2009-10 NFL off season thread

[BBTV]

Rams, don't waste your time.

*wastes veritable sh-t ton of time*

I also warn people about the bad things that artificial sweeteners can do to you, and then proceed to drink bottle after bottle of Diet Dr. Pepper. I guess Saintsfan is kind of like aspartame.

[Sport]

The Bengals have once again brought in someone fimiliar with orange and black stripes. This time, it's former Jacksonville WR Matt Jones.

Cincy has also expressed interest in troubled CB Adam 'Pacman' Jones. Sure, why not, right?

...Not to mention the T.O. rumors that have been circulating. God, I wish I could stop liking them!

I'd love all three to play for Cincinnati. Sure they're not winners off the field, but it's not like they are god awful on it. The Bengals are a football team, not a PR firm. If these moves make them a better team, I'm all for it. I'm hoping for a Matt Jones Wildcat package this fall.

How is TO not a winner off the field? IIRC, he's never been involved in any kind of off-field transgressions. Actually, with the charity work he does for Alzheimer's and other community things, I'd say that he is a winner off the field.

I didn't mean to imply that he was a criminal, but I think it's safe to say he hasn't been the greatest teammate in the locker room. But there was his apparent suicide attempt a few years back.

I've heard that they've worked out Pacman Jones. If they sign I'm going to break something.

As for Matt Jones, sure he's got some character issues doing coke in the back of a car, but nobody at Jacksonville ever said he was a bad teammate.

[Saintsfan]

You know the fun thing about the NFL? We don't have promotion/relegation. You don't have to sacrifice a chance at a championship in the name of being consistently good. McNabb can be a rental, a merc to give you a ring. You don't need to like him or keep him around long term. Shoot, I think Childress and Favre hate strongly dislike each other and yet they kept it sort of together for one year. Ultimately, if you get a ring it was worth it. Period.

Also, as a general salary note, there's a very good chance the salary cap is going away for at least next season. It is therefore unnecessary to find room for a player's contract.

On a case by case front; Leinart had his shot-two NFL seasons and he then lost in a preseason QB competition during his 3rd. Arizona couldn't afford to screw around waiting for him to figure things out, so they went with Warner. That point is even more true now. He might be good in an emergency, but beyond that you need more. For flip's sake, the Rams damn near beat the Cardinals last year because Leinart went in to replace an injured Warner.

Jackson's "fine for awhile" does not equate to "will win championship". That latter is what the Vikings want. And that is what the Vikings will seek.

The point isn't the salary cap, or relegation, its do teams want to does the franchise have the money to throw everything at a run at the superbowl in this way. Neither Minnesota or Arizona are big market teams. Could Arizona afford a first round draft pick QB and a big trade veteran QB whilst maintaining a championship caliber team in other positions? I am not so sure. Could Minnesota risk both McNabb's and Favre's wage bills on there books? Again not so sure.

I am not saying that Leinart is the answer for the Cardinals, but they have put a lot of time and money into him, they won't want to throw that away without giving him his chance as the starter for the team. NFL teams just don't do that. A year and a half as starter, 2 or 3 years ago is not giving the guy a chance. And he was competing for the starting spot for the last couple of years against a guy who might well one day be in the Hall of Fame.

The other issue with trading for a QB is the possibility that a decent rookie QB may fall down the draft. Certainly the Vikings might even be prepared to risk trading up a few spots to get a shot at a Clausen or a Bradford rather than give up a lot more for McNabb. Teams do think in the medium and long term as well as the short term. (Evidenced by the way the Buccs took semtex to there team after the 2008 season.) The Vikings could easily decide that the likelihood is that Favre will come back for one last year and that a rookie top rated QB would make sense as the 2011 starter.

The Cardinals could I suppose make a move for McNabb, but again its going to be a very costly trade with only a short contract. That doesn't seem to make a lot of sense to me. You risk the guy playing one year and then testing free agency, having given up a good draft pick or a star player. Thats a huge gamble to take for a franchise that has only recently started to win. If McNabb were a guarantee of success then fair enough, but if he were a guarantee of success he wouldn't be available.

[Cujo]

The Ravens beat Cincy to the punch, sign convicted wide out Donte Stallworth.

[STL FANATIC]

Rams, don't waste your time.

*wastes veritable sh-t ton of time*

I also warn people about the bad things that artificial sweeteners can do to you, and then proceed to drink bottle after bottle of Diet Dr. Pepper. I guess Saintsfan is kind of like aspartame.

Speaking of wasting time, I just lost about 5 minutes trying to go back and figure out what the St. Louis Rams shouldn't bother doing this off-season only to find out you were warning a poster about engaging in debate.

You've failed everyone BBTV. Everyone.

[The_Admiral]

He's right that the Rams shouldn't waste their time. On anything. If they're thinking about whom they'll draft, it's wasted time. Just take Suh.

[rams80]

Rams, don't waste your time.

*wastes veritable sh-t ton of time*

I also warn people about the bad things that artificial sweeteners can do to you, and then proceed to drink bottle after bottle of Diet Dr. Pepper. I guess Saintsfan is kind of like aspartame.

Speaking of wasting time, I just lost about 5 minutes trying to go back and figure out what the St. Louis Rams shouldn't bother doing this off-season only to find out you were warning a poster about engaging in debate.

You've failed everyone BBTV. Everyone.

