FriedPickles Posted December 23, 2022 Share Posted December 23, 2022 40 minutes ago, BBTV said: Trevor Lawrence will never win anything significant in the NFL. I'm a million % sure about that. What makes you say that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DG_ThenNowForever Posted December 23, 2022 Share Posted December 23, 2022 10 minutes ago, JerseyJimmy said: ...oh my god, the Jags are gonna win the AFC South, aren't they I sure hope so. 2 Quote 1 hour ago, ShutUpLutz! said: and the drunken doodoobags jumping off the tops of SUV's/vans/RV's onto tables because, oh yeah, they are drunken drug abusing doodoobags Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FiddySicks Posted December 23, 2022 Share Posted December 23, 2022 16 minutes ago, JerseyJimmy said: ...oh my god, the Jags are gonna win the AFC South, aren't they If I was an AFC team I would be pretty wary of playing them if they do make the playoffs. This team reminds me a bit of the early years of those LoB Seahawks teams. Maybe somewhere around that playoff win against Washington when RGIII got hurt. They’re not quite there yet, but they have the potential to be straight up nasty in the next few years if they can retain some of these guys and really round into form. 3 Quote On 11/19/2012 at 7:23 PM, oldschoolvikings said: She’s still half convinced “Chris Creamer” is a porn site.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBTV Posted December 23, 2022 Share Posted December 23, 2022 18 minutes ago, Jamesizzo said: What makes you say that? I've watched him play. He's fine. Not special. Quote "The views expressed here are mine and do not reflect the official opinion of my employer or the organization through which the Internet was accessed." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBTV Posted December 23, 2022 Share Posted December 23, 2022 If the Jets just need a competent body to lead them for a couple of seasons while they search for a true franchise QB, Minshew is a FA and they could probably get him pretty cheaply since he just wants to play and isn’t going to cash in or cost anywhere near what an average starter would make. 1 Quote "The views expressed here are mine and do not reflect the official opinion of my employer or the organization through which the Internet was accessed." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GDAWG Posted December 23, 2022 Share Posted December 23, 2022 1 hour ago, BBTV said: If the Jets just need a competent body to lead them for a couple of seasons while they search for a true franchise QB, Minshew is a FA and they could probably get him pretty cheaply since he just wants to play and isn’t going to cash in or cost anywhere near what an average starter would make. Does the NFL think Minshew is a regular starter or do they think he's Ryan Fitzpatrick 2.0? Interest in him will likely determine that. It's quite possible that he returns to Philly for another season. This is the free agent class of QBs: 2023 NFL Free Agents Tracker | Spotrac it will be interesting to see where he ranks and how much interest they have for him. He could end up as one of the better free agent QBs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DG_ThenNowForever Posted December 23, 2022 Share Posted December 23, 2022 Lamar Jackson is making $2M? No wonder he's so pissed. Quote 1 hour ago, ShutUpLutz! said: and the drunken doodoobags jumping off the tops of SUV's/vans/RV's onto tables because, oh yeah, they are drunken drug abusing doodoobags Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cujo Posted December 23, 2022 Share Posted December 23, 2022 2 minutes ago, DG_ThenNowForever said: Lamar Jackson is making $2M? No wonder he's so pissed. Nobody forced him to sign that contract Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sec19Row53 Posted December 23, 2022 Share Posted December 23, 2022 13 minutes ago, Cujo said: Nobody forced him to sign that contract The NFL did. It's his rookie deal. take it or leave it. He has no agent, or he'd have a new contract already. 1 Quote It's where I sit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBTV Posted December 23, 2022 Share Posted December 23, 2022 1 hour ago, GDAWG said: Does the NFL think Minshew is a regular starter or do they think he's Ryan Fitzpatrick 2.0? Interest in him will likely determine that. It's quite possible that he returns to Philly for another season. This is the free agent class of QBs: 2023 NFL Free Agents Tracker | Spotrac it will be interesting to see where he ranks and how much interest they have for him. He could end up as one of the better free agent QBs. the eagles will overpay for a solid backup. They fully believe that you need two starting QBs. But Minshew wants to start and will take less just for the opportunity. He’s no franchise guy - more of a Fitzpatrick “keep the seat warm while the next guy develops” guy. But you can make a lot of money and have a great career as that guy. He’ll be a starter somewhere, probably on a very low contract with some incentives. He’s a low-risk guy for a team that simply needs a body and isn’t going to splurge on the wrong person just for the hell of it. Quote "The views expressed here are mine and do not reflect the official opinion of my employer or the organization through which the Internet was accessed." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dont care Posted December 23, 2022 Share Posted December 23, 2022 41 minutes ago, Sec19Row53 said: The NFL did. It's his rookie deal. take it or leave it. He has no agent, or he'd have a new contract already. Him not signing an agent is his fault Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sec19Row53 Posted December 23, 2022 Share Posted December 23, 2022 42 minutes ago, dont care said: Him not signing an agent is his fault Agreed - but the contract that he is currently playing under is his rookie deal. AN agent can't really get much more for him on THAT contract. NOW he needs an agent. Actually, he needed one at the point that he could begin to re-negotiate. 1 Quote It's where I sit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Admiral Posted December 23, 2022 Share Posted December 23, 2022 How is Jackson still on a rookie contract? He's been around for like five or six years now. Aren't term and salary all standard on these? Quote ♫ oh yeah, board goes on, long after the thrill of postin' is gone ♫ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sec19Row53 Posted December 23, 2022 Share Posted December 23, 2022 2 minutes ago, the admiral said: How is Jackson still on a rookie contract? He's been around for like five or six years now. Aren't term and salary all standard on these? First round picks have 4-year deals (required). The team can pick up his 5th year "option". Then they're subject to the franchise tag. This is his 5th season. Quote It's where I sit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Admiral Posted December 23, 2022 Share Posted December 23, 2022 Okay, I was under the mistaken impression that rookie contracts were only three years. Five years is a long time to be cost-controlled in a league where money flows as freely as it does here. Quote ♫ oh yeah, board goes on, long after the thrill of postin' is gone ♫ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sec19Row53 Posted December 23, 2022 Share Posted December 23, 2022 9 minutes ago, the admiral said: Okay, I was under the mistaken impression that rookie contracts were only three years. Five years is a long time to be cost-controlled in a league where money flows as freely as it does here. After the first round, they're only three years. Undrafted free agents are whatever they get, which is why a player is better off being undrafted than selected in the 7th round. They can choose their team based on actual opportunity and not be locked into a set contract. 