2022 NFL regular season through Super Bowl LVII

[infrared41]

1 hour ago, Red Comet said:

Yeah, for a college of Alabama’s stature, it’s weird how many more of their quarterbacks are more like Brodie Croyle than a Joe Namath or Ken Stabler. Coincidentally, Namath and Stabler are the only two QBs in Canton who had more career INTs than TDs. Sure was a different era.

 

That's putting it mildly. Before 1978, DBs could basically beat the daylights out of a receiver for the entire play, D-lineman were allowed to slap the out of O-lineman's helmets, and just for fun, O-lineman weren't allowed to extend their arms when blocking.  Namath played his entire career under the old rules. Stabler's career was basically split between the old rules and the new rules. Point being, it was a little harder to be a 70% passer back in their day. If they played today the way they played in the 70's, I'd imagine the Steel Curtain would be in jail by week three.

[BBTV]

I don't want to hear no more bashing of Ohio State's ability to develop QBs, lest you forget the star career of Bobby Hoying.  Put respect on that man's name.

 

Notre Dame was QB University when I was a lad, just like PSU was Linebacker U.   I recall BYU having a few too, but guys like Jim McMahon and one of the Detmers, not stars.

 

According to PFHOF, the HOF QBs by school are as follows.  I assume many of these were a long time ago.  My guess is that the QB position has more variables and risk to it than any other position on the field, so the top programs build their offenses around lines and receivers so that to reduce what's required of the QB and therefore other than the truly special guys, they're not necessarily prepared for the NFL way of doing things.  Other than Kerry Collins, who really came out of Penn State that amounted to much - and for a long time, Penn State was one of the "go to" universities for ready-to-go NFL players.  How many great linemen and receivers have come out of Alabama and Georgia lately?  I only know because people here for years have been yelling at the Eagles to quit trying to outsmart everyone and just draft guys from there, and they've all been good.  I think if I was a star HS QB that really thought I was going to start in the NFL, I'd choose a program that relies more on the talents of the QB so that I could stand out and get experience leading the team, rather than a juggernaut like Alabama where the coach is the real leader of the team and the history and system are bigger than any of the players.

Notre Dame (13)
Southern California (13)
Michigan (11)
Ohio State (10)
Miami - Florida (9)
Pittsburgh (9)
Alabama (8)
Syracuse (8)
Minnesota (7)
Illinois (6)

[DCarp1231]

Current starting QB & their colleges

 

AFC North

Tyler Huntley - Utah

Joe Burrow - LSU

Kenny Pickett - Pitt

Deshaun Watson - Clemson

 

AFC East

Mac Jones - Alabama

Tua Tagovailoa - Alabama

Josh Allen - Wyoming

Mike White - Western Kentucky

 

AFC South

Trevor Lawrence - Clemson

Matt Ryan - Boston College

David Mills - Stanford

Malik Willis - Liberty

 

AFC West

Patrick Mahomes - Texas Tech

Russell Wilson - Wisconsin

David Carr - Fresno State

Justin Herbert - Oregon

 

NFC North

Aaron Rodgers - Cal

Jared Goff - Cal

Kirk Cousins - Michigan State

Justin Fields - Ohio State

 

NFC East

Carson Wentz - North Dakota State

Dak Prescott - Mississippi State

Daniel Jones - Duke

Jalen Hurts - Oklahoma

 

NFC South

Tom Brady - Michigan

PJ Walker - Temple

Andy Dalton - TCU

Desmond Ridder - Cincinnati

 

NFC West

Brock Purdy - Iowa State

Geno Smith - West Virginia

Baker Mayfield - Oklahoma

Trace McSorley - Penn State

[leopard88]

10 hours ago, infrared41 said:

 

The best (best being relative) NFL career by an Ohio State QB so far belongs to...drum roll...Mike Tomczak. I'd love to say that Justin Fields will hold that title some day, but right now he's basically just Bobby Douglas* 2.0.

 

Art Schlichter might have had a good career, but he was more interested in -ing up his life than he was in playing football.

 

*For those of you too young to know who Bobby Douglas is (considering how long ago he played, that's probably everyone but me, @oldschoolvikings, @leopard88, and @Ferdinand Cesarano) he was a running QB for the Bears back when I was 9 or 10 years old. If memory serves, he held the single season rushing record for QBs for a while. I want to say he came damned close to 1000 yards in a 14 game season.

 

968 yards and 8 TDs in 14 games in 1972,

 

. . . and Art Schlichter was so messed up in the head that he was beaten out for the starting job on a team coming off a 2-14 season by Mike Pagel.