Pursue Michael Vick?

[BaltimoreFan]

The Ravens beat Cincy to the punch, sign convicted wide out Donte Stallworth.

I'm not sure what to think of this. Stallworth seems remorse and I guess deserves a second chance. I just hope Stallworth isn't there "answer" to the WR problems. He's been a solid option, but they still need a #1 WR.

[BBTV]

The Ravens beat Cincy to the punch, sign convicted wide out Donte Stallworth.

I'm not sure what to think of this. Stallworth seems remorse and I guess deserves a second chance. I just hope Stallworth isn't there "answer" to the WR problems. He's been a solid option, but they still need a #1 WR.

Unfortunately, games are not played in the training room. This guy is as fragile as any good player in the league.

[rams80]

Congratulations Marshall, you just PNG'd yourself at Rams Park (read bottom)

When you lose about a quarter of your roster to injury for significant stretches for 3 or 4 consecutive season, then see a staph infection and a sizable swine flu outbreak in the last of those, firing the trainer is the usual course of action, regardless of how many years of service they gave.

[BaltimoreFan]

The Ravens beat Cincy to the punch, sign convicted wide out Donte Stallworth.

I'm not sure what to think of this. Stallworth seems remorse and I guess deserves a second chance. I just hope Stallworth isn't there "answer" to the WR problems. He's been a solid option, but they still need a #1 WR.

Unfortunately, games are not played in the training room. This guy is as fragile as any good player in the league.

Thats the thing, I don't really see how he's any better than Derrick Mason (or even Mark Clayton and Kelley Washington). Which certainly isn't a bad thing to have on the team. But the Ravens really need a big play receiver. They've been able to pass for the first down, but they can't get the big play. It caused way too many drives to stall.

If this is an uncapped year, I would really hope that the Ravens take advantage of it by trading for Boldin or Marshall or any other big name that may be available. But I'm afraid they're going to use Stallworth as an excuse, just like they always found excuses last year.

[FiddySicks]

ESPN is reporting that the Chargers have stopped paying Ladanian Tomlinson's power bill. Seems wrong to me that they would have to just dump their leading rusher, but unfortunately it makes sense. He'll find a new team though, and fast. The jersey sales numbers alone would be worth it.

Oh and to Puckguy, thanks for Sproles!

[NEW.ERA]

Now to speculate where LT will land.

[DDR]

ESPN is reporting that the Chargers have just pulled the plug on LT. Seems wrong to me that they would have to just dump their leading rusher, but unfortunately it makes sense. He'll find a new team though, and fast. The jersey sales numbers alone would be worth it.

Here's to a helluva run in SD, and to LT not signing with New Orleans as some of the rumors I've heard suggest he will and ruining Pierre Thomas' fantasy trade value.

[NEW.ERA]

I could see him returning to his home state and signing with the Texans. Steve Slaton took a massive step back and LT's experience could fit in huge for a team that's ready to take that next step.

Skins, Packers and Seahawks also come to mind.

[DDR]

I could see him returning to his home state and signing with the Texans. Steve Slaton took a massive step back and LT's experience could fit in huge for a team that's ready to take that next step.

Skins, Packers and Seahawks also come to mind.

Here's what I like about LT to the Packers: Even though he's slowing down, the Packers could use a RB who's a receiving threat as well. Plus, I like having somebody capable to share some of the load with Ryan Grant - and I'm not a big Brandon Jackson or Ahman Green supporter. Even still, I'd like to see GB draft a RB somewhere in the RD 2-4 range. A speed back to use as a change of pace, which LT wouldn't represent.

[rams80]

ESPN is reporting that the Chargers have stopped paying Ladanian Tomlinson's power bill. Seems wrong to me that they would have to just dump their leading rusher, but unfortunately it makes sense. He'll find a new team though, and fast. The jersey sales numbers alone would be worth it.

Oh and to Puckguy, thanks for Sproles!

Wait...They paid his power bill?! What the hell gets written into these contracts? A plate of M&Ms every day without the red ones?

[NEW.ERA]

I could see him returning to his home state and signing with the Texans. Steve Slaton took a massive step back and LT's experience could fit in huge for a team that's ready to take that next step.

Skins, Packers and Seahawks also come to mind.

Here's what I like about LT to the Packers: Even though he's slowing down, the Packers could use a RB who's a receiving threat as well. Plus, I like having somebody capable to share some of the load with Ryan Grant - and I'm not a big Brandon Jackson or Ahman Green supporter. Even still, I'd like to see GB draft a RB somewhere in the RD 2-4 range. A speed back to use as a change of pace, which LT wouldn't represent.

Agreed and to add to that Tomlinson is an established back who could bring is knowledge of the position to help out Grant and the way the Packers offense is set up LT would be more of a receiving threat like you said and if the price is right why not sign Tomlinson who is arguably one of the best to ever play the game.

I find that drafting a Running Back unless you take one in the First Round isn?t as much as a gamble the one good thing about the Backs is there will always be Backs and you can always find that diamond in the rough in later years. With the first three picks that the Packers have I think they have bigger holes to fill then Running Back.

[Cujo]

Now to speculate where LT will land.

Tomlinson is exactly the type the Patriots would bring in -- Someone well past his prime in desperate need of a ring.

[The_Admiral]

They paid his power bill?!

[tank]The Chargers make sure his iPod gets charged[/tank]