Stadium/Arena Saga Omnibus

[spartacat_12]

10 minutes ago, TBGKon said:

While it may be a fixed roof, I believe they're going to have the Vikings type of ETFE roof, which is transparent, lightweight, and durable material.  There's also being thought that it will have some wall panels that can open up on the sides to allow some of the outside in, while still remaining covered.

 

I'm sure it will be an improvement, but I guess I'm just a traditionalist who thinks that baseball should be played outside as much as possible. I've also seen firsthand the difference it makes at Jays' games when the roof is open compared to when it's closed.

[BBTV]

1 hour ago, TBGKon said:

If the goal is to include a Battery Atlanta style district, St Petersburg may be the only option.  I don't believe that any of the currently considered sites on the Tampa side would allow for that.

 

And I just don't understand why a place that's allegedly so bad to drive to will become a place that people will attract people to live.  Location, location, location.  I currently commute about 90mins each way to work (30 miles via transit or car with traffic) but most people aren't like me and want to live that far away from their job, and I'm assuming most people's job isn't near the stadium (or it'd be easier for them to go to games.)

 

This just sounds like doubling down (actually, tripling down) on existing issues.

[TBGKon]

1 hour ago, spartacat_12 said:

 

I'm sure it will be an improvement, but I guess I'm just a traditionalist who thinks that baseball should be played outside as much as possible. I've also seen firsthand the difference it makes at Jays' games when the roof is open compared to when it's closed.

Your opinion is valid.  I just know that if Tampa Bay (and Miami for that matter) didn't have a roof, you would have an excessive amount of rain delays/postponements between June and September.

[dont care]

Just now, TBGKon said:

Your opinion is valid.  I just know that if Tampa Bay (and Miami for that matter) didn't have a roof, you would have an excessive amount of rain delays/postponements between June and September.

And then the days it weren’t raining would be miserable to sit through as a fan. Having natural light with a climate controlled environment is the best solution. I’m thinking something like SoFi Stadiums roof will be the end result.

[McCall]

2 hours ago, spartacat_12 said:

 

I'm sure it will be an improvement, but I guess I'm just a traditionalist who thinks that baseball should be played outside as much as possible. I've also seen firsthand the difference it makes at Jays' games when the roof is open compared to when it's closed.

That's Toronto, not Florida in the summer.

[GDAWG]

2 hours ago, spartacat_12 said:

 

I'm sure it will be an improvement, but I guess I'm just a traditionalist who thinks that baseball should be played outside as much as possible. I've also seen firsthand the difference it makes at Jays' games when the roof is open compared to when it's closed.

 

The reason the Rangers are playing in a Costco Warehouse is because they want 40,000+ fans in attendance for all 81 games whether it's night or day.  They couldn't do that with their old ballpark (which is now a football/soccer stadium for MLS Next Pro North Texas SC, XFL Arlington Renegades and Major League Rugby's Dallas Jackals) because nobody wants to attend a Rangers game when the average temperature on a weekday afternoon in June, July and August is 102.  Even when the Rangers were winning, nobody was in attendance at day games.  

[GDAWG]

[TrueYankee26]

Rays: I would have preferred Tampa but at least they are staying in Tampa Bay. Hopefully the stadium does not age horribly like the Trop.

 

Brewers: As I said earlier, I never saw them moving from Milwaukee.

 

Happy for both Rays and Brewers fans

[Dilbert]

4 hours ago, TBGKon said:

While it may be a fixed roof, I believe they're going to have the Vikings type of ETFE roof, which is transparent, lightweight, and durable material. 

In 1965 at the new Astrodome, players complained of having issues seeing the ball and glare with the transparent roof, so they painted it, killing the grass and thus gave us astroturf. While the Rays wont have an issue with a dead playing surface, how are they gonna solve the glare issue?

[BBTV]

1 hour ago, GDAWG said:

 

So it's a renovation deal, not a new stadium?  

[BBTV]

2 hours ago, GDAWG said:

they want 40,000+ fans in attendance for all 81 games whether it's night or day.  They couldn't do that with their old ballpark

 

Well that's not really working out for them, as they've averaged around 25k in the first two full years of the park, and 31k this year despite being pretty good.

 

Regarding the old ballpark, WHY DID THEY APPROVE THE DESIGN?  It should be illegal to approve a design, get a park built, then complain that people can't enjoy the park because of the design that THEY CAME UP WITH AND APPROVED, then ask for more money to build a new billion-dollar Costco to play in.

