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[rams80]

Minor leagues really make you a big time market.

So Hamilton is out then?

In the modern era, has Hamilton been given a shot to show they can handle an NHL team? Nope. has Phoenix? Yes and they've failed.

So you know, the Bulldogs won the Calder Cup a few years back and when they play a game on a decent night (they usually play Fridays and Sundays which are terrible for attendance) they usually get a solid crowd for an AHL team.

One would argue that Hamilton's failure to secure an expansion team despite several attempts and erecting an arena indicates that they HAVE been given a shot, but failed in pressing home their argument.

BTW...I can't be bothered, someone please throw up the Moose' attendance numbers on Friday and Sunday.

[BigMac12]

Minor leagues really make you a big time market.

The point is there was hockey before the Coyotes. You're rational is flawed.

And, where is Quebec City's minor league team?

You mean the Quebec Ramparts, one of the best (if not the best) attendance records in junior hockey?

Junior hockey isn't minor league hockey.

Are you that foolish?

In Canada, most small markets have junior hockey teams. So for Canadian markets, junior hockey is the only game in town. I'd say attendance for both is about the same.

Still, for a city of Quebec City not to have a true minor league team, and junior hockey doesn't count, doesn't help your cause.

[SenatorJake]

You mean like Winnipeg (both IHL and WHA), Quebec City (both IHL and WHA), and Hartford (WHA)?

EDIT-forgot Ottawa for the WHA too.

Im curious as to why you care so much about Phoenix. Im guessing your from St. Louis, a good hockey market and your arguing against Phoenix moving. I dont understand.

Actually from Central Illinois, but whenever the LOL H0CK3Y D03SNT B3L0NG IN T3H S0UTH!!!111one arguments fly up for rather irrational means I find myself siding with the Southern teams. Because I'm pretty much from the hee haw states according to some.

I have nothing against american markets, I wish them well. The Coyotes are in a huge amount of debt. The NHL is losing money. That's not an irrational means.

[Sodboy13]

You're just making things worse for you in eterninty.

Don't mock God. What you sew, you will reap.

You can't spell, you can't think, and you can't go a post without invoking the name of the Lord in a fashion that would make the most shallow of televangelists cringe. For the benefit of those who are both Christian and fans of the sport of hockey in Phoenix - and I happen to fall into both camps on this one - please stop.

[Linus]

You mean like Winnipeg (both IHL and WHA), Quebec City (both IHL and WHA), and Hartford (WHA)?

EDIT-forgot Ottawa for the WHA too.

Im curious as to why you care so much about Phoenix. Im guessing your from St. Louis, a good hockey market and your arguing against Phoenix moving. I dont understand.

Actually from Central Illinois, but whenever the LOL H0CK3Y D03SNT B3L0NG IN T3H S0UTH!!!111one arguments fly up for rather irrational means I find myself siding with the Southern teams. Because I'm pretty much from the hee haw states according to some.

Then why are you in this thread? No where in this thread has the "LOL H0CK3Y D03SNT B3L0NG IN T3H S0UTH!!!111one" argument been brought up. All I see is talk about Phoenix being moved.

[Brass]

Support/attendance for an AHL or IHL team is not a good measurement of how passionate the fanbase for a would-be NHL team would be. IIRC, someone on these boards commented that in the 90's, they were little to no support for the Minnesota Moose of the IHL. Then, they get the Wild and draw pretty well.

With that aside, I wonder if Balsille has ever been to Hartford....

[BigMac12]

You're just making things worse for you in eterninty.

Don't mock God. What you sew, you will reap.

You can't spell, you can't think, and you can't go a post without invoking the name of the Lord in a fashion that would make the most shallow of televangelists cringe. For the benefit those who are both Christian and fans of the sport of hockey in Phoenix - and I happen to fall into both camps on this one - please stop.

And if you don't judge, who will?

Read 1st Corinthinans 6:3, and get back to me.

[rams80]

You mean like Winnipeg (both IHL and WHA), Quebec City (both IHL and WHA), and Hartford (WHA)?

EDIT-forgot Ottawa for the WHA too.

Im curious as to why you care so much about Phoenix. Im guessing your from St. Louis, a good hockey market and your arguing against Phoenix moving. I dont understand.

Actually from Central Illinois, but whenever the LOL H0CK3Y D03SNT B3L0NG IN T3H S0UTH!!!111one arguments fly up for rather irrational means I find myself siding with the Southern teams. Because I'm pretty much from the hee haw states according to some.

I have nothing against american markets, I wish them well. The Coyotes are in a huge amount of debt. The NHL is losing money. That's not an irrational means.

But why have they incurred a huge amount of debt? Because of the market or the lease? I'm under the impression it's more on the latter than the former.