 

10 hours ago, infrared41 said:

 

That's putting it mildly. Before 1978, DBs could basically beat the daylights out of a receiver for the entire play, D-lineman were allowed to slap the out of O-lineman's helmets, and just for fun, O-lineman weren't allowed to extend their arms when blocking.  Namath played his entire career under the old rules. Stabler's career was basically split between the old rules and the new rules. Point being, it was a little harder to be a 70% passer back in their day. If they played today the way they played in the 70's, I'd imagine the Steel Curtain would be in jail by week three.

 

 

You forgot to mention that QBs could also get knocked around a lot more back then.

 

I couldn't find it online, but I've seen a clip multiple times of Johnny Unitas throwing a pass then getting slapped in the head about a second later . . . and, to the best of my knowledge, no flag was thrown.

[sky1324]

2 hours ago, DCarp1231 said:

PJ Walker - Temple

Right now, the Panthers' starter is Sam Darnold. He's started for 4 straight weeks and I don't see that changing without an injury.

[DCarp1231]

2 minutes ago, CDCLT said:

Right now, the Panthers' starter is Sam Darnold. He's started for 4 straight weeks and I don't see that changing without an injury.

Ah, my bad. I knew I’d miss one

[Ferdinand Cesarano]

12 hours ago, infrared41 said:

For those of you too young to know who Bobby Douglas is (considering how long ago he played, that's probably everyone but me, @oldschoolvikings, @leopard88, and @Ferdinand Cesarano) he was a running QB for the Bears back when I was 9 or 10 years old. If memory serves, he held the single season rushing record for QBs for a while. I want to say he came damned close to 1000 yards in a 14 game season.

 

That's "Douglass". And I am tickled at the mention as a fellow "old"!

 

Douglass's big season, 1972, is the first year that I remember clearly. Football had the Dolphins' perfect season, Garo Yepremian's comical pass attempt, the Immaculate Reception; in baseball, the sport that I followed most closely, we had the Willie Mays trade (the event that touched off my love of history), Gene Tenace's two home runs in his first two World Series at-bats, and also my first glimpse of the A's beautiful uniforms and equally beautiful mustaches.  In other sports, there were the Ali fight against Jerry Quarry, and Mark Spitz's gold medals at the Olympics (though I have no memory of the murders). There was also the presidential election. And the continuous memory of prime-time television begins that year, though I have dim memories of certain events before that, most notably of my older relatives watching The Ed Sullivan Show.

[infrared41]

45 minutes ago, Ferdinand Cesarano said:

 

That's "Douglass". And I am tickled at the mention as a fellow "old"!

 

Douglass's big season, 1972, is the first year that I remember clearly. Football had the Dolphins' perfect season, Garo Yepremian's comical pass attempt, the Immaculate Reception; in baseball, the sport that I followed most closely, we had the Willie Mays trade (the event that touched off my love of history), Gene Tenace's two home runs in his first two World Series at-bats, and also my first glimpse of the A's beautiful uniforms and equally beautiful mustaches.  In other sports, there were the Ali fight against Jerry Quarry, and Mark Spitz's gold medals at the Olympics (though I have no memory of the murders). There was also the presidential election. And the continuous memory of prime-time television begins that year, though I have dim memories of certain events before that, most notably of my older relatives watching The Ed Sullivan Show.

 

I thought it was Douglass, but I wasn't sure so I went with one S. We may be "olds", but we were there for a lot of cool stuff.

 

Those A's uniforms were like the Wizard of Oz going from B&W to color. They were all the rage in my neighborhood. I remember thinking it was cool that Gene Tenace's full name is Fury Gene Tenace. (he was born Fiori Gino Tenacci) My all-time favorite Cleveland Indian, Ray Fosse, would join the A's the following season. My Cleveland Browns lost to the undefeated Dolphins in the playoffs that season. Mark Spitz and his seven gold medals were showing up everywhere on TV. I knew something had gone terribly wrong at the Olympics, but I didn't understand what had happened.   Finally, the only way to fully understand just how big a star Ali was back then was to be there.

 

 

 

 

[infrared41]

6 hours ago, BBTV said:

I recall BYU having a few too, but guys like Jim McMahon and one of the Detmers, not stars.

 

There was another QB who came from BYU. If memory serves, his name was Steve Young. Got drafted by the Bucs, but he signed a huge (at the time) deal with the USFL out of college. I don't know what happened to him after that.

