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The real 1993 World Series goat finely identified, it wasen't Mitch


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I heard on ESPN today that it was Pete Incaviglia's fault not "Wild Thing"Mitch Williams for the Phillie's losing to the Blue-jays in game six in 93. It seems that Incaviglia was playing way to low when Joe Carter hit the 3 run homer .Williams said that " Incaviglia was not playing high enough , he should of been playing about 15' higher.

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This goes back to the thing that annoys me the most. Why are people so reluctant to take the blame for their own fu*kups? I hate it when people will toss others under the bus to avoid admitting they were the problem <_<

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Dude, Mitch should be owning up to it. It's the only reason people remember him nowadays anyway.

Not around here, Mitch is a hero. The way he performed in 93 was one of the biggest reasons for the Phillies success. At that point, he, and the rest of the Phils bullpen was shot, and the fans know that. He gets a standing ovation anytime he's introduced in public.

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Guys , Incaviglia was not playing high enough ,notice the word HIGH.How can you play higher ,as in altitude .Mitch was kidding around, he owned up to it in 93 took all the questions admitted he left down his team. The Incaviglia remark was tongue in cheek.

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Dude, Mitch should be owning up to it. It's the only reason people remember him nowadays anyway.

Not around here, Mitch is a hero. The way he performed in 93 was one of the biggest reasons for the Phillies success. At that point, he, and the rest of the Phils bullpen was shot, and the fans know that. He gets a standing ovation anytime he's introduced in public.

And yet I went to a Halloween party in Philadelphia in October 1993 and saw three different people in Mitch Williams costumes . . . one with a bullet wound and two with arrows through the head.

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Dude, Mitch should be owning up to it. It's the only reason people remember him nowadays anyway.

Not around here, Mitch is a hero. The way he performed in 93 was one of the biggest reasons for the Phillies success. At that point, he, and the rest of the Phils bullpen was shot, and the fans know that. He gets a standing ovation anytime he's introduced in public.

And yet I went to a Halloween party in Philadelphia in October 1993 and saw three different people in Mitch Williams costumes . . . one with a bullet wound and two with arrows through the head.

They're call badges of honour....

What was Pete Incaviglia supposed to do? Jump? You might as well put John Kruk in that position.

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like Bob Eucker says in "Major League" (I?II?)..

"He'll need a rocket up his ass to catch THAT one."

I knew what you were sayin there, buildingmaint. I kind of did a double take when reading. "Higher? wait, what? Ohhhhh..(chuckle).

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Why blame someone when you can just praise Joe Carter for hitting the homerun in the first place. It's not like it was a suprise that Joe could hit a homer, he had over 30 in the season.

Yeah, Carter isn't any Thomson.

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Dude, Mitch should be owning up to it. It's the only reason people remember him nowadays anyway.

Not around here, Mitch is a hero. The way he performed in 93 was one of the biggest reasons for the Phillies success. At that point, he, and the rest of the Phils bullpen was shot, and the fans know that. He gets a standing ovation anytime he's introduced in public.

You live in a different Philadelphia then I do. I'll admit that he has been re-accepted, but by no means is he considered a hero, and while he does get some applause and even some respectful cheers, he gets his fair share of boos when he's introduced at appearances.

I didn't see hear this comment first hand, but it seems clear that it was in jest. 15' higher? That team was full of drunks, (alleged but probable) steroid users, and probably recreational drug users. I doubt it was a serious comment.

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Not around here, Mitch is a hero. The way he performed in 93 was one of the biggest reasons for the Phillies success. At that point, he, and the rest of the Phils bullpen was shot, and the fans know that. He gets a standing ovation anytime he's introduced in public.

You live in a different Philadelphia then I do. I'll admit that he has been re-accepted, but by no means is he considered a hero, and while he does get some applause and even some respectful cheers, he gets his fair share of boos when he's introduced at appearances.s, and probably recreational drug users. I doubt it was a serious comment.

well, there is a Philadelphia, Mississippi....

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If you had bet me a week ago which story would've gone over the heads of more people - the Hank Aaron "missing home runs" story, or Mitch Williams blaming Inky for "not playing 15 feet higher" - I'd have bet the Aaron story, hands down. Even accounting for the fact that it ran in The Onion, for chrissake.

[loudspeaker]LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, MAY I HAVE YOUR ATTENTION!

Mr. Williams deadpanned that Incaviglia should have been playing higher; that is, he should have been elevated above the playing field. Had he been able to do so, he might have caught Mr. Carter's home run, thus preventing the Blue Jays from winning the 1993 World Series in the fashion that they did. However, as Mr. Incaviglia is subject to the same laws of gravity that all Americans are - even in Canada, mind you, what with their goofy-a$$ metric system and round bacon - he could not, in fact, play left field any higher. Thus, Mitch Williams was employing a humor device commonly referred to as "sarcasm". In fact, he accepts the fact that he threw the fatal 83-mph "fastball" that ultimately ended the '93 Series. He also knows that one pitch did not define his career, and that the Phillies would not have even been in the Series without his 43 saves that year.

Thank you citizens; go back to whatever you were doing. [/loudspeaker]

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Vet, you gotta remember what town were in here. Theres always that small group of a$$holes that boo Mitch. Same type of people that give our fan base and city a bad name. How would you consider Mitch to that 93 team?

The same type of people that give our fan base a bad name? That's pretty funny coming from the poster who seems to chime in on nearly every NHL thread and instigates trouble by nonsensically bashing the Sabres (among other things.)

Personally, I don't boo Mitch. I do think he was a major part of the Phillies getting to the WS, but IMO (and this is just IMO) he was more concerned with the "Macho Row" image that they had going on that year and didn't seem to care about working hard and improving his game. There were several periods during the season where he struggled, and he always had control problems - but he never did anything to try to correct them. Johnny Podres was fed up with him because of his lack of work ethic. I think he was too into the "wild thing" thing.

I don't hate him, but I don't care for him either. A hero he is not. Fregosi should never have pulled Roger Mason - there, I said it.

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Not around here, Mitch is a hero. The way he performed in 93 was one of the biggest reasons for the Phillies success. At that point, he, and the rest of the Phils bullpen was shot, and the fans know that. He gets a standing ovation anytime he's introduced in public.

You live in a different Philadelphia then I do. I'll admit that he has been re-accepted, but by no means is he considered a hero, and while he does get some applause and even some respectful cheers, he gets his fair share of boos when he's introduced at appearances.s, and probably recreational drug users. I doubt it was a serious comment.

well, there is a Philadelphia, Mississippi....

And a Filadelfia (Philadelphia), Republic of Paraguay, South America. :P

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Vet, you gotta remember what town were in here. Theres always that small group of a$$holes that boo Mitch. Same type of people that give our fan base and city a bad name. How would you consider Mitch to that 93 team?

The same type of people that give our fan base a bad name? That's pretty funny coming from the poster who seems to chime in on nearly every NHL thread and instigates trouble by nonsensically bashing the Sabres (among other things.)

Personally, I don't boo Mitch. I do think he was a major part of the Phillies getting to the WS, but IMO (and this is just IMO) he was more concerned with the "Macho Row" image that they had going on that year and didn't seem to care about working hard and improving his game. There were several periods during the season where he struggled, and he always had control problems - but he never did anything to try to correct them. Johnny Podres was fed up with him because of his lack of work ethic. I think he was too into the "wild thing" thing.

I don't hate him, but I don't care for him either. A hero he is not. Fregosi should never have pulled Roger Mason - there, I said it.

What, Im not allowed to bash a team that I dont like?

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