NatsFan2004 Posted September 19, 2011 Share Posted September 19, 2011 What role do Conference USA schools play in all of this? Consider what would happen if, say, UCF, East Carolina, Houston and Southern Miss joined up with the remnants of the Big 12 (Kansas, Kansas State, Baylor and Iowa State) and the Big East (Louisville, Cincinnati, TCU, South Florida). You might have something like this:Eastern DivisionCentral FloridaCincinnatiEast CarolinaLouisvilleSouth FloridaSouthern MissWestern DivisionBaylorHoustonIowa StateKansasKansas StateTCUNot ideal, but IMO better than the mishmash the C*USA or Big East currently are. Also, it'd give both sides a chance to have a championship game (in Chicago, perhaps?) which is currently not possible in either the Big 12 or Big East. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jkrdevil Posted September 19, 2011 Share Posted September 19, 2011 BTW, Utah may be the luckiest of all in realignment business. Texas' PP to get the LHN network and "save" the Big 12 last year allowed them to get a spot at the table. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jkrdevil Posted September 19, 2011 Share Posted September 19, 2011 What role do Conference USA schools play in all of this? Consider what would happen if, say, UCF, East Carolina, Houston and Southern Miss joined up with the remnants of the Big 12 (Kansas, Kansas State, Baylor and Iowa State) and the Big East (Louisville, Cincinnati, Rutgers, South Florida). You might have something like this:Eastern DivisionCentral FloridaCincinnatiEast CarolinaLouisvilleRutgersSouth FloridaWestern DivisionBaylorHoustonIowa StateKansasKansas StateSouthern MissNot ideal, but certainly better than the mishmash the C*USA or Big East currently are.Pretty reasonable. Basically a replay of 2003 where CUSA gets raided to fill out. The question here is since you have Rutgers in this what happens to UConn? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McCall Posted September 19, 2011 Share Posted September 19, 2011 UCF and USF aren't going to get taken by an AQ conference.USF's already in an AQ conference... for now, anyway.I was talking about in the future, because the Big East collapse is going to cost them their place at the table. They may end up in the Big 12-Big East mash up, but I don't think that will be AQ.If Mizzou, Kansas, K-State, Iowa State, Baylor, Cincinnati, Louisville and TCU along with USF are in it, then it probably will be. But I'm not so sure a few of those key schools won't be picked up by another conference.There is no way in hell Baylor is going to be in an AQ conference after the Big XII collapses.If they stay with the 4 other Big XII schools, along with the 4 Big East schools, then yeah. If Mizzou goes somewhere, as does Louisviile from the Big East, then no. Quote https://dribbble.com/MakaioCall Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NatsFan2004 Posted September 19, 2011 Share Posted September 19, 2011 What role do Conference USA schools play in all of this? Consider what would happen if, say, UCF, East Carolina, Houston and Southern Miss joined up with the remnants of the Big 12 (Kansas, Kansas State, Baylor and Iowa State) and the Big East (Louisville, Cincinnati, Rutgers, South Florida). You might have something like this:Eastern DivisionCentral FloridaCincinnatiEast CarolinaLouisvilleSouth FloridaSouthern MissWestern DivisionBaylorHoustonIowa StateKansasKansas StateTCUNot ideal, but certainly better than the mishmash the C*USA or Big East currently are.Pretty reasonable. Basically a replay of 2003 where CUSA gets raided to fill out. The question here is since you have Rutgers in this what happens to UConn?On second thought, I swapped out Rutgers for TCU - IMO, they'd move to a conference with Baylor and Houston if it was an AQ. In this scenario, Rutgers stays with the rest of the Big East basketball schools whereever they end up (same conference or a new one) and goes football-only in another conference, probably the MAC.In any case, I think UConn is ACC-bound. No sense in staying in a conference that's as unstable as the Big East when you can easily fit into a conference that will still give you a AQ opportunity in football and has as great or greater basketball prestige as the Big East. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thespleenenator Posted September 19, 2011 Share Posted September 19, 2011 UCF and USF aren't going to get taken by an AQ conference.USF's already in an AQ conference... for now, anyway.I was talking about in the future, because the Big East collapse is going to cost them their place at the table. They may end up in the Big 12-Big East mash up, but I don't think that will be AQ.If Mizzou, Kansas, K-State, Iowa State, Baylor, Cincinnati, Louisville and TCU along with USF are in it, then it probably will be. But I'm not so sure a few of those key schools won't be picked up by another conference.There is no way in hell Baylor is going to be in an AQ conference after the Big XII collapses.If they stay with the 4 other Big XII schools, along with the 4 Big East schools, then yeah. If Mizzou goes somewhere, as does Louisviile from the Big East, then no.I think MIzzou goes to the Big Ten and Louisville goes to the SEC. Even so, Baylor brings nothing to the table. For one, they are a small, private school in the middle of Texas. Two, they have very little to bring forward in terms of sports. And three, they are a religious university, which makes them poison to the B1G and Pac-12/16. That means only the SEC and ACC would accept them, which, at this point, if laughable. That, and their fanbase absolutely sucks. Quote Why you make fun of me? I make concept for Auburn champions and you make fun of me. I cry tears.Chopping off the dicks of Filipino boys and embracing causes that promote bigotry =/= strong moral character. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McCall Posted September 19, 2011 Share Posted September 19, 2011 UCF and USF aren't going to get taken by an AQ conference.USF's already in an AQ conference... for now, anyway.I was talking about in the future, because the Big East collapse is going to cost them their place at the table. They may end up in the Big 12-Big East mash up, but I don't think that will be AQ.If Mizzou, Kansas, K-State, Iowa State, Baylor, Cincinnati, Louisville and TCU along with USF are in it, then it probably will be. But I'm not so sure a few of those key schools won't be picked up by another conference.There is no way in hell Baylor is going to be in an AQ conference after the Big XII collapses.If they stay with the 4 other Big XII schools, along with the 4 Big East schools, then yeah. If Mizzou goes somewhere, as does Louisviile from the Big East, then no.I think MIzzou goes to the Big Ten and Louisville goes to the SEC. Even so, Baylor brings nothing to the table. For one, they are a small, private school in the middle of Texas. Two, they have very little to bring forward in terms of sports. And three, they are a religious university, which makes them poison to the B1G and Pac-12/16. That means only the SEC and ACC would accept them, which, at this point, if laughable. That, and their fanbase absolutely sucks.Yeah they don't bring much. But they do have better basketball and football programs than UCF. Quote https://dribbble.com/MakaioCall Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LetsGoOakland9 Posted September 19, 2011 Share Posted September 19, 2011 I think one of the conferences without any Texas schools could have a little interest in Baylor, if only for recruiting purposes. Baylor is somewhat of a hot school right now though, their football and basketball programs have both seen lots of improvement in the last few years Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thespleenenator Posted September 19, 2011 Share Posted September 19, 2011 UCF and USF aren't going to get taken by an AQ conference.USF's already in an AQ conference... for now, anyway.I was talking about in the future, because the Big East collapse is going to cost them their place at the table. They may end up in the Big 12-Big East mash up, but I don't think that will be AQ.If Mizzou, Kansas, K-State, Iowa State, Baylor, Cincinnati, Louisville and TCU along with USF are in it, then it probably will be. But I'm not so sure a few of those key schools won't be picked up by another conference.There is no way in hell Baylor is going to be in an AQ conference after the Big XII collapses.If they stay with the 4 other Big XII schools, along with the 4 Big East schools, then yeah. If Mizzou goes somewhere, as does Louisviile from the Big East, then no.I think MIzzou goes to the Big Ten and Louisville goes to the SEC. Even so, Baylor brings nothing to the table. For one, they are a small, private school in the middle of Texas. Two, they have very little to bring forward in terms of sports. And three, they are a religious university, which makes them poison to the B1G and Pac-12/16. That means only the SEC and ACC would accept them, which, at this point, if laughable. That, and their fanbase absolutely sucks.Yeah they don't bring much. But they do have better basketball and football programs than UCF.Actually, no they don't.UCFSince 2005: 8-5, 4-8, 10-4, 4-8, 8-5, 11-3BaylorSince 2005: 5-6, 4-8, 3-9, 4-8, 4-8, 7-6UCFSince 2005: 14-15, 22-9, 16-15, 17-14, 15-17, 21-12BaylorSince 2005: 4-13, 15-16, 21-11, 24-15, 28-8, 18-13, I will admit, Baylor had a period between 2007-2009 where they were pretty successful. But for the most part, they've been pretty pathetic. UCF also has Marcus Jordan, and is trending upward, and has a nice new arena. Bottom line, Baylor is trending even at best, and UCF is rising rapidly. Quote Why you make fun of me? I make concept for Auburn champions and you make fun of me. I cry tears.Chopping off the dicks of Filipino boys and embracing causes that promote bigotry =/= strong moral character. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McCall Posted September 19, 2011 Share Posted September 19, 2011 UCF and USF aren't going to get taken by an AQ conference.USF's already in an AQ conference... for now, anyway.I was talking about in the future, because the Big East collapse is going to cost them their place at the table. They may end up in the Big 12-Big East mash up, but I don't think that will be AQ.If Mizzou, Kansas, K-State, Iowa State, Baylor, Cincinnati, Louisville and TCU along with USF are in it, then it probably will be. But I'm not so sure a few of those key schools won't be picked up by another conference.There is no way in hell Baylor is going to be in an AQ conference after the Big XII collapses.If they stay with the 4 other Big XII schools, along with the 4 Big East schools, then yeah. If Mizzou goes somewhere, as does Louisviile from the Big East, then no.I think MIzzou goes to the Big Ten and Louisville goes to the SEC. Even so, Baylor brings nothing to the table. For one, they are a small, private school in the middle of Texas. Two, they have very little to bring forward in terms of sports. And three, they are a religious university, which makes them poison to the B1G and Pac-12/16. That means only the SEC and ACC would accept them, which, at this point, if laughable. That, and their fanbase absolutely sucks.Yeah they don't bring much. But they do have better basketball and football programs than UCF.Actually, no they don't.UCFSince 2005: 8-5, 4-8, 10-4, 4-8, 8-5, 11-3BaylorSince 2005: 5-6, 4-8, 3-9, 4-8, 4-8, 7-6UCFSince 2005: 14-15, 22-9, 16-15, 17-14, 15-17, 21-12BaylorSince 2005: 4-13, 15-16, 21-11, 24-15, 28-8, 18-13, I will admit, Baylor had a period between 2007-2009 where they were pretty successful. But for the most part, they've been pretty pathetic. UCF also has Marcus Jordan, and is trending upward, and has a nice new arena. Bottom line, Baylor is trending even at best, and UCF is rising rapidly.Baylor has one of the top recruiting classes and are probably a preseason top 10 pick. Quote https://dribbble.com/MakaioCall Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thespleenenator Posted September 19, 2011 Share Posted September 19, 2011 UCF and USF aren't going to get taken by an AQ conference.USF's already in an AQ conference... for now, anyway.I was talking about in the future, because the Big East collapse is going to cost them their place at the table. They may end up in the Big 12-Big East mash up, but I don't think that will be AQ.If Mizzou, Kansas, K-State, Iowa State, Baylor, Cincinnati, Louisville and TCU along with USF are in it, then it probably will be. But I'm not so sure a few of those key schools won't be picked up by another conference.There is no way in hell Baylor is going to be in an AQ conference after the Big XII collapses.If they stay with the 4 other Big XII schools, along with the 4 Big East schools, then yeah. If Mizzou goes somewhere, as does Louisviile from the Big East, then no.I think MIzzou goes to the Big Ten and Louisville goes to the SEC. Even so, Baylor brings nothing to the table. For one, they are a small, private school in the middle of Texas. Two, they have very little to bring forward in terms of sports. And three, they are a religious university, which makes them poison to the B1G and Pac-12/16. That means only the SEC and ACC would accept them, which, at this point, if laughable. That, and their fanbase absolutely sucks.Yeah they don't bring much. But they do have better basketball and football programs than UCF.Actually, no they don't.UCFSince 2005: 8-5, 4-8, 10-4, 4-8, 8-5, 11-3BaylorSince 2005: 5-6, 4-8, 3-9, 4-8, 4-8, 7-6UCFSince 2005: 14-15, 22-9, 16-15, 17-14, 15-17, 21-12BaylorSince 2005: 4-13, 15-16, 21-11, 24-15, 28-8, 18-13, I will admit, Baylor had a period between 2007-2009 where they were pretty successful. But for the most part, they've been pretty pathetic. UCF also has Marcus Jordan, and is trending upward, and has a nice new arena. Bottom line, Baylor is trending even at best, and UCF is rising rapidly.Baylor has one of the top recruiting classes and are probably a preseason top 10 pick.I'm talking about overall as a university. Quote Why you make fun of me? I make concept for Auburn champions and you make fun of me. I cry tears.Chopping off the dicks of Filipino boys and embracing causes that promote bigotry =/= strong moral character. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LetsGoOakland9 Posted September 19, 2011 Share Posted September 19, 2011 Marcus Jordan? Hahaha. Baylor has a top 5 pick next year in Perry Jones, and they just brought in Deuce Bello and Quincy Miller, all of them would on Jordan and UCF Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanMcD29 Posted September 19, 2011 Share Posted September 19, 2011 UCF and USF aren't going to get taken by an AQ conference.USF's already in an AQ conference... for now, anyway.I was talking about in the future, because the Big East collapse is going to cost them their place at the table. They may end up in the Big 12-Big East mash up, but I don't think that will be AQ.If Mizzou, Kansas, K-State, Iowa State, Baylor, Cincinnati, Louisville and TCU along with USF are in it, then it probably will be. But I'm not so sure a few of those key schools won't be picked up by another conference.There is no way in hell Baylor is going to be in an AQ conference after the Big XII collapses.If they stay with the 4 other Big XII schools, along with the 4 Big East schools, then yeah. If Mizzou goes somewhere, as does Louisviile from the Big East, then no.I think MIzzou goes to the Big Ten and Louisville goes to the SEC. Even so, Baylor brings nothing to the table. For one, they are a small, private school in the middle of Texas. Two, they have very little to bring forward in terms of sports. And three, they are a religious university, which makes them poison to the B1G and Pac-12/16. That means only the SEC and ACC would accept them, which, at this point, if laughable. That, and their fanbase absolutely sucks.Yeah they don't bring much. But they do have better basketball and football programs than UCF.Baylor has one of the top recruiting classes and are probably a preseason top 10 pick.I'm talking about overall as a university.For all your talk about UCF being a rising school, it's worth noting Baylor's like 100 spots ahead of them. And yeah, their basketball and football on the rise doesn't hurt eitherhttp://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-colleges/baylor-university-6967 Quote Twitter: @RyanMcD29 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LetsGoOakland9 Posted September 19, 2011 Share Posted September 19, 2011 Spleen why do you always start arguements, then when you're proved wrong you say "I was talking about ____" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thespleenenator Posted September 19, 2011 Share Posted September 19, 2011 Spleen why do you always start arguements, then when you're proved wrong you say "I was talking about ____"Umm, because I was talking about as a whole?I will admit, I did not know that they had a good recruiting class, but may I point out, good recruiting does not always equal wins. Like I said before, the fact that they are a small, private, religious school is going to factor into which conference they go into. Quote Why you make fun of me? I make concept for Auburn champions and you make fun of me. I cry tears.Chopping off the dicks of Filipino boys and embracing causes that promote bigotry =/= strong moral character. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LetsGoOakland9 Posted September 19, 2011 Share Posted September 19, 2011 This isn't the first time you've done that. But I'm still laughing at you bringing up Marcus Jordan, Perry would sh1t all over him, and anyone else at UCFAs a whole university, or however else you want to look at it, Baylor>UCF Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thespleenenator Posted September 19, 2011 Share Posted September 19, 2011 This isn't the first time you've done that. But I'm still laughing at you bringing up Marcus Jordan, Perry would sh1t all over him, and anyone else at UCFAs a whole university, or however else you want to look at it, Baylor>UCFEvidence? Quote Why you make fun of me? I make concept for Auburn champions and you make fun of me. I cry tears.Chopping off the dicks of Filipino boys and embracing causes that promote bigotry =/= strong moral character. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicageaux Posted September 19, 2011 Share Posted September 19, 2011 This isn't the first time you've done that. But I'm still laughing at you bringing up Marcus Jordan, Perry would sh1t all over him, and anyone else at UCFAs a whole university, or however else you want to look at it, Baylor>UCFI've been to both universities and I think UCF has a little more eye candy. But, then again, when you have over 28,000 females at a school, there's bound to be some lookers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LetsGoOakland9 Posted September 19, 2011 Share Posted September 19, 2011 Evidence of the contrary? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mania Posted September 19, 2011 Share Posted September 19, 2011 I'm really pissed that those teams joined, now its harder for Oregon to dominate the Pac-12.They'll need more of Nike's money to buy recruits, that's for sure. Quote Off The Top Rope: A Pro Wrestling Podcast Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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