That said, Versus is claiming the Coyotes just filed for Chapter 11, so....fun for all around.

[SenatorJake]

Minor leagues really make you a big time market.

The point is there was hockey before the Coyotes. You're rational is flawed.

And, where is Quebec City's minor league team?

You mean the Quebec Ramparts, one of the best (if not the best) attendance records in junior hockey?

Junior hockey isn't minor league hockey.

Are you that foolish?

In Canada, most small markets have junior hockey teams. So for Canadian markets, junior hockey is the only game in town. I'd say attendance for both is about the same.

Still, for a city of Quebec City not to have a true minor league team, and junior hockey doesn't count, doesn't help your cause.

So let me get this straight. Quebec City where the only sport people care about is hockey is, in fact, not a hockey market. Phoenix, where hockey occupies a small article on the fourth page of the sports section is. Is this what you are saying?

[BigMac12]

You're just making things worse for you in eterninty.

Don't mock God. What you sew, you will reap.

You can't spell, you can't think, and you can't go a post without invoking the name of the Lord in a fashion that would make the most shallow of televangelists cringe. For the benefit of those who are both Christian and fans of the sport of hockey in Phoenix - and I happen to fall into both camps on this one - please stop.

I find your rational disturbing. If you're a Christian you're supposed to judge evil, yet you're telling me to stop?

I'm not holier than though; just forgiven.

[rams80]

You mean like Winnipeg (both IHL and WHA), Quebec City (both IHL and WHA), and Hartford (WHA)?

EDIT-forgot Ottawa for the WHA too.

Im curious as to why you care so much about Phoenix. Im guessing your from St. Louis, a good hockey market and your arguing against Phoenix moving. I dont understand.

Actually from Central Illinois, but whenever the LOL H0CK3Y D03SNT B3L0NG IN T3H S0UTH!!!111one arguments fly up for rather irrational means I find myself siding with the Southern teams. Because I'm pretty much from the hee haw states according to some.

Then why are you in this thread? No where in this thread has the "LOL H0CK3Y D03SNT B3L0NG IN T3H S0UTH!!!111one" argument been brought up. All I see is talk about Phoenix being moved.

Im sorry to anyone who lives in Phoenix or is a fan of the Coyotes but Phoenix doesnt belong in the NHL. Its a downright joke that they have a team when places like Winnipeg, Quebec, Southern Ontario, Seattle (Yes, I think Seattle can work) dont have a team. The sooner the Coyotes leave (same goes for the Predators) the better.

AHEM!

I assume you feel the same about other teams, but just wished to avoid more folks like me.

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Also, I love Jesus as much as the next person, but could our born again bible thumper please SHUT THE UP about him?

He doesn't care that much about hockey.

[BigMac12]

Minor leagues really make you a big time market.

The point is there was hockey before the Coyotes. You're rational is flawed.

And, where is Quebec City's minor league team?

You mean the Quebec Ramparts, one of the best (if not the best) attendance records in junior hockey?

Junior hockey isn't minor league hockey.

Are you that foolish?

In Canada, most small markets have junior hockey teams. So for Canadian markets, junior hockey is the only game in town. I'd say attendance for both is about the same.

Still, for a city of Quebec City not to have a true minor league team, and junior hockey doesn't count, doesn't help your cause.

So let me get this straight. Quebec City where the only sport people care about is hockey is, in fact, not a hockey market. Phoenix, where hockey occupies a small article on the fourth page of the sports section is. Is this what you are saying?

If Quebec is such a hockey town, surely they would have at least a minor league hockey town. At least Winnipeg has one.

So what's Quebec's excuse?

[Gary]

Seriously Bigmac, you are NOT helping the cause and only hurting it. Phoenix has always had a great market for hockey up until 3 or 4 years ago. It all started with the lockout and has gone down ever since. When they were at America West Arena(Now US Airways Center) the house was rocking and they were sold out most of the time. But with the lease they have signed with the city of Glendale, the Phoenix Coyotes have lost nearly 200 million dollars in the years since moving to Glendale.

Who's fault both sides, Glendale for being greedy and the Coyotes to even accepting such a ludicrous offer. Plus the fact that they have not been to the playoffs since they have been to Glendale. This is an untapped market still and people up north are still chastising the team when this is still a young hockey market that hasn't even hit it's potential.

Again Bigmac does NOT speak for all Coyote fans and anything he says comes out of his mouth and not the true fans not only for Glendale but the Coyotes as well

[DEAD!]

But why have they incurred a huge amount of debt? Because of the market or the lease? I'm under the impression it's more on the latter than the former.

That said, Versus is claiming the Coyotes just filed for Chapter 11, so....fun for all around.

It could very well be both. Maybe, Phoenix is a decent hockey market, just not an NHL market.

