chrimart Posted May 21, 2006 Share Posted May 21, 2006 First of all, worst case rumors are always come from Toronto media... anyway!Does the NHL need another team with not real fan base? It Should Be Lawful for the Queen of Hockey Land, by and with the Advice and the Consent of the Sinners and the House of Pain, to Make Laws for Pucks, Hot Dogs and Good Government... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sodboy13 Posted May 22, 2006 Share Posted May 22, 2006 Ladies and gentlemen here are your HARTFORD PENGUINS!(cue Brass Bonanza)I can't dream? Keep the dream alive, my brother.(Pucky-4-Life) On 1/25/2013 at 1:53 PM, 'Atom said: For all the bird de lis haters I think the bird de lis isnt supposed to be a pelican and a fleur de lis I think its just a fleur de lis with a pelicans head. Thats what it looks like to me. Also the flair around the tip of the beak is just flair that fleur de lis have sometimes source I am from NOLA. PotD: 10/19/07, 08/25/08, 07/22/10, 08/13/10, 04/15/11, 05/19/11, 01/02/12, and 01/05/12. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fred T. Jane Posted May 22, 2006 Share Posted May 22, 2006 Ladies and gentlemen here are your HARTFORD PENGUINS!(cue Brass Bonanza)I can't dream? Keep the dream alive, my brother.(Pucky-4-Life) If they move to Hartford, they had better ditch the Penguins moniker, and pick up the mantle of the Whalers. All I ask for in return would be a new classy new Whalers logo, and put the original on the shoulders. [Croatia National Team Manager Slavan] Bilic then went on to explain how Croatia's success can partially be put down to his progressive man-management techniques. "Sometimes I lie in the bed with my players. I go to the room of Vedran Corluka and Luka Modric when I see they have a problem and I lie in bed with them and we talk for 10 minutes." Maybe Capello could try getting through to his players this way too? Although how far he'd get with Joe Cole jumping up and down on the mattress and Rooney demanding to be read his favourite page from The Very Hungry Caterpillar is open to question. --The Guardian's Fiver, 08 September 2008 Attention: In order to obtain maximum enjoyment from your stay at the CCSLC, the reader is advised that the above post may contain large amounts of sarcasm, dry humour, or statements which should not be taken in any true sort of seriousness. As a result, the above poster absolves himself of any and all blame in the event that a forum user responds to the aforementioned post without taking the previous notice into account. Thank you for your cooperation, and enjoy your stay at the CCSLC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stampman Posted May 22, 2006 Share Posted May 22, 2006 My guess is that the team would follow its predecessors in relocation and select a new identity. I believe Calgary is the only NHL franchise to have made a significant move and retained its nickname. I'm trying to think of another, and can't--unless I'm missing an old one.The Flames moving to Clagary is also the only time a US based team moved to Canada.While I wish no ill will to Pittsburgh fans--and while I don't expect it to happen--I wouldn't complain if the Pens did move and became the second example of that happening.But as I typed above-I don't expect it to happen Comic Sans walks into a bar, and the bartender says, "Sorry, we don't serve your type here." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gojetsgo Posted May 22, 2006 Share Posted May 22, 2006 Winnipeg needs to demonstrate that they have good owners lined up, and that they can overcome playing in a small arena. Winnipeg makes play for PenguinsThere is a potential ownership group in Winnipeg that is completely prepared to make a n offer for the team.I agree that the small arena is the biggest handicap for moving to Winnipeg, but I think it can work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharky99MB Posted May 22, 2006 Share Posted May 22, 2006 Ohh for real?? the penguins on the way to Winnipeg?? I would be delighted to see that happen..but gonan wait and see on what going on... who knows what gonna happen?? Again, it would be nice to see NHL hockey back in Winnipeg and we do have the MTS Centre to boot!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gojetsgo Posted May 22, 2006 Share Posted May 22, 2006 If you're interested in the return of NHL hockey to Winnipeg, follow this website:Jetsowner.comAs much as I want the Penguins to move to Winnipeg, the Winnipeg group is one of many that are interested in the Penguins. There is a long way to go before we are celebrating at Portage and Main again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jkrdevil Posted May 22, 2006 Share Posted May 22, 2006 Winnipeg isn't getting a team. It is too small of a market even by Canadian standards plus it doesn't have an NHL size arena. Even if Winnipeg sold out all of their games they would rank near the bottom of attendance because of the size of the MTS Center. Plus, the MTS doesn't have nearly enough luxury boxes which are the money makers. No way a team is moving there. Houston or KC will be the options if the Penguins don't get the arena. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EatSleepJeep Posted May 22, 2006 Share Posted May 22, 2006 I'm pulling for a KC team. It's be another close arena where I can go see the Stars play. The Penguins name will be gone, they'll want a fresh start.And now for my joke...Do you know why Kansas City won't get an NHL team?Then St. Louis will want one, too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luigi74 Posted May 22, 2006 Share Posted May 22, 2006 The Pens arent going anywhere even if Isle of Capri does not get the casino license the Don Barden/Jerome Bettis group has made putting money up for an arena part of their casino bid and Harrah's has stated they will back Gov. Rendell's Plan B for arena funding if they get the license. Now Rendell may be full of crap and ditch Plan B once the license is given out but he is going to be in a tight re-election race with Lynn Swann and needs every vote in Pittsburgh he can get so he is going to push hard for an arena in Pittsburgh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Admiral Posted May 22, 2006 Share Posted May 22, 2006 Do you know why Kansas City won't get an NHL team?Then St. Louis will want one, too. boooooooooooooooThe Blues were consistently in the playoffs until last year, at least. Would've been weird if the Blues missed the postseason in '04; you'd have had all three of the NHL and NBA's "just kinda show up for the first round, whatev" teams: Blues, Jazz, Trail Blazers all miss ♫ oh yeah, board goes on, long after the thrill of postin' is gone ♫ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
appleclock Posted May 22, 2006 Share Posted May 22, 2006 Winnipeg isn't getting a team. It is too small of a market even by Canadian standards plus it doesn't have an NHL size arena. Even if Winnipeg sold out all of their games they would rank near the bottom of attendance because of the size of the MTS Center. Plus, the MTS doesn't have nearly enough luxury boxes which are the money makers. No way a team is moving there. Houston or KC will be the options if the Penguins don't get the arena. Actually I think Winnipeg has a shot now. First of all, the Oilers have the smallest rink right now and they definitely have more bodies in the seats than places like Washington and Atlanta. Maybe less corporate seats... But this comes in handy when you're six games away from winning the Stanley Cup and the whole city is behind the team. The MTS Center was built small, but who are we kidding -- Don Cherry said it best -- they built it for the NHL and not for the Moose. Winnipeg isn't too small even by Canadian standards anymore... yes it's under 1,000,000 but Winnipeg is the only major city in like a 800 mile radius so they could easily draw fans from faraway places if marketed that way. Denver is often called a "smaller" city by American standards and yet it manages to support a team in seven major leagues: NFL, NHL, MLB, NBA, AFL, NLL and MLS... because it's virtually isolated from all other major markets and can draw from surrounding regions. Winnipeg, although much smaller, is similar, and the thought of it being able to support one major Big Four team (obviously in the NHL) makes sense if following the Denver blueprint.Winnipeg may not be the most economic solution but face it... under the present NHL system, it's gotta be a possibility now. So Go Jets Go! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jkrdevil Posted May 22, 2006 Share Posted May 22, 2006 The MTS center has close to 1,000 seats less than Rexall Place. Based on this seasons numbers if the MTS center was sold out for every game it would rank 24th in the league (that is with Pittsburgh being taken out). Winnipeg isn't going to bring in the TV money tat a bigger market would. Not to mention moving a team out of the States gives the league an even lower profile. Winnipeg is out of the question. Here is something I ask. Had it not been for the WHA merger would the NHL have ever had teams in Winnipeg and Hartford to begin with? I don't think so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CC97 Posted May 22, 2006 Share Posted May 22, 2006 The MTS center has close to 1,000 seats less than Rexall Place. Based on this seasons numbers if the MTS center was sold out for every game it would rank 24th in the league (that is with Pittsburgh being taken out). Doesn't seem to hurt the Red Sox now does it? --- Chris Creamer Founder/Editor, SportsLogos.Net  "The Mothership" • News • Facebook • X/Twitter • Instagram Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brass Posted May 22, 2006 Share Posted May 22, 2006 The MTS center has close to 1,000 seats less than Rexall Place. Based on this seasons numbers if the MTS center was sold out for every game it would rank 