 

I'm no engineer, but I have to believe that there's a way to build stadiums in ways that shade is provided, whether fixed, or with giant-moving arms (like Mr. Burns' sun blocker).  Hell - we're spending $2B on these things, what's the difference?

 

EDIT: their attendance at the new park has actually dropped from the around the last 10 (maybe more) seasons of the old one, so they can screw themselves.

 

https://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/TEX/attend.shtml

 

 

Year	Tm	Lg	W	L	Finish	Playoffs	Attendance	Attend/G	Rank	Est. Payroll	PPF	BPF	Stadium
2023	Texas Rangers	AL West	82	67	2		2,342,790	31,237	7th of 15	$248,537,867	102	103	Globe Life Field
2022	Texas Rangers	AL West	68	94	4		2,011,361	24,832	7th of 15	$120,176,667	101	101	Globe Life Field
2021	Texas Rangers	AL West	60	102	5		2,110,258	26,053	1st of 15	$67,890,999	102	100	Globe Life Field
2020	Texas Rangers	AL West	22	38	5				14th of 15	$122,326,667	101	99	Globe Life Field
2019	Texas Rangers	AL West	78	84	3		2,132,994	26,333	6th of 15	$104,433,499	112	111	Globe Life Park in Arlington
2018	Texas Rangers	AL West	67	95	5		2,107,107	26,014	7th of 15	$106,099,628	111	110	Globe Life Park in Arlington
2017	Texas Rangers	AL West	78	84	3		2,507,760	30,960	5th of 15	$207,326,274	110	110	Globe Life Park in Arlington
2016	Texas Rangers	AL West	95	67	1	Lost ALDS (3-0)	2,710,402	33,462	5th of 15	$212,117,760	108	107	Globe Life Park in Arlington
2015	Texas Rangers	AL West	88	74	1	Lost ALDS (3-2)	2,491,875	30,764	7th of 15	$178,860,789	105	105	Globe Life Park in Arlington
2014	Texas Rangers	AL West	67	95	5		2,718,733	33,565	5th of 15	$129,801,239	104	104	Globe Life Park in Arlington
2013	Texas Rangers	AL West	91	72	2		3,178,273	38,759	2nd of 15	$139,261,200	103	103	Rangers Ballpark in Arlington
2012	Texas Rangers	AL West	93	69	2	Lost ALWC (1-0)	3,460,280	42,720	2nd of 14	$124,119,900	107	109	Rangers Ballpark in Arlington
2011	Texas Rangers	AL West	96	66	1	Lost WS (4-3)	2,946,949	36,382	5th of 14	$93,799,264	108	109	Rangers Ballpark in Arlington
2010	Texas Rangers	AL West	90	72	1	Lost WS (4-1)	2,505,171	30,928	5th of 14	$56,474,374	108	109	Rangers Ballpark in Arlington
2009	Texas Rangers	AL West	87	75	2		2,156,016	26,617	8th of 14	$79,723,548	104	104	Rangers Ballpark in Arlington
2008	Texas Rangers	AL West	79	83	2		1,945,677	24,021	11th of 14	$68,037,326	102	101	Rangers Ballpark in Arlington

 

[spartacat_12]

2 hours ago, GDAWG said:

The reason the Rangers are playing in a Costco Warehouse is because they want 40,000+ fans in attendance for all 81 games whether it's night or day.  They couldn't do that with their old ballpark (which is now a football/soccer stadium for MLS Next Pro North Texas SC, XFL Arlington Renegades and Major League Rugby's Dallas Jackals) because nobody wants to attend a Rangers game when the average temperature on a weekday afternoon in June, July and August is 102.  Even when the Rangers were winning, nobody was in attendance at day games.  

The Rangers didn’t build a fixed roof dome though. They built a retractable roof, just like Houston, Arizona, and Miami. 

[BBTV]

10 minutes ago, spartacat_12 said:

The Rangers didn’t build a fixed roof dome though. They built a retractable roof, just like Houston, Arizona, and Miami. 

 

Good thing they spent the extra money to make it retractable!!

 

 

Idiots.

[TBGKon]

1 hour ago, Dilbert said:

In 1965 at the new Astrodome, players complained of having issues seeing the ball and glare with the transparent roof, so they painted it, killing the grass and thus gave us astroturf. While the Rays wont have an issue with a dead playing surface, how are they gonna solve the glare issue?

Not sure, everything so far is just speculation.  I do know that the University of Minnesota baseball team uses US Bank for their early season home games and I haven't heard of a glare issue there.   It's possible part of the roof can be strategically shielded like the half of US Bank Stadium's roof is.

