Stadium/Arena Saga Omnibus

[kolob]

I'll actually be right by Angel Stadium this weekend, I'm curious now to see how big the location is in person with this perspective. 

 

Even with that said ... I just don't see Disney really wanting to build right by the freeway unless it was more shopping, hotels and restaurants. 

[The_Admiral]

The Angel Stadium property, parking lots and all, seems to be about 160 acres as per Google Maps. (Wrigley Field is about 10.5, if you were wondering.)

[pmoehrin]

23 minutes ago, kimball said:

Even with that said ... I just don't see Disney really wanting to build right by the freeway unless it was more shopping, hotels and restaurants. 

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That's how I would recommend using the land if I were in Disney's shoes.

 

If they were going to incorporate the park with that land, my guess is they would have done it when they owned the Angels. Instead, they operated them as separate entities, and I would assume there were good reasons for that.

 

They would probably have to buy up a lot of the surrounding land to use it as a theme park, but that doesn't mean there aren't at least half a dozen other potential projects for the area that Disney could utilize in conjunction with the park.

[LMU]

The property is definitely big enough for a third park.  The distance and that a freeway separates it from the other parks significantly complicates that.  Not sure if CalTrans would allow a monorail to go over the 5.

 

[Still MIGHTY]

16 minutes ago, kimball said:

I'll actually be right by Angel Stadium this weekend, I'm curious now to see how big the location is in person with this perspective. 

 

Even with that said ... I just don't see Disney really wanting to build right by the freeway unless it was more shopping, hotels and restaurants. 

 

The Disneyland property literally backs up against the 5 freeway.

 

13 hours ago, Bucfan56 said:

This might make that Angels Stadium property even more valuable, though. Especially with the fairly recent addition of the Star Wars properties and licenses. 

 

Except that Disneyland opens Star Wars Land (*ahem* Star Wars: Galaxy's Edge) this June. Already done. Would've been a fine idea, otherwise. Get on a "space" shuttle to go to the "other planet" that is the separate park. (Although, the logistics, ugh. Think about loading these shuttles at night's end, then having to get on the parking lot tram, and then driving out. Yikes.)

 

Anyways, all in all, sure there is probably more money to be had by selling the land potentially to Disney. However, I would think there'd be a greater loss to the "caché" that Anaheim has at present. Anaheim already has Disney as a main attraction, but if you lose Major League Baseball and just add more Disney, that doesn't really do anything for the city's profile. If anything, it does lower it that notch of being another town that lost a big league team (See: St. Louis, NFL).

 

Anaheim's priority, and the Angels' too, I think, are to keep the Angels in Anaheim.

[SFGiants58]

1 minute ago, Still MIGHTY said:

 

Anyways, all in all, sure there is probably more money to be had by selling the land potentially to Disney. However, I would think there'd be a greater loss to the "caché" that Anaheim has at present. Anaheim already has Disney as a main attraction, but if you lose Major League Baseball and just add more Disney, that doesn't really do anything for the city's profile. If anything, it does lower it that notch of being another town that lost a big league team (See: St. Louis, NFL).

 

Anaheim's priority, and the Angels' too, I think, are to keep the Angels in Anaheim.

 

I would agree. Theseus’ Ship the stadium a bit more, while also forcing the team to re-adopt the “Anaheim” city name. Force an end to Arte’s obsession with trying to extent beyond the Orange Curtain. It is, after all, the Anaheim  Angels who won it all in 2002, while the Los Angeles Angels’ big claim to fame is wasting Mike Trout’s early career.

[The_Admiral]

I don't think it would hurt Anaheim's reputation if the Angels were to leave, but I also don't think there's anywhere better for them to go. Do you think they could wind up building a new stadium in the parking lot if the old bones of Anaheim Stadium are deemed to be beyond help? You look at a satellite view of the region and there really aren't many >100-acre lots waiting to be developed.

[Still MIGHTY]

5 minutes ago, the admiral said:

I don't think it would hurt Anaheim's reputation if the Angels were to leave, but I also don't think there's anywhere better for them to go. Do you think they could wind up building a new stadium in the parking lot if the old bones of Anaheim Stadium are deemed to be beyond help? You look at a satellite view of the region and there really aren't many >100-acre lots waiting to be developed.

 

Back in days between the failed NFL expansion of 2002 and the return of the Rams/Raiders/Chargers, there was a nascent plan to try and build a football stadium on the Angels parking lot. So it's indeed an option. (Although, less of an option if they fill the parking lot with developed retail/restaurant space.) I don't think its an option for this go-around of negotiations, but it could be an avenue in the not so far future.

 

It's not like the "old bones" of the stadium are crumbling or anything. The foundations are sound. However, any major renovation would be the third such major renovation in the stadium's 53-year history. (Enclosing for the Rams in the late 70s, Opening up back up in the late 90s.) There's only so many times you can dress up/down a stadium.

