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The Penguins Close To Officially Moving?

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First of all, worst case rumors are always come from Toronto media... anyway!

Does the NHL need another team with not real fan base?

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Ladies and gentlemen here are your HARTFORD PENGUINS!

(cue Brass Bonanza)

I can't dream? :P

Keep the dream alive, my brother.

(Pucky-4-Life)

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Ladies and gentlemen here are your HARTFORD PENGUINS!

(cue Brass Bonanza)

I can't dream? :P

Keep the dream alive, my brother.

(Pucky-4-Life)

If they move to Hartford, they had better ditch the Penguins moniker, and pick up the mantle of the Whalers. All I ask for in return would be a new classy new Whalers logo, and put the original on the shoulders.

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My guess is that the team would follow its predecessors in relocation and select a new identity. I believe Calgary is the only NHL franchise to have made a significant move and retained its nickname.

I'm trying to think of another, and can't--unless I'm missing an old one.

The Flames moving to Clagary is also the only time a US based team moved to Canada.

While I wish no ill will to Pittsburgh fans--and while I don't expect it to happen--I wouldn't complain if the Pens did move and became the second example of that happening.

But as I typed above-

I don't expect it to happen

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Winnipeg needs to demonstrate that they have good owners lined up, and that they can overcome playing in a small arena.

Winnipeg makes play for Penguins

There is a potential ownership group in Winnipeg that is completely prepared to make a n offer for the team.

I agree that the small arena is the biggest handicap for moving to Winnipeg, but I think it can work.

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Ohh for real?? the penguins on the way to Winnipeg?? I would be delighted to see that happen..but gonan wait and see on what going on... who knows what gonna happen?? Again, it would be nice to see NHL hockey back in Winnipeg and we do have the MTS Centre to boot!!

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If you're interested in the return of NHL hockey to Winnipeg, follow this website:

Jetsowner.com

As much as I want the Penguins to move to Winnipeg, the Winnipeg group is one of many that are interested in the Penguins. There is a long way to go before we are celebrating at Portage and Main again.

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Winnipeg isn't getting a team. It is too small of a market even by Canadian standards plus it doesn't have an NHL size arena. Even if Winnipeg sold out all of their games they would rank near the bottom of attendance because of the size of the MTS Center. Plus, the MTS doesn't have nearly enough luxury boxes which are the money makers. No way a team is moving there.

Houston or KC will be the options if the Penguins don't get the arena.

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I'm pulling for a KC team. It's be another close arena where I can go see the Stars play. The Penguins name will be gone, they'll want a fresh start.

And now for my joke...

Do you know why Kansas City won't get an NHL team?

Then St. Louis will want one, too.

(bow)

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The Pens arent going anywhere even if Isle of Capri does not get the casino license the Don Barden/Jerome Bettis group has made putting money up for an arena part of their casino bid and Harrah's has stated they will back Gov. Rendell's Plan B for arena funding if they get the license. Now Rendell may be full of crap and ditch Plan B once the license is given out but he is going to be in a tight re-election race with Lynn Swann and needs every vote in Pittsburgh he can get so he is going to push hard for an arena in Pittsburgh.

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Do you know why Kansas City won't get an NHL team?

Then St. Louis will want one, too.

(bow)

booooooooooooooo

The Blues were consistently in the playoffs until last year, at least. Would've been weird if the Blues missed the postseason in '04; you'd have had all three of the NHL and NBA's "just kinda show up for the first round, whatev" teams: Blues, Jazz, Trail Blazers all miss

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Winnipeg isn't getting a team. It is too small of a market even by Canadian standards plus it doesn't have an NHL size arena. Even if Winnipeg sold out all of their games they would rank near the bottom of attendance because of the size of the MTS Center. Plus, the MTS doesn't have nearly enough luxury boxes which are the money makers. No way a team is moving there.

Houston or KC will be the options if the Penguins don't get the arena.

Actually I think Winnipeg has a shot now. First of all, the Oilers have the smallest rink right now and they definitely have more bodies in the seats than places like Washington and Atlanta. Maybe less corporate seats... But this comes in handy when you're six games away from winning the Stanley Cup and the whole city is behind the team. The MTS Center was built small, but who are we kidding -- Don Cherry said it best -- they built it for the NHL and not for the Moose. Winnipeg isn't too small even by Canadian standards anymore... yes it's under 1,000,000 but Winnipeg is the only major city in like a 800 mile radius so they could easily draw fans from faraway places if marketed that way. Denver is often called a "smaller" city by American standards and yet it manages to support a team in seven major leagues: NFL, NHL, MLB, NBA, AFL, NLL and MLS... because it's virtually isolated from all other major markets and can draw from surrounding regions. Winnipeg, although much smaller, is similar, and the thought of it being able to support one major Big Four team (obviously in the NHL) makes sense if following the Denver blueprint.