 

I guess we'll find out more soon enough.

 

[TBGKon]

 

[BBTV]

Just do this:

 

[Sec19Row53]

2 hours ago, BBTV said:

 

So it's a renovation deal, not a new stadium?  

Upkeep/remodeling/maintenance, not a new stadium.

[The_Admiral]

3 hours ago, BBTV said:

WHY DID THEY APPROVE THE DESIGN?  It should be illegal to approve a design, get a park built, then complain that people can't enjoy the park because of the design that THEY CAME UP WITH AND APPROVED, then ask for more money to build a new billion-dollar Costco to play in.

 

Bear Down, Chicago Bears...

[GDAWG]

3 hours ago, BBTV said:

 

Well that's not really working out for them, as they've averaged around 25k in the first two full years of the park, and 31k this year despite being pretty good.

 

Regarding the old ballpark, WHY DID THEY APPROVE THE DESIGN?  It should be illegal to approve a design, get a park built, then complain that people can't enjoy the park because of the design that THEY CAME UP WITH AND APPROVED, then ask for more money to build a new billion-dollar Costco to play in.

 

I'm no engineer, but I have to believe that there's a way to build stadiums in ways that shade is provided, whether fixed, or with giant-moving arms (like Mr. Burns' sun blocker).  Hell - we're spending $2B on these things, what's the difference?

 

EDIT: their attendance at the new park has actually dropped from the around the last 10 (maybe more) seasons of the old one, so they can screw themselves.

 

https://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/TEX/attend.shtml

 

 

Year	Tm	Lg	W	L	Finish	Playoffs	Attendance	Attend/G	Rank	Est. Payroll	PPF	BPF	Stadium
2023	Texas Rangers	AL West	82	67	2		2,342,790	31,237	7th of 15	$248,537,867	102	103	Globe Life Field
2022	Texas Rangers	AL West	68	94	4		2,011,361	24,832	7th of 15	$120,176,667	101	101	Globe Life Field
2021	Texas Rangers	AL West	60	102	5		2,110,258	26,053	1st of 15	$67,890,999	102	100	Globe Life Field
2020	Texas Rangers	AL West	22	38	5				14th of 15	$122,326,667	101	99	Globe Life Field
2019	Texas Rangers	AL West	78	84	3		2,132,994	26,333	6th of 15	$104,433,499	112	111	Globe Life Park in Arlington
2018	Texas Rangers	AL West	67	95	5		2,107,107	26,014	7th of 15	$106,099,628	111	110	Globe Life Park in Arlington
2017	Texas Rangers	AL West	78	84	3		2,507,760	30,960	5th of 15	$207,326,274	110	110	Globe Life Park in Arlington
2016	Texas Rangers	AL West	95	67	1	Lost ALDS (3-0)	2,710,402	33,462	5th of 15	$212,117,760	108	107	Globe Life Park in Arlington
2015	Texas Rangers	AL West	88	74	1	Lost ALDS (3-2)	2,491,875	30,764	7th of 15	$178,860,789	105	105	Globe Life Park in Arlington
2014	Texas Rangers	AL West	67	95	5		2,718,733	33,565	5th of 15	$129,801,239	104	104	Globe Life Park in Arlington
2013	Texas Rangers	AL West	91	72	2		3,178,273	38,759	2nd of 15	$139,261,200	103	103	Rangers Ballpark in Arlington
2012	Texas Rangers	AL West	93	69	2	Lost ALWC (1-0)	3,460,280	42,720	2nd of 14	$124,119,900	107	109	Rangers Ballpark in Arlington
2011	Texas Rangers	AL West	96	66	1	Lost WS (4-3)	2,946,949	36,382	5th of 14	$93,799,264	108	109	Rangers Ballpark in Arlington
2010	Texas Rangers	AL West	90	72	1	Lost WS (4-1)	2,505,171	30,928	5th of 14	$56,474,374	108	109	Rangers Ballpark in Arlington
2009	Texas Rangers	AL West	87	75	2		2,156,016	26,617	8th of 14	$79,723,548	104	104	Rangers Ballpark in Arlington
2008	Texas Rangers	AL West	79	83	2		1,945,677	24,021	11th of 14	$68,037,326	102	101	Rangers Ballpark in Arlington

 

 

It's the same city that used taxpayer money to pay for the Jerry Dome across the street, so it wasn't a surprise the city of Arlington accepted.  One thing is for sure, they may have the Cowboys and Rangers, but the city of Arlington will not get the Mavericks and Stars.  

[who do you think]

Nobody. Cares. About. This. F***ing. Team.