Wow, this thread has been a lot of fun

[Milo Meningocele]

You're just making things worse for you in eterninty.

Don't mock God. What you sew, you will reap.

You can't spell, you can't think, and you can't go a post without invoking the name of the Lord in a fashion that would make the most shallow of televangelists cringe. For the benefit of those who are both Christian and fans of the sport of hockey in Phoenix - and I happen to fall into both camps on this one - please stop.

I find your rational disturbing. If you're a Christian you're supposed to judge evil, yet you're telling me to stop?

I'm not holier than though; just forgiven.

"Holier than though"?!

"Sew what you reap"?!

LMFAO.

Furthermore (not that I abide by texts written thousands of years ago by mortal men of inferior knowledge), what about the common adage that says to "judge not, lest ye be judged yourself"?

[Linus]

But why have they incurred a huge amount of debt? Because of the market or the lease? I'm under the impression it's more on the latter than the former.

That said, Versus is claiming the Coyotes just filed for Chapter 11, so....fun for all around.

It could very well be both. Maybe, Phoenix is a decent hockey market, just not an NHL market.

Wow, this thread has been a lot of fun

Nice.

[Davey]

If Jim Balsillie where to buy the team and move the franchise to Canada, I think he should look into a market where he would not have to been in this situation 5 years down the road. He if he moves to Southern Ontario area, it would not work out because you already have the Maple Leafs. Not saying it would not work, but if your comparing to a team that brings in money and sells the seats out every night when they haven't made the playoffs over the past 3 years ( i think 4 now ), to a town in Southern Ontario ( maybe Hamilton ) then it just wouldn't work. Who would go to the games where they can go watch the Leafs. Im sure others don't see it that way, but I just don't see it working out if he does this.

Jim Balsillie does buy the team why not keep it in Phoenix, maybe bring in a new gm or whole new staff, but at least try to fix the team around, help the franchise and get them into the playoffs ( which would bring in money ). I'm sure it would not be the best case because the teams finical problem right now, but If that don't work, then look for a new location.

[SenatorJake]

You mean like Winnipeg (both IHL and WHA), Quebec City (both IHL and WHA), and Hartford (WHA)?

EDIT-forgot Ottawa for the WHA too.

Im curious as to why you care so much about Phoenix. Im guessing your from St. Louis, a good hockey market and your arguing against Phoenix moving. I dont understand.

Actually from Central Illinois, but whenever the LOL H0CK3Y D03SNT B3L0NG IN T3H S0UTH!!!111one arguments fly up for rather irrational means I find myself siding with the Southern teams. Because I'm pretty much from the hee haw states according to some.

I have nothing against american markets, I wish them well. The Coyotes are in a huge amount of debt. The NHL is losing money. That's not an irrational means.

But why have they incurred a huge amount of debt? Because of the market or the lease? I'm under the impression it's more on the latter than the former.

That said, Versus is claiming the Coyotes just filed for Chapter 11, so....fun for all around.

I never said it was the fans fault. The team is losing money. If you file for bankruptcy, you hurt the whole league's image and pocketbook. That's capitalism my friend. If it makes Americans cringe so much to move the team to Canada, then let me ask you this: Where is the Kansas City group and why haven't they made an offer? I think hockey in Kansas is a great idea. They gotta get on this if they hope to score a team. I know Bettman will back them up over Ballsillie.

[BigMac12]

Seriously Bigmac, you are NOT helping the cause and only hurting it. Phoenix has always had a great market for hockey up until 3 or 4 years ago. It all started with the lockout and has gone down ever since. When they were at America West Arena(Now US Airways Center) the house was rocking and they were sold out most of the time. But with the lease they have signed with the city of Glendale, the Phoenix Coyotes have lost nearly 200 million dollars in the years since moving to Glendale.

Who's fault both sides, Glendale for being greedy and the Coyotes to even accepting such a ludicrous offer. Plus the fact that they have not been to the playoffs since they have been to Glendale. This is an untapped market still and people up north are still chastising the team when this is still a young hockey market that hasn't even hit it's potential.

Again Bigmac does NOT speak for all Coyote fans and anything he says comes out of his mouth and not the true fans not only for Glendale but the Coyotes as well

When did I say I speak for the Coyotes as a whole?

God, why do these people get rewarded when they shouldn't?

[rams80]

But why have they incurred a huge amount of debt? Because of the market or the lease? I'm under the impression it's more on the latter than the former.

That said, Versus is claiming the Coyotes just filed for Chapter 11, so....fun for all around.

It could very well be both. Maybe, Phoenix is a decent hockey market, just not an NHL market.

Wow, this thread has been a lot of fun

Probably.

Of course, I'd make the same argument about Winnipeg, Quebec City, and Hartford.