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6 minutes ago, OnWis97 said:

But wait...they're in the East.  Who signs with teams in the East?

 

 

There is no Eastern Conference. It's a myth. ?

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The Gordon Hayward situation: 

 

 

 

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Thank you, Utah.

 

https://www.theplayerstribune.com/gordon-hayward-decision-free-agency-nba/amp/

 

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This was a life-changing decision for me and my family, and something we took really seriously. And from the very start of this process, one thing stood out as important: I knew that I wanted the fans and the organizations to hear my decision directly from me.

After seven years in Utah, I have decided to join the Boston Celtics.

I know that will be tough to hear for Jazz fans — and I really want you all to know that you mean the world to me and my family. Over the past few days, I’ve been genuinely torn. And I know that this process isn’t easy on the fans, either. So I just want to be as straight-up as possible about why I’m coming to Boston.

 

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There it goes.

 

https://theplayerstribune.com/gordon-hayward-decision-free-agency-nba/

 

 

Best of luck to him and no hard feelings. I'll gladly applaud him when he comes back to the Vivint.

 

Dang it if this doesn't sting like hell though. This is the kind of stuff that time and again make being a lifelong Jazz fan extremely hard. Worth it, but hard.

 

As for going forward, well, I don't know what options there are that's going to make this up in Free Agency. This is a devastating setback in the team's progress, which I fully believed was still on its way up. It's going to be a long few seasons now. 

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Awesome. 

At least now no one can say the Celtics offseason was a total bust now. 

 

Maybe now the Celtics can win more than one playoff game against the Cavs.  

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Should average people know who all these guys now making ~$30M/ year are?  I don't follow basketball  but I know the top guys mostly just from the proverbial water cooler and these boards.  There's guys signing 3yr/$90M deals that I've never even heard of at the cooler.  Is it my ignorance, or are there essentially average joes getting PAID?

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18 minutes ago, BringBackTheVet said:

Should average people know who all these guys now making ~$30M/ year are?  I don't follow basketball  but I know the top guys mostly just from the proverbial water cooler and these boards.  There's guys signing 3yr/$90M deals that I've never even heard of at the cooler.  Is it my ignorance, or are there essentially average joes getting PAID?

They aren't average joes, but yes guys are taking advantage of the cap drastically raising the past 2 years. These guys are borderline stars at worst

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31 minutes ago, CS85 said:

 

Why are people whey are people so up in arms over the Player's Tribune? Every time a player piece comes out some salty reporter gets in his feelings about it.

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59 minutes ago, dfwabel said:

 

More like ?, Utah. If this had happened 5 hours ago when the news leaked like it should have, I would've at least accepted it. But he drags it out all afternoon just so he can write a blog and save some PR face, handcuffing Utah's chances to at least try to fill the void? Sorry, I'm not buying it.

 

 

56 minutes ago, FinsUp1214 said:

There it goes.

 

https://theplayerstribune.com/gordon-hayward-decision-free-agency-nba/

 

 

Best of luck to him and no hard feelings. I'll gladly applaud him when he comes back to the Vivint.

 

Dang it if this doesn't sting like hell though. This is the kind of stuff that time and again make being a lifelong Jazz fan extremely hard. Worth it, but hard.

 

As for going forward, well, I don't know what options there are that's going to make this up in Free Agency. This is a devastating setback in the team's progress, which I fully believed was still on its way up. It's going to be a long few seasons now. 

 

I have hard feelings and will for a while. Utah literally did everything right up to trading for Ricky Rubio, and yet he still spurned them. What for? To not have to play Golden State until the Finals if LeBron goes west next year? To not have to deal with the Northwest Division? To be with his college coach? OK. That sounds like someone who's looking to take the easy way out and get publicity for it because heaven forbid big companies don't want to endorse someone playing for the Utah Jazz.

 

Just as the Jazz get good, it seems like the universe itself finds a way to crush their hopes. This time, it's the westward migration of talent. Of course it had to happen the year Utah won a playoff series. Of course.

 

But, I still have hope, as it's Rudy Gobert's team, and I trust Dennis Lindsey, Quin Snyder, and the ownership to work around this. Not that a certain former player gave them time to. Even Paul George and CP3 did that for Indiana. What strange times we live in.

 

 

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45 minutes ago, DustDevil61 said:

 

More like ?, Utah. If this had happened 5 hours ago when the news leaked like it should have, I would've at least accepted it. But he drags it out all afternoon just so he can write a blog and save some PR face, handcuffing Utah's chances to at least try to fill the void? Sorry, I'm not buying it.

 

 

 

I have hard feelings and will for a while. Utah literally did everything right up to trading for Ricky Rubio, and yet he still spurned them. What for? To not have to play Golden State until the Finals if LeBron goes west next year? To not have to deal with the Northwest Division? To be with his college coach? OK. That sounds like someone who's looking to take the easy way out and get publicity for it because heaven forbid big companies don't want to endorse someone playing for the Utah Jazz.

 

Just as the Jazz get good, it seems like the universe itself finds a way to crush their hopes. This time, it's the westward migration of talent. Of course it had to happen the year Utah won a playoff series. Of course.

 

But, I still have hope, as it's Rudy Gobert's team, and I trust Dennis Lindsey, Quin Snyder, and the ownership to work around this. Not that a certain former player gave them time to. Even Paul George and CP3 did that for Indiana. What strange times we live in.

 

 

I'm sure there are a lot of moves the jazz could have made in the 5 hours it took him to write that letter and get it looked over and edited by his agent and PR people.

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15 minutes ago, ozzyman314 said:

Celtics saying Bye-bye to Olynyk to make space for Hayward.

