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Gretzky's case is kind of strange. It helps that he wore such an unusual number... if he wore #8, I don't think it would be retired league-wide.

If it were up to me, I'd only do the league-wide thing for players that really had a big impact beyond scoring a lot of points. Jordan and Gretzky come close, but I'd only have Jackie Robinson's number retired league-wide in any of the big four sports.

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Always thought retiring #99 was a desperate cry for attention from a sport that didn't have enough confidence in itself.

Best player to play the game by a large margin gets his number retired league wide? Not seeing the problem.
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Always thought retiring #99 was a desperate cry for attention from a sport that didn't have enough confidence in itself.

Best player to play the game by a large margin gets his number retired league wide? Not seeing the problem.

So why is retiring 23 for Jordan a problem?

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23 is a common basketball number due to high school and college only allowing digits 0-5, and as great as Jordan was, he didn't change the entire landscape of the game like Robinson, nor did he dominate the record books and public consciousness of the game like Gretzky. Of course Jordan was the most famous athlete in the world -- even today, he's still #2 and he hasn't played for 11 years! -- but there were other huge superstars in the NBA. To most of the world, hockey was and is Gretzky and everyone else more than basketball was and is Jordan and everyone else.

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Always thought retiring #99 was a desperate cry for attention from a sport that didn't have enough confidence in itself.

Best player to play the game by a large margin gets his number retired league wide? Not seeing the problem.

So why is retiring 23 for Jordan a problem?
I don't have a problem with retiring 23 for Jordan. Never have.
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Always thought retiring #99 was a desperate cry for attention from a sport that didn't have enough confidence in itself.

Best player to play the game by a large margin gets his number retired league wide? Not seeing the problem.

Nobody dominated his sport, or the public consciousness, more than Babe Ruth. Should all baseball teams have retired #3?

It's a busher move from a league unsure of its own relevance and desperate to prove something. The same kind of league, in fact, that would expand to places disinterested in the sport just to claim some sort of "national footprint".

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I really think that to have your number retired by the league, you have to do something for the game outside of statistics. Jackie Robinson fully deserved to have his number retired leaguewide not because of his stats, but because he broke the color barrier while withstanding a lot of :censored:. I don't believe that a league should retire a number just because a player was dominate. (I would advocate for 21 to be retired leaguewide because Clemente's tragic death and where he was going where he died. Examples like that).

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Always thought retiring #99 was a desperate cry for attention from a sport that didn't have enough confidence in itself.

Best player to play the game by a large margin gets his number retired league wide? Not seeing the problem.

Nobody dominated his sport, or the public consciousness, more than Babe Ruth. Should all baseball teams have retired #3?

I have no issue with #3 being retired throughout MLB.

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Always thought retiring #99 was a desperate cry for attention from a sport that didn't have enough confidence in itself.

Best player to play the game by a large margin gets his number retired league wide? Not seeing the problem.
Nobody dominated his sport, or the public consciousness, more than Babe Ruth. Should all baseball teams have retired #3?

I have no issue with #3 being retired throughout MLB.

I think MLB has it right with just retiring 42. The man that wore 42 and what he accomplished transcends sports in general and broke the color barrier. Baby Ruth, although an amazing player, did not transcend the game of baseball.

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I don't think any number has been associated with any one player more than 99 with Gretzky, mostly because of how odd of a number it was (at the time.) I really don't think any North American player would be ballsy enough to ever wear 99, but europeans might have eventually.

I'm against league-wide retirements in every case, even Jackie Robinson. There's plenty of ways to honor someone league wide besides taking their number out of circulation from teams he never even played for. It was especially eggregious in Robinson's case because they waited so long to do it that hundreds of players had worn the number after him, and in at least one case (Mariano Rivera), it will be retired for him by his team, but now he has to share that honor.

Retiring 23 would be stupid for the reasons I've pointed out in other posts, but especially because it's such a common "core" number in basketball. If MJ was #75, then it would still be stupid but whatever it's not really taking away a real number that people really like wearing.

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Jordan's number should never be retired. That could open up arguments to have other numbers like 6, 32, and 13 to be retired as well. Russell, Magic, and Wilt were all arguably just as good as Jordan was.

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I'm against league-wide retirements in every case, even Jackie Robinson. There's plenty of ways to honor someone league wide besides taking their number out of circulation from teams he never even played for. It was especially eggregious in Robinson's case because they waited so long to do it that hundreds of players had worn the number after him, and in at least one case (Mariano Rivera), it will be retired for him by his team, but now he has to share that honor.

The Cardinals already have 42 as a shared retired number for Robinson and Bruce Sutter.

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What makes you think nobody would have worn it?

If recent history is any indication, we would have seen a bunch of players adopt it in the early 2020s.

What recent history?

What makes me think nobody would've worn it is that when I played nobody wore 99. If anybody would've worn 99 they would've been properly learned. There have been exactly three people in the history of the NHL to wear 99. Two schlubs for a couple years in the early 80's and Gretzky. He took ownership of that number during his career. Even if they hadn't formally retired it league wide nobody would've worn it.

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What makes you think nobody would have worn it?

If recent history is any indication, we would have seen a bunch of players adopt it in the early 2020s.

What recent history?

What makes me think nobody would've worn it is that when I played nobody wore 99. If anybody would've worn 99 they would've been properly learned. There have been exactly three people in the history of the NHL to wear 99. Two schlubs for a couple years in the early 80's and Gretzky. He took ownership of that number during his career. Even if they hadn't formally retired it league wide nobody would've worn it.

People like Crosby wearing 87 because that's when they were born, it wont be long before people who were born in 1999 start playing in the nhl.
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