1 Quote It's where I sit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBTV Posted December 23, 2022 Share Posted December 23, 2022 I just found this article from Leigh Steinberg about rookie contracts. It's pretty interesting, and indicates that there is negotiating that can take place and it's not as simple as a slotting system. https://touchdownwire.usatoday.com/2020/06/01/leigh-steinberg-explaining-the-nfl-system-of-rookie-contracts/ "Incentives are largely nonexistent in rookie contracts today, because the reward counts immediately against the cap — even if the bonus threshold is never achieved and paid. The total cap number of all drafted rookies must add up to the salary cap number for rookies overall. Creativity and structural advantages can still come into rookie cap negotiations in a variety of ways. Payment of the signing bonus is one area of negotiability. Teams want to spread payments out over several years to retain use of cash. Owners also prefer to make bonus payments at times when revenue comes to them. Players would rather have the fastest payout. My business partner, Chris Cabott, has been aggressive in trying to create timely payouts for clients. The tax rate in the state where a player resides may be lower than the one where he plays his home games. California has a maximum state tax rate of 13.3% while states such as Texas, Washington, Florida and Nevada have no state income tax. Bonuses paid in the current year to a resident of a state without income tax do not have state tax taken from them. Bonus money paid in the following years would be taxed if the team plays in a state with income tax." I can't imagine why anyone wouldn't want a reputable agent to represent them. Even if the player has a law degree, do they really want to be having those discussions with team management while also trying to prepare for games during the season? And if they employ people to help out with that, isn't that similar to having an agent? Quote "The views expressed here are mine and do not reflect the official opinion of my employer or the organization through which the Internet was accessed." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBTV Posted December 23, 2022 Share Posted December 23, 2022 Here's another good one that explains the years and options part of it. https://thesportsrush.com/nfl-news-nfl-rookie-contracts-how-do-rookie-contracts-work-in-the-nfl-after-justin-fields-signs-his-new-rookie-contract-with-the-chicago-bears/ Basically, all rookie contracts - regardless of round - are 4 year deals. After year 3, teams can exercise an option for a 5th year on their 1st-round picks. But that decision has to be made after year 3, otherwise they become FAs after year 4. Typically, it's around that time when a team knows whether or not they're going to give a guy a lucrative deal. A team will pick up the option to protect itself, then negotiate and sign the player to a long-lucrative deal before that 5th year kicks in, because then it's in the player's interest to test free agency and the team loses control (and franchising guys typically just pisses them off.) Quote "The views expressed here are mine and do not reflect the official opinion of my employer or the organization through which the Internet was accessed." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DG_ThenNowForever Posted December 23, 2022 Share Posted December 23, 2022 1 minute ago, BBTV said: Basically, all rookie contracts - regardless of round - are 4 year deals. After year 3, teams can exercise an option for a 5th year on their 1st-round picks. But that decision has to be made after year 3, otherwise they become FAs after year 4. Typically, it's around that time when a team knows whether or not they're going to give a guy a lucrative deal. A team will pick up the option to protect itself, then negotiate and sign the player to a long-lucrative deal before that 5th year kicks in, because then it's in the player's interest to test free agency and the team loses control (and franchising guys typically just pisses them off.) Josh Allen was drafted the same year as Lamar Jackson, and signed a 6-year, $250 million deal before the 2021 season. Lamar should be making that kind of money. 2 Quote 1 hour ago, ShutUpLutz! said: and the drunken doodoobags jumping off the tops of SUV's/vans/RV's onto tables because, oh yeah, they are drunken drug abusing doodoobags Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBTV Posted December 23, 2022 Share Posted December 23, 2022 5 minutes ago, DG_ThenNowForever said: Josh Allen was drafted the same year as Lamar Jackson, and signed a 6-year, $250 million deal before the 2021 season. Lamar should be making that kind of money. "Only" $150M of that is guaranteed. It was reported that Jackson turned down 6-years with $133M guaranteed, and the guarantee is the absolute only part of the contract that matters. The rest is just for cap purposes or so the agent can brag about getting the biggest deal, even though the player will never see all of it. IDK. I can see Jackson feeling like he should get a similar deal, and as an outsider, it seems like his draft position is hindering him in this case since he had a similar (if not better) resume to Allen at the time (I think... not sure.) But still, a $133M is a big guarantee, and not too far out of line with what Allen - who most people would probably take if given the choice today - got. It's at least within a window that could have been negotiated down... if he had an agent. EDIT: The "total" value of the deal Jackson turned down was also $250M, so the "only" difference is the $17M guarantee. I'm not weeping for him. https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/34566275/sources-believe-lamar-jackson-turned-baltimore-ravens-contract-offer-worth-250-million 2 Quote "The views expressed here are mine and do not reflect the official opinion of my employer or the organization through which the Internet was accessed." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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