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Exactly one half a century ago this very day, the final game between an NFL team and an AFL team took place in New Orleans, Louisiana.

 

It was Super Bowl IV, the Kansas City Chiefs, representing the old American Football League for the final time, took on the favored Minnesota Vikings, appearing in their first Super Bowl game.

 

As you doubtless know, the Chiefs trampled the Vikings by a final score of 23 - 7, thus ending the AFL/NFL rivalry with a 2-2 tie in Super Bowl games.

 

50 years ago this very day, the late, great Hank Stram, who was the winningest head coach in AFL history, uttered those magical words...

 

"Sixty-Five Toss Power Trap!"

 

Bud Grant, long time Vikings head coach is still alive and kicking at age 92.  He had been a CFL coach.  I guess that very cold climate helps preserve many to live a much longer life!

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I've long had my suspicions about how legit the NFL is.  That being said, I would be completely shocked if either team makes it to the Super Bowl.

 

Kansas City has a penchant for losing home playoff games.

 

Andy Reid as a head coach has a penchant for losing home playoff games.

 

Andy Reid is the Chiefs head coach, ergo, I give the Chiefs zero chance.

 

It seems the Ravens must be the odds-on favorite to win it all.  I don't want them too.  They are a team that has always disgusted me and they are boring as anything to me.

 

 

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My immediate and lasting image of Bud Grant...

 

bud.0.0.jpg

 

This image may seem like a normal image to some--until I mention, as some of you remember, that this image was taken in -5° weather. That's a tough old man right there.

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6 minutes ago, Buc said:

My immediate and lasting image of Bud Grant...

 

bud.0.0.jpg

 

This image may seem like a normal image to some--until I mention, as some of you remember, that this image was taken in -5° weather. That's a tough old man right there.

The Dan Lebatard show calls him every Spring when he hosts a family garage sale.

Don't even think about hagglin' with Bud!

 

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4 hours ago, AustinFomBoston said:

If we get a Chiefs-Vikings Super Bowl this year, is that the strongest evidence yet that the league is completely rigged? 

but there was no Chiefs-Vikings Super Bowl LIV....

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2 hours ago, AustinFomBoston said:

Bud Grant really deserves to see the Vikings win a Super Bowl before he dies. 

He won a Grey Cup, so he's got that. And won a NBA title in 1950 as a player.  He's good.

 

No need to "deserve" to win both. 

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Re: The NFL is rigged

 

You don't really believe that, do you? How many people would have to be in on it to make it happen? How much would those people need to be paid to never speak about it?

 

If you TRULY think this is possible--I can't imagine how many other tall tales you've bought.

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I 100% think it's 'influenced', not necessarily 'rigged'.  There's too many variables to rig a game, and too many people that would need to be 'in' on it.  But to 'influence' a game?  Or 'weight' it?  I absolutely believe that.  There's too many inexcusably horrible calls, or no calls, that go way beyond simple referee incompetence.  I'll also point out the Steelers/Seahawks SB, which just happened to be Jerome Bettis' "homecoming" and last game, and was absurdly refereed.  

 

It doesn't take much to turn the tide of a game - it could take only one call to have an impact - and I don't think for a second that the officials - at least the head - aren't told to let a few things slide on one end or the other.  The 'no clear fumble recovery' call last year just cemented it for me, but I had long thought it.  If the networks really need a particular matchup (or at least need to avoid one), I'm sure the league would try at least a little bit to help out.

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21 minutes ago, BringBackTheVet said:

I 100% think it's 'influenced', not necessarily 'rigged'.  There's too many variables to rig a game, and too many people that would need to be 'in' on it.  But to 'influence' a game?  Or 'weight' it?  I absolutely believe that.  There's too many inexcusably horrible calls, or no calls, that go way beyond simple referee incompetence.  I'll also point out the Steelers/Seahawks SB, which just happened to be Jerome Bettis' "homecoming" and last game, and was absurdly refereed.  

 

It doesn't take much to turn the tide of a game - it could take only one call to have an impact - and I don't think for a second that the officials - at least the head - aren't told to let a few things slide on one end or the other.  The 'no clear fumble recovery' call last year just cemented it for me, but I had long thought it.  If the networks really need a particular matchup (or at least need to avoid one), I'm sure the league would try at least a little bit to help out.

And no disgruntled ex-employee has ever blown the whistle? There'd have to be a lot of Epstein suicides to cover that.

 

Where ref calls are questionable, I just see bad refs, not "in on the fix" refs.

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That's a valid point, but the calls are just too bad to suggest otherwise.  

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10 minutes ago, BringBackTheVet said:

That's a valid point, but the calls are just too bad to suggest otherwise.  

Eh - I think it is easier to suggest that older men (refs) trying to keep up with the pace of the game just can't see what we see on TV.  Simpler explanation in my mind makes it more plausible than a conspiracy. 

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6 minutes ago, Sec19Row53 said:

Eh - I think it is easier to suggest that older men (refs) trying to keep up with the pace of the game just can't see what we see on TV.  Simpler explanation in my mind makes it more plausible than a conspiracy. 

 

Not when there's replay, and it clearly shows one thing and they say another.  Or they selectively choose not to replay things.  Or when there's completely subjective non-reviewable calls like personal fouls that get selectively called.

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Entertainment at Tulane Stadium: Al (Viking) Hirt and Doc (Chief) Severinsen:

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(and all the kids on the board are saying, "WHO?!?")

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11 hours ago, dfwabel said:

The Dan Lebatard show calls him every Spring when he hosts a family garage sale.

Don't even think about hagglin' with Bud!

 

 

I knew I could count on you to post this. Hopefully they go this year and do a show from his garage like they’ve been talking about. 

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11 hours ago, B-Rich said:

Entertainment at Tulane Stadium: Al (Viking) Hirt and Doc (Chief) Severinsen:spacer.png

 

(and all the kids on the board are saying, "WHO?!?")

sadly i know who they both are.

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On 1/11/2020 at 8:33 PM, Sec19Row53 said:

Re: The NFL is rigged

 

You don't really believe that, do you? How many people would have to be in on it to make it happen? How much would those people need to be paid to never speak about it?

 

If you TRULY think this is possible--I can't imagine how many other tall tales you've bought.

 

The NFL hasn't been rigged since Super Bowl III.

 

Just ask Bubba Smith about that one.

 

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Honestly? People see the whole Black Sox scandal and think its still possible to get players to throw a game but the White Sox largely threw that World Series because Comiskey wasn't paying them jack. The gamblers could pay more money and even that wasn't enough to keep things quiet. With the NFL, we're talking about organizations that when they travel require two chartered planes and that is just essential staff. Do people realize how much money it would take to get players/staff to throw a game? Obviously that's only one side of rigging but even though these players are paid millions, most of them still have competitive pride. Most of them still want to win. Someone would've snitched by now and gotten really wealthy for "uncovering the truth about the NFL" or the NFL has the CIA/Mossad/Mafia on speeddial to make sure no one talks. Occam's Razor says at worst the refs may influence games due to personal biases and that is bad enough without going into loopy conspiracy land.

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