Hey, hey, you are back homer.

 

When is the next C's banner going to be raised?

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Bill Simmons has done several deep dives on Hayward in the past, pointing to two specific contributing factors as to why he would leave Utah:

1. The Brad Stevens connection

2. The Jazz didn't make an offer when Hayward was an RFA in 2014, and only matched an offer sheet from Charlotte

 

But it still really sucks for Utah. They were on the precipice and it has to feel like they're just starting over again.

 

Good on Boston for finally doing something. While I don't think Hayward moves the needle the same way Butler or George do, he's still a reliable 20 PPG they didn't have last year. The trade deadline should be very interesting this year; Boston's got a good team and still has a ton of assets to make a real run at it.

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1 hour ago, DG_Now said:

But it still really sucks for Utah. They were on the precipice and it has to feel like they're just starting over again.

 

That's exactly what it feels like. It's pretty devastating as a fan to see your team go through their own process, suck year after year, then finally bear fruit and be on their way to to reaching another tier, only to then get knocked all the way back down to nearly square one before we even had a chance to see it really become something. This sucks on a whole new level, especially when there is no way to make up for it in the immediate future. We're pretty much hanging left to dry at this point.

 

The saving grace is we can fall back on Rudy, Rubio, Hood, Ingles, etc. And Dennis Lindsey, The Millers, Quin Snyder and company have been absolutely phenomenal at piecing together what we had and trust they can figure something out. But there's no denying that this is still a very, very poor spot to be in. It feels like it's going to be a long while before we get to taste what we tasted last year again.

 

And I'm still not mad at Hayward. Even despite the awful handling of the situation, I just can't bring myself to be. He was nothing but great to fans and the community his whole time here, and I do truly wish him the best. What I'm upset at and dejected about is solely the team's terribly bleak situation now and going forward. It was so exciting to see this team finally become something against a lot of odds, and before we even got a chance to enjoy it, it's gone. It just sucks, and is a huge blow.

 

 

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7 hours ago, Lee Noire said:

Why are people whey are people so up in arms over the Player's Tribune? Every time a player piece comes out some salty reporter gets in his feelings about it.

 

Honestly? I don't really think the PT has ever really helped a free agency situation where a guy leaves. All it's really done is stoked the flames and pissed off spurned fans even more. Fans of teams who lose star players don't need to hear this crap about how "Y'all mean the world to me, you REALLY do, but I'm Audi 5000 for a less sh***y place to live and work, yo!". It just insults their intelligence and really doesn't fool anyone. Howabout a simple "I thank them for their time, and look forward to my new city and team" At their new unveiling press conference like it used to be. 

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5 hours ago, Bucfan56 said:

 

Honestly? I don't really think the PT has ever really helped a free agency situation where a guy leaves. All it's really done is stoked the flames and pissed off spurned fans even more. Fans of teams who lose star players don't need to hear this crap about how "Y'all mean the world to me, you REALLY do, but I'm Audi 5000 for a less sh***y place to live and work, yo!". It just insults their intelligence and really doesn't fool anyone. Howabout a simple "I thank them for their time, and look forward to my new city and team" At their new unveiling press conference like it used to be. 

 

 

I think the issue with Heyward was that it was fairly obvious Hayward made his decision days, if not weeks ago, and was putting out false stories about not being able to make up his mind in order to finalize the wording of his ghost-written farewell piece.

 

The problem with Players Tribune is that it's decaying into a PR zone for athletes instead of a candid, revealing "in their own words" museum.  Hayward's agent likely brokered this, no doubt encouraged by Durant and others who have done the same, to help assuage fans of the Utah franchise who may have been on the fence about burning their Hayward jerseys.  

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54 minutes ago, CS85 said:

The problem with Players Tribune is that it's decaying into a PR zone for athletes instead of a candid, revealing "in their own words" museum.  Hayward's agent likely brokered this, no doubt encouraged by Durant and others who have done the same, to help assuage fans of the Utah franchise who may have been on the fence about burning their Hayward jerseys.  

 

Well, that's pretty much what I'm saying. But it seems that instead of calming people down, it kind of works to just piss people off even more. It's like breaking up with someone you've been with for awhile, and who wants to continue to be with you, because you'd rather date someone better looking and more exciting. Giving them a whole long "It's not you, it's me" speech isn't gonna ease the pain of knowing you're being dropped for someone else, and usually just makes it all even worse. 

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13 hours ago, CS85 said:

 

 

13 hours ago, DustDevil61 said:

 

More like ?, Utah. If this had happened 5 hours ago when the news leaked like it should have, I would've at least accepted it. But he drags it out all afternoon just so he can write a blog and save some PR face, handcuffing Utah's chances to at least try to fill the void? Sorry, I'm not buying it....

 

Or could've it have been that he initially made his decision, wrote the piece but before he released it was still so conflicted/unsure of his choice that he didn't but made peace with his choice and released the piece coincidentally?

(Think about it like writing a tough, risky, bold email to someone and hesistating to push the send button before you actually send it)

 

We are just fans watching sports, a leisure and form of entertainment. One can not assume another person's intentions. Hayward is still human and has the right to be conflicted and might have been. It's a bit emotional (and a tad bit irrational) to assume ill intent on his part because the final result is the less than desired result for some. Hey, at least he didn't do an 1 hour special to announcehe was leaving.

 

Btw, what's the point of these Players Tribune pieces? Like said prior, nothing is wrong with a simple announcement. All these article/letter, boys and girls club announcement like stunts are seem unnecessarily attention seeking and should be done away with.

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