wdm1219inpenna Posted October 14, 2006 Share Posted October 14, 2006 All this talk about 4 divisions, etc. got me to thinking about the current alignment and the 1994-97 alignment.I could never figure out why Detroit was not placed in the AL Central in 1994. Cleveland was, yet Cleveland is farther east than Detroit.Another confusion one for me is having Pittsburgh in the central and Atlanta in the east, considering Pittsburgh is father east. Is it because Atlanta is closer to Miami, and Pittsburgh is close to Cincinnati? The rivalries are ok, but geographically speaking, aren't 100% accurate (but then, in most if not all sports, they aren't 100% accurate).Bill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nwtrailtrekker Posted October 14, 2006 Share Posted October 14, 2006 it all goes back to overpopulation on the east coast. thats why we have teams in the "central" that are only a few hundred miles from the atlantic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Epiphanic Posted October 14, 2006 Share Posted October 14, 2006 With the move to the 3 division format, Detroit was slated to go to the Central and Cleveland to stay in the East. Detroit didn't want to go for whatever reason so Cleveland volunteered in a sense. The Central teams of that time (Minnesota, ChiSox, Milwaukee, and Kansas City) weren't that great at the time and Cleveland stomped all over them for a few years. nwtrailtrekker is right too. Population densities play a role. Atlanta and Pittsburgh is really a toss-up, you could argue for either and so there really isn't any incentive to move them around. I think the MLB has a pretty decent setup with the alignements with respect to geography.What is "all this talk about 4 divisions?" Where did you hear that? I doubt that the MLB is expanding nor realigning. "In the arena of logic, I fight unarmed."I tweet & tumble. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CZzyzx41 Posted October 14, 2006 Share Posted October 14, 2006 Screw that. Do it footie style. Two leagues, one division each. Teams like the Royals, Pirates and Devil Rays deserve to have "16th" next to their name instead of "5th". Maybe that kind of humiliation could move their owners to improve those teams. -DanielCheck Out My Podcast! Latest Episode 273: The Color BlinkyLatest Photo Upload: January 7, 2012 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FiddySicks Posted October 14, 2006 Share Posted October 14, 2006 Screw that. Do it footie style. Two leagues, one division each. Teams like the Royals, Pirates and Devil Rays deserve to have "16th" next to their name instead of "5th". Maybe that kind of humiliation could move their owners to improve those teams.I think thats how it was before the Wild Card. It didnt work as well as the current set up because you saw teams (Giants being one of them) who picked up 100 plus wins and still missed the playoffs. On 11/19/2012 at 7:23 PM, oldschoolvikings said: She’s still half convinced “Chris Creamer” is a porn site.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Admiral Posted October 14, 2006 Share Posted October 14, 2006 No, there was a West and East before the Central and Wild Card. Non-divisional play was around when the leagues only had eight teams each. ♫ oh yeah, board goes on, long after the thrill of postin' is gone ♫ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buildingmaint Posted October 15, 2006 Share Posted October 15, 2006 Screw that. Do it footie style. Two leagues, one division each. Teams like the Royals, Pirates and Devil Rays deserve to have "16th" next to their name instead of "5th". Maybe that kind of humiliation could move their owners to improve those teams.The Pirates owners will never ever raise the teams payroll .It makes no business sense to do that.Thier fans will fill the seats no matter what they put out there.If Pittsburgh wants to send MR C OGDEN NUTTING a message quit going to the games.Hitting him in the wallet is the only way he will notice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swiss Posted October 15, 2006 Share Posted October 15, 2006 Screw that. Do it footie style. Two leagues, one division each. Teams like the Royals, Pirates and Devil Rays deserve to have "16th" next to their name instead of "5th". Maybe that kind of humiliation could move their owners to improve those teams.I think thats how it was before the Wild Card. It didnt work as well as the current set up because you saw teams (Giants being one of them) who picked up 100 plus wins and still missed the playoffs.Ouch... that's painful remembering that season when my beloved Giants missed playoffs despite winning 100+ games. It's great to be young and a Giant! - Larry Doyle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fred T. Jane Posted October 15, 2006 Share Posted October 15, 2006 Maybe that kind of humiliation could move their owners to improve those teams.If you say so... [Croatia