gueman Posted November 27, 2006 Share Posted November 27, 2006 With the Baseball Hall of Fame ballot being sent out today, Tony Gwynn and Cal Ripken Jr. are locks.Big Mac won't get in this year. Gwynn will be named on at least 96% of the ballots. My question is will Cal be the first to be unanimous selection. I think he is deserving but I bet there will be 3 to 5 who just won't vote for him just because they want to make a name for themselves. Giving money and power to government is like giving whiskey and car keys to teenage boys. P. J. O'Rourke Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KevinMcD Posted November 27, 2006 Share Posted November 27, 2006 I will be in Cooperstown for the Ripken induction, hopefully Canseco(Verrrrrrry Unlikley) or McGwire (Possible) don't get in this year. And no Yankees, I don't want any Yankee fans storming Copperstown and taking away the glory from Cal and Gwynn. And I don't think Cal will be unamious, but I wish he was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cappital92 Posted November 27, 2006 Share Posted November 27, 2006 Ripken did what,played some extra games? Tried to act tough?When he's 55 and in a wheelchair,he'll think twice about that streak.My PicksTony GwynnMark McGuireAnd I wish Canceso,but.. http://www.wizardsxtra.com Is it the shoes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Epiphanic Posted November 27, 2006 Share Posted November 27, 2006 The vote this year will be a decent gauge on how history will look upon the steroid era. I doubt that McGwire will get in this year, but his ultimate acceptance will speak volumes to what steroids will mean to baseball. "In the arena of logic, I fight unarmed."I tweet & tumble. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KevinMcD Posted November 27, 2006 Share Posted November 27, 2006 Ripken did what,played some extra games? Tried to act tough?When he's 55 and in a wheelchair,he'll think twice about that streak..........Lets see............3184 career hits (14th all time)431 career HR (37th all time)1695 career RBI (20th all time)World Series Championship in '8319 Consecutive All Star apperences ('83-'01)2 AL MVP's ('83, '91)rookie of the year award in '822 Gold Gloves8 Silver SluggersI call that Hall of Fame worthy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hat Boy Posted November 27, 2006 Share Posted November 27, 2006 3184 career hits (14th all time)431 career HR (37th all time)1695 career RBI (20th all time)World Series Championship in '8319 Consecutive All Star apperences ('83-'01)2 AL MVP's ('83, '91)rookie of the year award in '822 Gold Gloves8 Silver SluggersI call that Hall of Fame worthyHall worthy, but not a unanimous selection as gueman suggests he should be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zer0dotcom Posted November 28, 2006 Share Posted November 28, 2006 I don't know how much I would weight All-star appearances. Mostly they are fan ballots, meaning popularity. Yes, the popular players are good, but the All-Star ballot is just a popularity contest.Mentionable for sure, but I don't think I would weigh it as heavy as performance at the plate and in the field, especially ahead of 2 AL MVP's and a ROTY. It'd be the last thing I woud mention Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brass Posted November 28, 2006 Share Posted November 28, 2006 Honestly, I think the whole selection thing is messed up to begin with. The media doesn't have the right to distingush the best of the best in sports. On 4/10/2017 at 3:05 PM, Rollins Man said: what the hell is ccslc? Â Â Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaolinaJoe Posted November 28, 2006 Share Posted November 28, 2006 There is one writer, I can't remember who, but he never votes for anyone on the first ballot. He said if Ruth and Cobb weren't unanimous worthy, no one is. "It is the soldier, not the reporter, who has given us freedom of thepress. It is the soldier, not the poet, who has given us freedom ofspeech. It is the soldier, not the campus organizer, who has given usthe freedom to demonstrate. And it is the soldier who salutes theflag, serves beneath the flag, whose coffin is draped by the flag, andwho allows the protester to burn the flag."Marine Chaplain Dennis Edward O' Brien Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pcgd Posted November 28, 2006 Share Posted November 28, 2006 Honestly, I think the whole selection thing is messed up to begin with. The media doesn't have the right to distingush the best of the best in sports.Its worked for 70+ years pretty well...Personally...I think McGwire should be in. I think he should be on the first Ballot. I think he should go in as an A and not a Cardinal.BUT, I wouldn't vote for him this year. Because Cal Ripken, Jr. and Tony Gwinn deserve it so much more, and they shouldn't have their day ruined by the debate over the alleged steroids that mcgwire might have taken. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaolinaJoe Posted November 28, 2006 Share Posted November 28, 2006 If McGwire doesn't get in, then no one whose best years were between 1996-2004 should ever get in. The only ones we DEFINITELY know who did steroids are Canseco, Caminiti, and Palmeiro, EVERYONE else is speculation. The common belief is a large percentage of players used them while baseball looked the other way, including the writers. So if you can't vote for one of the best of that era, then you can't vote for any. "It is the soldier, not the reporter, who has given us freedom of thepress. It is the soldier, not the poet, who has given us freedom ofspeech. It is the soldier, not the campus organizer, who has given usthe freedom to demonstrate. And it is the soldier who salutes theflag, serves beneath the flag, whose coffin is draped by the flag, andwho allows the protester to burn the flag."Marine Chaplain Dennis Edward O' Brien Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJTank Posted November 28, 2006 Share Posted November 28, 2006 Ripken, Gwynn and McGwire get my vote and I'm holding my nose voting for McGwire. www.sportsecyclopedia.com For the best in sports history go to the Sports E-Cyclopedia at http://www.sportsecyclopedia.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DEAD! Posted November 28, 2006 Share Posted November 28, 2006 I think it will only be Ripken and Gwynn this time around. Two classy players retiring together and going into the hall together. McGwire could be in someday. At least, then he would be willing to talk about the past I saw, I came, I left. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Epiphanic Posted November 28, 2006 Share Posted November 28, 2006 I disagree with your statement CarolinaJoe. Although McGwire never tested positive for anabolic steroids, it's no secret that he was taking Andro, which has essentially the same effect. While the ones that have tested positive shouldn't get in (the biggest tragedy is Palmeiro in my opinion), I don't think that McGwire or Bonds should get in because of the steroid scandal. We'll have to wait and see the verdict on McGwire though. The decision for him will be the watershed moment. "In the arena of logic, I fight unarmed."I tweet & tumble. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CC97 Posted November 28, 2006 Share Posted November 28, 2006 I disagree with your statement CarolinaJoe. Although McGwire never tested positive for anabolic steroids, it's no secret that he was taking Andro, which has essentially the same effect. While the ones that have tested positive shouldn't get in (the biggest tragedy is Palmeiro in my opinion), I don't think that McGwire or Bonds should get in because of the steroid scandal. We'll have to wait and see the verdict on McGwire though. The decision for him will be the watershed moment.I believe you can vote for up to 10, so if I had a vote... i would pick Gwynn, Ripken, McGwire, Canseco and Fernandez (homer pick?) --- Chris Creamer Founder/Editor, SportsLogos.Net  "The Mothership" • News • Facebook • X/Twitter • Instagram Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zoneranger Posted November 28, 2006 Share Posted November 28, 2006 Cal Ripken Jr...you gotta admire a man that goes to work everyday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EatSleepJeep Posted November 28, 2006 Share Posted November 28, 2006 Blyleven is quite deserving. Hopefully they look kindly upon his career this time around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Epiphanic Posted November 28, 2006 Share Posted November 28, 2006 I think it's pretty amazing that Blyleven isn't already in the Hall. He's...what?...5th on the all-time strikeout list? He would get one of my votes if I had one. "In the arena of logic, I fight unarmed."I tweet & tumble. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DG_ThenNowForever Posted November 28, 2006 Share Posted November 28, 2006 The complete ballot:Harold BainesAlbert BelleDante BichetteBert BlylevenBobby BonillaScott BrosiusJay BuhnerKen CaminitiJose CansecoDave ConcepcionEric DavisAndre DawsonTony FernandezSteve GarveyRich "Goose" GossageTony GwynnOrel HershiserTommy JohnWally JoynerDon MattinglyMark McGwireJack MorrisDale MurphyPaul O'NeillDave ParkerJim RiceCal Ripken Jr.Bret SaberhagenLee SmithAlan TrammellDevon WhiteBobby WittIf I had a vote, I'd vote for Gwynn, Ripken, Gossage, Rice, Smith, and Dawson. 1 hour ago, ShutUpLutz! said: and the drunken doodoobags jumping off the tops of SUV's/vans/RV's onto tables because, oh yeah, they are drunken drug abusing doodoobags Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winghaz Posted November 28, 2006 Share Posted November 28, 2006 I'd really like to hear the logic from people who don't vote for Ripken or Gwynn. If they use the argument that Babe Ruth wasn't a unanimous pick, then they should be banned from voting for the Hall simply because they're copying idiots who didn't vote for Babe Ruth.McGwire ... hmmm. If I were a voter, I'd have trouble with it. I'd probably vote for him since nothing has been proven, but I wouldn't feel great about that vote.And I would definitely circle Bert Blyleven. Look at hs stats -- he is way overdue for the Hall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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