24th in the league (that is with Pittsburgh being taken out). Doesn't seem to hurt the Red Sox now does it? Yeah, but you need a decent product to put butts in those seats. I mean, when the Sox weren't all that great (mostly the 90's), they barely sold-out. On 4/10/2017 at 3:05 PM, Rollins Man said: what the hell is ccslc? Â Â Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jkrdevil Posted May 22, 2006 Share Posted May 22, 2006 The MTS center has close to 1,000 seats less than Rexall Place. Based on this seasons numbers if the MTS center was sold out for every game it would rank 24th in the league (that is with Pittsburgh being taken out). Doesn't seem to hurt the Red Sox now does it? And the Red Sox charge a ton of money for tickets. I don't the demographics of Winnipeg but could they get away with charge a lot for tickets? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whalersjets Posted May 22, 2006 Share Posted May 22, 2006 Even if the Penguins leave, they'll get another team back. I'm sure of that.Bring back the whale. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gojetsgo Posted May 24, 2006 Share Posted May 24, 2006 The MTS center has close to 1,000 seats less than Rexall Place. Based on this seasons numbers if the MTS center was sold out for every game it would rank 24th in the league (that is with Pittsburgh being taken out). Winnipeg isn't going to bring in the TV money tat a bigger market would. Not to mention moving a team out of the States gives the league an even lower profile. Winnipeg is out of the question. Here is something I ask. Had it not been for the WHA merger would the NHL have ever had teams in Winnipeg and Hartford to begin with? I don't think so. Attendance figures in the NHL are completely inflated. Almost every non-traditional market team like Carolina, Florida, Tampa, Anaheim, and Phoenix give hundreds, and sometimes thousands of tickets away for free every game. When the Panthers announce a crowd of 16,000 and the arena is obviously half empty, you know something's up. The NHL bases attendance figures on how many tickets were sold/given away, not how many people show up and pay for it. That's why some of these sunbelt teams show decent attendance figures despite losing millions every year and playing to sparce crowds.In Winnipeg, 15,000 people in attendance would be 15,000 PAYING customers, all cheering and enjoying the game. That would put them leaps and bounds ahead of many teams in the NHL.As far as TV revenue, Winnipeg would probably be better than half the teams in the league. Hockey TV ratings in the US rank somewhere between the WNBA and armadillo racing. The NHL has a network TV deal with NBC worth almost nothing, and a cable TV deal with OLN, a minor player in cable sports television, with a low viewership. Canada has CBC, TSN, and Sportsnet all showing several games per week at HIGH ratings, plus the opportunity for local hockey broadcasting. Face it, TV hockey revenue comes from Canada. More people watch hockey in Canada than in the entire U.S. Plus, hockey game ratings in Canada are much HIGHER when the game involves Canadian teams. One more Canadian team means less Chicago-Nashville snoozers on TV, which means more TV revenue.Once the NHL realizes it should be catering to the fans it has rather than the fans it will never get (those who would rather cheer NASCAR and women's golf) it will get out of the red.A return of the NHL to Winnipeg makes sense any way you look at it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Mexico Posted May 24, 2006 Share Posted May 24, 2006 About minor league hocey. It's minor league, and no one in a real city cares. I remember after the North Stars left, we got the Minnesota (now Manitoba) Moose in the St. Paul Civic Center. Attendance was not great. Possibly because it was second rate hockey in a third rate arena. By some people on here's logic, that would make the Twin Cities a bad hockey market.Yet the Wild have done consistently well with attendance at the X, possibly because it's first rate hockey in a first rate arena.I know Minny has a greater hockey tradition on every level than Kansas City, but using a UHL (the UHL? There could be a UHL game on the roof of my apartment and I MIGHT watch) team in a run down arena as a barometer is not realistic. That's a world away from the NHL in a shiny new building (with Sid The Kid, to boot.) You used to hold meTell me that I was the bestAnything in this world I wantI could possesAll that made me wantWas all that I can getIn order to surviveGotta learn to live with regrets-President Carter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrianVlietDesign Posted May 26, 2006 Share Posted May 26, 2006 I wish Norfolk would try to jump at the oportunity for an NHL franchise. They could very well maintain a team down there. NYCFC - MLS CUP CHAMPIONS - 2021 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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