 

Pirates and Cardinals did it at the period’s start:

 

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Also, I wish the “StL” looked more like that, with a flared serif on the rear of the “S.”

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Yeah, but the Mets one looks like it has the double-layer of stitching around the neck - kinda like how the button placket is reinforced and there's the "headspoon" stitching (whether or not the team actually applies trim there).  I've never seen that on a non-button-down jersey.

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1 hour ago, SFGiants58 said:

 

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I wish the “StL” looked more like that, with a flared serif on the rear of the “S.”

 

I wish the StL looked more like that, with the navy outline separating the strokes of the various letters. 

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Yeah, it looks a lot better that way. You can get away with merging two letters into one form, but two big letters and a small letter is harder to do.

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That's easy enough to do.

 

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I think it looks pretty sweet with interlocking outlines and an extra serif on the "S." While the Cardinals' current cap logo may be "untouchable," I'd argue that it could use some tweaking to give it a bit more of its "personality" back. Something that takes a few more cues from these interlocking logos would be perfect.

 

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The current one is a tad sterile, much like the cap variant of the Yankees' "NY."

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10 hours ago, hofflalu said:

Was that [powder blue Met jersey] a prototype for what ended up being the 1982 introduction of the grey racing stripe Mets roads?

 

My brother has no idea of the year of creation of that jersey; he knows only that it must have been created before 1992, when Rawlings no longer made Major League jerseys. He obtained the jersey from another collector, someone who could not make authoritative claims about it.

 

In the presentation from which that photo of my brother holding the jersey was taken, he emphasised that he has no evidence that the team was ever seriously considering adopting it; and he says that he doesn't want to be "the guy who claims the Mets almost went to powder blue".

 

Still, even without evidence, I think we can say that the manufacturer would have been unlikely to decide on its own to make this prototype. My guess is that it was probably done at the behest of the team, just as a manufacturer (Wilson maybe? not sure) produced a reverse-colour Yankee road uniform when GM Gabe Paul was considering that style in the mid-1970s.

 

That is pure speculation on my part, of course; but I believe that it is reasonable speculation based on circumstantial evidence. This was well before the days of the fashion jersey; we certainly could not make the equivalent assumption today about an alternative-style jersey.

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Does your brother work for the league or the Mets? That’s funny that his picture popped up here in a discussion and he just so happened to be related to a poster. That’s kinda the most CCSLC thing I can imagine happening 

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51 minutes ago, Bucfan56 said:

Does your brother work for the league or the Mets? That’s funny that his picture popped up here in a discussion and he just so happened to be related to a poster. That’s kinda the most CCSLC thing I can imagine happening 

 

My brother has never worked for any Major League organisation; but he is friends with a few people who are involved with the team's uniforms.

 

He is an academic; and the photo is from a presentation on the Mets' uniforms that he made as part of a conference held at Hofstra University in 2012 in honour of the Mets' 50th anniversary. I suggested that he give this talk an academic-sounding title, such as "The Semiotics of Sartoriality: Towards the Hermeneutics of Baseball Attire". But for some reason he declined to do so.

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Sounds like he’d be perfect for this place! 😂

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Someone walked in the same room I’m in wearing a Dodgers cap and it reminded me why I don’t like the shade of blue they currently use.

The color is super dark and looks purple. It’s probably just me but I wish they would go back to the old blue. 

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17 minutes ago, insert name said:

Someone walked in the same room I’m in wearing a Dodgers cap and it reminded me why I don’t like the shade of blue they currently use.

The color is super dark and looks purple. It’s probably just me but I wish they would go back to the old blue. 

 

Ive never though that about their hat. Your eyes ok?

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