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Telemundo219

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Read for yourselves (and please no racism):

"Study shows black players whistled more than whites"

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2857469

I love ESPN and their controversial stories. :D (sarcasm)

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College sports as we know them are just about dead. The lid is off on all the corruption that taints just about every major program and every decision that the schools or the NCAA make is only about money, money, and more money. We'll have three 16+ team super-conferences sooner rather than later, killing much of the regional flair and traditional rivalries that make college sports unique and showing the door to any school that doesn't bring money to the table in the process. Pretty soon the smaller schools are going to have to consider forming their own sanctioning body to keep the true spirit of college sports alive because the NCAA will only get worse in it's excess from here
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DG_ThenNowForever

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I read the Times story and would be interested to look at the actual study and accompanying data. Multivariate regression analysis (used in this study) is a good but sometimes imperfect tool, and I wonder if any allowances were made for positions of players and not simply their race. It seems to me that since a majority of forwards and centers (and really, players) are black, it would stand to reason they would be called on for fouls more.

I'm taking two classes right now that focus directly on this topic: Quantitative Analysis and Economics of Race and Inequality. It makes me wish I could change my final project away from childhood obesity and redo this study. It would definitely be a lot more fun.

1 hour ago, ShutUpLutz! said:

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Um, I think it's a little unfair due to the fact that the ratio isn't 50:50.

But that's not how it's done. The researchers assign a number to being black or white, say all whites are "0" and all blacks are "1." Then, they use a bunch of equations (it gets complicated) to control for playing time, etc. Then they study the likelihood of the 1's and 0's to be called for fouls when there are no black refs, one black ref, two black refs, or three black refs. I think that's the basic formula.

Again, I think the largest discrepancy would be by position. Are white players more proportionately guards or forwards? I don't know. If it's the former, that might explain a bit of the bias. If more of the latter, or closely equal, then this study might be saying something. However, there are so many more variables. It's a pretty fascinating study and I wish the NBA wasn't so reflexively defensive about it.

1 hour ago, ShutUpLutz! said:

and the drunken doodoobags jumping off the tops of SUV's/vans/RV's onto tables because, oh yeah, they are drunken drug abusing doodoobags

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I too would l like to see the data used in this study. From what I've read from the articles and blog posts that I've seen about it, I think they did try to control for positions, playing time, and such. I'm still skeptical about it though.

The NBA is a predominately black league. Given the "small sample" of white players, there could simply be some random noise in the numbers. Furthermore, the NYT article mentioned that some players are subbed in specifically to make fouls. I think that is something that the study could not control. If the "scrub population" is more white that too could help explain the difference. Just a couple of possibilities.

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Um, I think it's a little unfair due to the fact that the ratio isn't 50:50.

But that's not how it's done. The researchers assign a number to being black or white, say all whites are "0" and all blacks are "1." Then, they use a bunch of equations (it gets complicated) to control for playing time, etc. Then they study the likelihood of the 1's and 0's to be called for fouls when there are no black refs, one black ref, two black refs, or three black refs. I think that's the basic formula.

Again, I think the largest discrepancy would be by position. Are white players more proportionately guards or forwards? I don't know. If it's the former, that might explain a bit of the bias. If more of the latter, or closely equal, then this study might be saying something. However, there are so many more variables. It's a pretty fascinating study and I wish the NBA wasn't so reflexively defensive about it.

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dsgitlin, I'm not being smart, but just asking...what is the difference at assigning black a number and white a number, isn't it still just black and white even though it's 1 and 0?

Also, not to sound racist, blacks are called for more fouls because there are more of them on the court because like GoNordiques said, it isn't 50/50.

Finally, with statistics, you can make numbers work out in your favor and manipulate any data. For instance really quick, look at the TB Bucs record in below 40 degrees...it doesn't take into account how many bad Buc teams played great Bear/Eagle/Packer teams. Heck, the Bucs have a 1.000 winning percentage in Super Bowls.

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Sodboy13

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Also, not to sound racist, blacks are called for more fouls because there are more of them on the court because like GoNordiques said, it isn't 50/50.

You're looking at the figures in the wrong way. This reports isn't saying more total fouls get called on blacks than whites. It's saying that the average black player gets called for more fouls by white refs, and vice versa.

Anyway, I find the whole study suspicious, but I should probably reserve judgment unless I go really deep into it. The first thing I thought of when I heard about it this morning was that this may be a case of researchers finding what they were looking for - kind of like a "Peanuts may help cure cancer" study funded by the National Peanut Council.

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Finally, with statistics, you can make numbers work out in your favor and manipulate any data. For instance really quick, look at the TB Bucs record in below 40 degrees...it doesn't take into account how many bad Buc teams played great Bear/Eagle/Packer teams. Heck, the Bucs have a 1.000 winning percentage in Super Bowls.

So...this is an African American conspiracy, then? :P

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Finally, with statistics, you can make numbers work out in your favor and manipulate any data. For instance really quick, look at the TB Bucs record in below 40 degrees...it doesn't take into account how many bad Buc teams played great Bear/Eagle/Packer teams. Heck, the Bucs have a 1.000 winning percentage in Super Bowls.

So...this is an African American conspiracy, then? :P

Nah, just a number lovers theory. ^_^

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On 1/25/2013 at 1:53 PM, 'Atom said:

For all the bird de lis haters I think the bird de lis isnt supposed to be a pelican and a fleur de lis I think its just a fleur de lis with a pelicans head. Thats what it looks like to me. Also the flair around the tip of the beak is just flair that fleur de lis have sometimes source I am from NOLA.

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why would they publish a story like this other than to agitate people. i'd like to know the source of the study. When i watched the mavs/heat series last year, the only fishy officiating i saw was when it started to favor the heat. btw, i have/had no vested interest in either team. if anything officiating seems to favor certain star players but nothing to suggest its a black/white issue. There again i don't spend my time trying to find racisim in every aspect of my life.

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why would they publish a story like this other than to agitate people. i'd like to know the source of the study. When i watched the mavs/heat series last year, the only fishy officiating i saw was when it started to favor the heat. btw, i have/had no vested interest in either team. if anything officiating seems to favor certain star players but nothing to suggest its a black/white issue. There again i don't spend my time trying to find racisim in every aspect of my life.

Because the New York Slimes likes to create a racial divide and paint the US as an unfair racist country and they are finding the oddest stupidest most irrelevant methods they can.

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why would they publish a story like this other than to agitate people. i'd like to know the source of the study. When i watched the mavs/heat series last year, the only fishy officiating i saw was when it started to favor the heat. btw, i have/had no vested interest in either team. if anything officiating seems to favor certain star players but nothing to suggest its a black/white issue. There again i don't spend my time trying to find racisim in every aspect of my life.

Because the New York Slimes likes to create a racial divide and paint the US as an unfair racist country and they are finding the oddest stupidest most irrelevant methods they can.

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"You can use statistics to prove anything, 14% of all people know that"

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98% of us will die at some point in our lives.

5/4ths of people have difficulty with fractions.

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