Winnipeg may not be the most economic solution but face it... under the present NHL system, it's gotta be a possibility now.

So Go Jets Go!

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The MTS center has close to 1,000 seats less than Rexall Place. Based on this seasons numbers if the MTS center was sold out for every game it would rank 24th in the league (that is with Pittsburgh being taken out). Winnipeg isn't going to bring in the TV money tat a bigger market would. Not to mention moving a team out of the States gives the league an even lower profile.

Winnipeg is out of the question. Here is something I ask. Had it not been for the WHA merger would the NHL have ever had teams in Winnipeg and Hartford to begin with? I don't think so.

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The MTS center has close to 1,000 seats less than Rexall Place. Based on this seasons numbers if the MTS center was sold out for every game it would rank 24th in the league (that is with Pittsburgh being taken out).

Doesn't seem to hurt the Red Sox now does it?

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The MTS center has close to 1,000 seats less than Rexall Place. Based on this seasons numbers if the MTS center was sold out for every game it would rank 24th in the league (that is with Pittsburgh being taken out).

Doesn't seem to hurt the Red Sox now does it?

Yeah, but you need a decent product to put butts in those seats. I mean, when the Sox weren't all that great (mostly the 90's), they barely sold-out.

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The MTS center has close to 1,000 seats less than Rexall Place. Based on this seasons numbers if the MTS center was sold out for every game it would rank 24th in the league (that is with Pittsburgh being taken out).

Doesn't seem to hurt the Red Sox now does it?

And the Red Sox charge a ton of money for tickets. I don't the demographics of Winnipeg but could they get away with charge a lot for tickets?

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The MTS center has close to 1,000 seats less than Rexall Place. Based on this seasons numbers if the MTS center was sold out for every game it would rank 24th in the league (that is with Pittsburgh being taken out). Winnipeg isn't going to bring in the TV money tat a bigger market would. Not to mention moving a team out of the States gives the league an even lower profile.

Winnipeg is out of the question. Here is something I ask. Had it not been for the WHA merger would the NHL have ever had teams in Winnipeg and Hartford to begin with? I don't think so.

Attendance figures in the NHL are completely inflated. Almost every non-traditional market team like Carolina, Florida, Tampa, Anaheim, and Phoenix give hundreds, and sometimes thousands of tickets away for free every game. When the Panthers announce a crowd of 16,000 and the arena is obviously half empty, you know something's up. The NHL bases attendance figures on how many tickets were sold/given away, not how many people show up and pay for it. That's why some of these sunbelt teams show decent attendance figures despite losing millions every year and playing to sparce crowds.

In Winnipeg, 15,000 people in attendance would be 15,000 PAYING customers, all cheering and enjoying the game. That would put them leaps and bounds ahead of many teams in the NHL.

As far as TV revenue, Winnipeg would probably be better than half the teams in the league. Hockey TV ratings in the US rank somewhere between the WNBA and armadillo racing. The NHL has a network TV deal with NBC worth almost nothing, and a cable TV deal with OLN, a minor player in cable sports television, with a low viewership. Canada has CBC, TSN, and Sportsnet all showing several games per week at HIGH ratings, plus the opportunity for local hockey broadcasting.

Face it, TV hockey revenue comes from Canada. More people watch hockey in Canada than in the entire U.S. Plus, hockey game ratings in Canada are much HIGHER when the game involves Canadian teams. One more Canadian team means less Chicago-Nashville snoozers on TV, which means more TV revenue.

Once the NHL realizes it should be catering to the fans it has rather than the fans it will never get (those who would rather cheer NASCAR and women's golf) it will get out of the red.

A return of the NHL to Winnipeg makes sense any way you look at it.

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About minor league hocey. It's minor league, and no one in a real city cares. I remember after the North Stars left, we got the Minnesota (now Manitoba) Moose in the St. Paul Civic Center. Attendance was not great. Possibly because it was second rate hockey in a third rate arena.

By some people on here's logic, that would make the Twin Cities a bad hockey market.

Yet the Wild have done consistently well with attendance at the X, possibly because it's first rate hockey in a first rate arena.

I know Minny has a greater hockey tradition on every level than Kansas City, but using a UHL (the UHL? There could be a UHL game on the roof of my apartment and I MIGHT watch) team in a run down arena as a barometer is not realistic. That's a world away from the NHL in a shiny new building (with Sid The Kid, to boot.)

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I wish Norfolk would try to jump at the oportunity for an NHL franchise. They could very well maintain a team down there.

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