 

The issue, of course, would be funding. And this is California. And everyone here sees what Kroenke is doing in Inglewood. So unless Arte goes for it on his own dime (HA!) the foundation of Angel Stadium will stay where it stands.

[kolob]

2 hours ago, Still MIGHTY said:

 

The Disneyland property literally backs up against the 5 freeway.

 

 

Oh, duh. I completely forgot about that.

[pmoehrin]

2 hours ago, the admiral said:

I don't think it would hurt Anaheim's reputation if the Angels were to leave, but I also don't think there's anywhere better for them to go. Do you think they could wind up building a new stadium in the parking lot if the old bones of Anaheim Stadium are deemed to be beyond help? You look at a satellite view of the region and there really aren't many >100-acre lots waiting to be developed.

 

Probably at least a decent chance of that happening.

 

Location wise there’s nothing wrong with where the Angels are right now. That alone makes their situation drastically different from what the Rays and A’s are going through.

 

Staying put is also the cheapest realistic option, and therefore probably the most likely scenario.

 

I think Long Beach could work. It’s just going to have a very expensive price tag attached to it, which I think the Angels will balk over.

[Digby]

Could they have the best of both worlds, e.g. fund a stadium renovation by subleasing or selling part of the parking lot to create the SoCal's next generic high-end outdoor mall?

[Gothamite]

21 hours ago, Digby said:

Could they have the best of both worlds, e.g. fund a stadium renovation by subleasing or selling part of the parking lot to create the SoCal's next generic high-end outdoor mall?

 

No.  Parking lots are far too lucrative for anyone to deliberately get rid of one.  Especially in LA. 

[The_Admiral]

On 3/1/2019 at 8:34 AM, Digby said:

Could they have the best of both worlds, e.g. fund a stadium renovation by subleasing or selling part of the parking lot to create the SoCal's next generic high-end outdoor mall?

Angel Place! With the ABC Scene, where you can eat microwaved Totino's Pizza Rolls while watching classic Urkel.

[pmoehrin]

On 3/1/2019 at 9:34 AM, Digby said:

Could they have the best of both worlds, e.g. fund a stadium renovation by subleasing or selling part of the parking lot to create the SoCal's next generic high-end outdoor mall?

 

You would be trading in the biggest pro of staying in Anaheim has over Long Beach which is land.

 

I would also agree with Gothamite’s assement that the land has more value to the Angels as a parking lot than any potential development.

[Cosmic]

1 hour ago, the admiral said:

Angel Place! With the ABC Scene, where you can eat microwaved Totino's Pizza Rolls while watching classic Urkel.

ABC-themed restaurant? It's been done.

 

https://yesterland.com/soapopera.html

[The_Admiral]

 

I don't know why anyone here would waste time watching old episodes of The Bob Newhart Show when clearly the thing to do is re-enact The Battleship Potemkin

[Digby]

I think they rebranded it! To like the CBS Sports Grill or something like that. Try the Gumbelburger.

 

Your choices are limited now because Tony Keith’s Bar and Grill, famous for being the source of the most DUIs in the Commonwealth, has recently closed.

 

And yes, Patriot Place is horrid, nothing but an outdoor mall with a couple generic stores that counts as “going out” for rural M:censored:s with no taste. But it seems like a reasonable use of space when there’s plenty more room to park for those days a year. I know the Angels play more frequently than the Patriots but I would’ve guessed they could sacrifice some of that gigantic sea of parking for another SoCal mall.

[Still MIGHTY]

On 3/3/2019 at 6:30 AM, Digby said:

I think they rebranded it! To like the CBS Sports Grill or something like that. Try the Gumbelburger.

 

Your choices are limited now because Tony Keith’s Bar and Grill, famous for being the source of the most DUIs in the Commonwealth, has recently closed.

 

And yes, Patriot Place is horrid, nothing but an outdoor mall with a couple generic stores that counts as “going out” for rural M:censored:s with no taste. But it seems like a reasonable use of space when there’s plenty more room to park for those days a year. I know the Angels play more frequently than the Patriots but I would’ve guessed they could sacrifice some of that gigantic sea of parking for another SoCal mall.

 

It's Southern California. Parking is literally the last thing we would sacrifice. Especially for another goddamned mall. (Which... would need parking.)

[tp49]

14 minutes ago, Still MIGHTY said:

 

It's Southern California. Parking is literally the last thing we would sacrifice. Especially for another goddamned mall. (Which... would need parking.)

There's also a mall less than a mile away.  While we can debate its quality it's still there.

[LMU]

You already have the Promenade the other side of Honda Center on Katella, the Outlets at Orange, the Village at Orange, and the Garden Walk. They don’t need another mall right in the parking lot. This isn’t Glendale. Angel fans can manage just fine without a Johnny Rockets and a Margaritaville.