National Team Manager Slavan] Bilic then went on to explain how Croatia's success can partially be put down to his progressive man-management techniques. "Sometimes I lie in the bed with my players. I go to the room of Vedran Corluka and Luka Modric when I see they have a problem and I lie in bed with them and we talk for 10 minutes." Maybe Capello could try getting through to his players this way too? Although how far he'd get with Joe Cole jumping up and down on the mattress and Rooney demanding to be read his favourite page from The Very Hungry Caterpillar is open to question. --The Guardian's Fiver, 08 September 2008 Attention: In order to obtain maximum enjoyment from your stay at the CCSLC, the reader is advised that the above post may contain large amounts of sarcasm, dry humour, or statements which should not be taken in any true sort of seriousness. As a result, the above poster absolves himself of any and all blame in the event that a forum user responds to the aforementioned post without taking the previous notice into account. Thank you for your cooperation, and enjoy your stay at the CCSLC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Telemundo219 Posted October 16, 2006 Share Posted October 16, 2006 I remember and seeing on Fox Sports Net around 1997 or 98, that the MLB had an idea proposed to divide the leagues by geographical lines (I think this was around the time Tampa and Arizona were coming in). The leagues were still named American and National but it was like one league was eastern cities and the other was western cities. I think it was something like this:NationalAtlantaBaltimoreBostonChi CubsChi White SoxCincinnatiClevelandDetroitFloridaMontrealNY MetsNY YankeesPhiladelphiaPittsburghTampa BayTorontoAmericanAnaheimArizonaColoradoHoustonKansas CityLos AngelesMilwaukeeMinnesotaOaklandSt. LouisSan DiegoSan FranciscoSeattleTexasI heard about only that day then I never heard of it again. They obviously scrapped the idea. College sports as we know them are just about dead. The lid is off on all the corruption that taints just about every major program and every decision that the schools or the NCAA make is only about money, money, and more money. We'll have three 16+ team super-conferences sooner rather than later, killing much of the regional flair and traditional rivalries that make college sports unique and showing the door to any school that doesn't bring money to the table in the process. Pretty soon the smaller schools are going to have to consider forming their own sanctioning body to keep the true spirit of college sports alive because the NCAA will only get worse in it's excess from here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jkrdevil Posted October 16, 2006 Share Posted October 16, 2006 I remember and seeing on Fox Sports Net around 1997 or 98, that the MLB had an idea proposed to divide the leagues by geographical lines (I think this was around the time Tampa and Arizona were coming in). The leagues were still named American and National but it was like one league was eastern cities and the other was western cities. I think it was something like this:NationalAtlantaBaltimoreBostonChi CubsChi White SoxCincinnatiClevelandDetroitFloridaMontrealNY MetsNY YankeesPhiladelphiaPittsburghTampa BayTorontoAmericanAnaheimArizonaColoradoHoustonKansas CityLos AngelesMilwaukeeMinnesotaOaklandSt. LouisSan DiegoSan FranciscoSeattleTexasI heard about only that day then I never heard of it again. They obviously scrapped the idea.I remember that. Although I think the American and National league were switched with the east being the American League and the West being the National League. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadmanLA Posted October 16, 2006 Share Posted October 16, 2006 What was so strange was the orginal divisonal alignments, where you had both Atlanta and Cincinnati playing in the NL Western division all those years, and the Cubs and Cardinals playing in the NL East. At least the divisions in the AL were a lot more geographically correctly, except the Brewers played in AL East most of their history, while 90 miles to the south, you had the White Sox in the AL West. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EatSleepJeep Posted October 17, 2006 Share Posted October 17, 2006 Look at Texas.Dallas Cowboys: NFC EastDallas Stars: Western Conference, Pacific DivisionDallas Mavericks: Western Conference, Southwestern DivisionTexas Rangers: AL WestHouston Astros: NL CentralHouston Rockets: Western Conference, Southwestern DivisionHouston Texans: AFC SouthSan Antonio Spurs: Western Conference, Southwestern DivisionIt's a South Southwestern East West Central State near the Pacific Ocean. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mac the Knife Posted October 17, 2006 Share Posted October 17, 2006 Thing is, if they simply moved the Houston Astros to the AL Central, each league would be nice and tidy - two leagues of three divisions, each of five teams. Easy-peasy, Japanesy.So what if there's interleague play throughout the season as a result? Interleague play isn't that special anymore, and besides, you can have a nice, easily understood scheduling formula with two leagues of 15:(1) Each team plays the other four teams in its division 18 times each, for 72 games.(2) Each team plays the other ten teams (from the league's other two divisions) 6 times each, for 60 games.(3) Each team plays the five teams from a division in the other league (on a rotating basis) 6 times each (3 home, 3 away) for 30 games.Voila: 162 games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anomalied Posted October 17, 2006 Share Posted October 17, 2006 I've always liked the NFL style of alignment.NL North: Chicago, St. Louis, Milwaukee, Cincinnati NL South: Atlanta, Florida, Houston, ArizonaNL East: New York, Philadelphia, Washington, Pittsburgh NL West: Los Angeles, San Francisco, San Diego, ColoradoAL North: Chicago, Detroit, Minnesota, Cleveland AL South: Kansas City, Texas, Tampa Bay, New OrleansAL East: New York, Boston, Toronto, BaltimoreAL West: Los Angeles, Oakland, Seattle, Las VegasWill never happen, but still a fun idea... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Admiral Posted October 17, 2006 Share Posted October 17, 2006 NO. you need to have a wild card. ♫ oh yeah, board goes on, long after the thrill of postin' is gone ♫ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leopard88 Posted October 17, 2006 Share Posted October 17, 2006 Thing is, if they simply moved the Houston Astros to the AL Central, each league would be nice and tidy - two leagues of three divisions, each of five teams. Easy-peasy, Japanesy.Almost. You would need to put them in the AL West (or move another AL Central team to the AL West -- Kansas City?). The AL West is the division that currently has 4 teams, not the AL Central.Otherwise, the only flaw in your plan is that is does away with the natural interleague rivalries. Under this plan, the Yankees/Mets, Cubs/White Sox, Orioles/Nationals, etc. would only play each other every three years. Most Liked Content of the Day -- February 15, 2017, August 21, 2017, August 22, 2017 ///// Proud Winner of the CCSLC Post of the Day Award -- April 8, 2008 Originator of the Upside Down Sarcasm Smilie -- November 1, 2005 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBGKon Posted October 17, 2006 Share Posted October 17, 2006 Thing is, if they simply moved the Houston Astros to the AL Central, each league would be nice and tidy - two leagues of three divisions, each of five teams. Easy-peasy, Japanesy.So what if there's interleague play throughout the season as a result? Interleague play isn't that special anymore, and besides, you can have a nice, easily understood scheduling formula with two leagues of 15:(1) Each team plays the other four teams in its division 18 times each, for 72 games.(2) Each team plays the other ten teams (from the league's other two divisions) 6 times each, for 60 games.(3) Each team plays the five teams from a division in the other league (on a rotating basis) 6 times each (3 home, 3 away) for 30 games.Voila: 162 games.Seriously, this is the best description for schedule realignment I have seen yet. I think you meant to say "AL West" for the Astros, since they have 4 teams in the division. I like your idea for the fact that it keeps in-division games at a plus (to keep the George Steinbrenner's of the world happy, along with the media outlets). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luigi74 Posted October 17, 2006 Share Posted October 17, 2006 Thing is, if they simply moved the Houston Astros to the AL Central, each league would be nice and tidy - two leagues of three divisions, each of five teams. Easy-peasy, Japanesy.So what if there's interleague play throughout the season as a result? Interleague play isn't that special anymore, and besides, you can have a nice, easily understood scheduling formula with two leagues of 15:(1) Each team plays the other four teams in its division 18 times each, for 72 games.(2) Each team plays the other ten teams (from the league's other two divisions) 6 times each, for 60 games.(3) Each team plays the five teams from a division in the other league (on a rotating basis) 6 times each (3 home, 3 away) for 30 games.Voila: 162 games.Why not move the Brewers back to the AL where they belong, the Astros have a decent history in the NL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Admiral Posted October 17, 2006 Share Posted October 17, 2006 Because Bud Selig explicitly wanted Milwaukee back in the National League. It's not like the team just fell in there by accident. ♫ oh yeah, board goes on, long after the thrill of postin' is gone ♫ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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