[Discrim]

All the talk about these QBs who come out of Blueblood programs and proceed to do nothing in the league sadly remind me of a good chunk of the running backs who've come out of Wisconsin.  Most of the Badger backs who've made it to the league, for various reasons, don't do much as pros, with some exceptions (acknowledging one such reason is "my OL's no longer beefier than their DL").

[leopard88]

3 hours ago, infrared41 said:

 

I thought it was Douglass, but I wasn't sure so I went with one S. We may be "olds", but we were there for a lot of cool stuff.

 

Those A's uniforms were like the Wizard of Oz going from B&W to color. They were all the rage in my neighborhood. I remember thinking it was cool that Gene Tenace's full name is Fury Gene Tenace. (he was born Fiori Gino Tenacci) My all-time favorite Cleveland Indian, Ray Fosse, would join the A's the following season. My Cleveland Browns lost to the undefeated Dolphins in the playoffs that season. Mark Spitz and his seven gold medals were showing up everywhere on TV. I knew something had gone terribly wrong at the Olympics, but I didn't understand what had happened.   Finally, the only way to fully understand just how big a star Ali was back then was to be there.

 

 

 

 

 

Does Evel Knievel also count as sports?  Either way, add him to the list of cool stuff we lived through.

[infrared41]

6 minutes ago, leopard88 said:

 

Does Evel Knievel also count as sports?  Either way, add him to the list of cool stuff we lived through.

 

He counts in my book. Dude was jumping over rows of buses on a Harley 750.  To give people an idea of how crazy and incredible that was, imagine racing in the Indianapolis 500 in a pickup truck.

 

Evel is another example of you had to be there to fully understand how big a deal he was.

[DoctorWhom]

Certainly seems like if the Raiders aren't expecting Brady, they are expecting a new QB next year. 

[DCarp1231]

I wholeheartedly hope Carr gives the peace sign to Las Vegas and lands on a team with a better situation 

[BBTV]

Carr is an example of why you spend money on a true franchise QB, or just go with some cheap option until you land one.  For as good as he is (and I do think he's very good) he was never a guy that could lead a team to a SB championship, and paying him money just held them back.

 

You can win a Super Bowl with a Derek Carr, but you can't win a Super Bowl because of a Derek Carr.  That's a big difference.  I'd rather my team go through cheap jabroni after cheap jabroni until landing a guy that's truly worth committing to than getting trapped for a decade with a guy who's too good to get rid of, but not good enough to lead the franchise.

[BBTV]

5 hours ago, Discrim said:

All the talk about these QBs who come out of Blueblood programs and proceed to do nothing in the league sadly remind me of a good chunk of the running backs who've come out of Wisconsin.  Most of the Badger backs who've made it to the league, for various reasons, don't do much as pros, with some exceptions (acknowledging one such reason is "my OL's no longer beefier than their DL").

 

Back when I followed college football some, Ron Dayne was a monster.  I loved the gimmick where the crowd would yell "Ron Dayne" after every time the PA announcer called his name.  Thought for sure he was legit, but just couldn't make it in the league.  

[DoctorWhom]

Jets, Commanders, maybe even Lions should be in on him. 

Would be great to see what Carr could do if he had a decent defense for once. 

[DCarp1231]

You know what, I think the Jets could get to the Super Bowl with Derek Carr. He’s clearly a much more viable option for New York than Zach Wilson. The pieces are there for Carr too.

[FiddySicks]

At this stage I would absolutely be for a swap in places for Brady and Carr. When Brady first retired, he was my #1 want. He’s not going to thrill you, but if you surround him with the right talent, he can absolutely lead a team to success. I would be perfectly fine with that. Bucs probably can’t actually do that whole “surround a guy with talent” thing, but it would give them the best opportunity to. If it’s a choice between that or Garropolo or Trask, I’ll take option #1. 

[infrared41]

29 minutes ago, DoctorWhom said:

Jets, Commanders, maybe even Lions should be in on him. 

Would be great to see what Carr could do if he had a decent defense for once. 

 

The Jets could be a great fit. They have a good defense, good young receivers, and Breece Hall looked really good before he got hurt. Adding some stability at QB with Derek Carr might be enough to elevate the Jets to contending for the division.   

 

Washington could be an interesting landing spot for Carr, but I don't see him going there willingly.

 

Is Carr a significant upgrade over Jared Goff? I'd argue that he isn't. I can't see the Lions dumping a guy who already knows their system for a guy who's basically the same player but doesn't know their system.