Division 1 College Conference Realignment

[jgiff17]

Big XII schools grabbing Texas from within...tcu Baylor tech Texas outside of Texas okla okla state etc. Sec...A&M. So y'all would choose mizzou over Houston?

[McCall]

Big XII schools grabbing Texas from within...tcu Baylor tech Texas outside of Texas okla okla state etc. Sec...A&M. So y'all would choose mizzou over Houston?

Yes. Mizzou offers both Kansas City and St. Louis markets, better football and basketball programs not to mention baseball as a bonus, and better academics being an AAU school. The overall appeal is much greater than Houston.

[Lights Out]

There's apparently rumors floating around of the Big Least adding UCF, SMU, Houston, and Boise State. Did I mention that I can't stand Big Least football?

[Chawls]

As this board's resident Tulane fan, I'm excited about the rumors of Tulane being invited to the Big East or even the Big XII. Either conference is better than the irrelevant C-USA and IIRC, both potential conferences have guaranteed bowl berths. Hopefully this will help my Green Wave with recruiting and bring us back to prominence!

On a somewhat unrelated note, hearing that Tulane was originally in the running for Tyrann Mathieu, ugh, shot to the gut.

*raises hand* Um, yeah, C-USA has guaranteed bowl tie-ins too. This argument makes no sense unless you meant both conferences are BCS AQ leagues. And if that's what you meant, there's no guarantee the new Big East (aka C-USA+) would retain it's AQ status.

That's what I meant. Forgive me for not being more specific (I'm typing from my phone). As long as they have at least 8 schools, the Big East will be able to keep their AQ status.

[jgiff17]

There's apparently rumors floating around of the Big Least adding UCF, SMU, Houston, and Boise State. Did I mention that I can't stand Big Least football?

Ucf is the only one of those schools that makes since logisticallyish since it is in the east. This is why I loved the fact that tge PAC 12 turned down expansion is that the big XII is great with having tight quarters and tcu was the only correct fit. Byu is a little out there and so is louisville but there really aren't anymore choices unless they want to grab tulane or smu and Houston to push Oklahoma and Oklahoma state to the north.

[McCall]

There's apparently rumors floating around of the Big Least adding UCF, SMU, Houston, and Boise State. Did I mention that I can't stand Big Least football?

Ucf is the only one of those schools that makes since logisticallyish since it is in the east. This is why I loved the fact that tge PAC 12 turned down expansion is that the big XII is great with having tight quarters and tcu was the only correct fit. Byu is a little out there and so is louisville but there really aren't anymore choices unless they want to grab tulane or smu and Houston to push Oklahoma and Oklahoma state to the north.

Geography is not as relevant as you're making it out to be. And apparently neither is your grammar.

[DarkJourney]

The New Wild Frontier Conference:

Oregon

West Virginia

Florida State

Rutgers

Minnesota

Texas Tech

BYU

Penn State

[McCall]

The New Wild Frontier Conference:

Oregon

West Virginia

Florida State

Rutgers

Minnesota

Texas Tech

BYU

Penn State

Where's the love for Hawaii?

[jgiff17]

There's apparently rumors floating around of the Big Least adding UCF, SMU, Houston, and Boise State. Did I mention that I can't stand Big Least football?

Ucf is the only one of those schools that makes since logisticallyish since it is in the east. This is why I loved the fact that tge PAC 12 turned down expansion is that the big XII is great with having tight quarters and tcu was the only correct fit. Byu is a little out there and so is louisville but there really aren't anymore choices unless they want to grab tulane or smu and Houston to push Oklahoma and Oklahoma state to the north.

Geography is not as relevant as you're making it out to be. And apparently neither is your grammar.

O great sir I did not know these posts were being graded. I promise my essay on Monday will be much mo betta than me comments on this here message bord o great one!! Haha and on geography, I guess some people on here make that argument, as well as history a big deal when it fits into their posts and some are disconnected enough from the open road because of their fat pockets that buying a plane ticket to 4 or more away games is not a big of a deal (I'm assuming you are well off enough to pull this off). This does not include just football travel though, how about the fans, friends, and family that want to travel with the team every week in whatever sport they choose to follow? Guess you have fat enough pockets for them as well. Guess geography had nothing to do with tcu choosing one seemingly weakening conference for another esp when they could have dominated the big east every year as compared to the big XII.

[jgiff17]

The New Wild Frontier Conference:

Oregon

West Virginia

Florida State

Rutgers

Minnesota

Texas Tech

BYU

Penn State

We can only dream...it would be great to see a concept of the conferece logo

[McCall]

There's apparently rumors floating around of the Big Least adding UCF, SMU, Houston, and Boise State. Did I mention that I can't stand Big Least football?

Ucf is the only one of those schools that makes since logisticallyish since it is in the east. This is why I loved the fact that tge PAC 12 turned down expansion is that the big XII is great with having tight quarters and tcu was the only correct fit. Byu is a little out there and so is louisville but there really aren't anymore choices unless they want to grab tulane or smu and Houston to push Oklahoma and Oklahoma state to the north.

Geography is not as relevant as you're making it out to be. And apparently neither is your grammar.

O great sir I did not know these posts were being graded. I promise my essay on Monday will be much mo betta than me comments on this here message bord o great one!! Haha and on geography, I guess some people on here make that argument, as well as history a big deal when it fits into their posts and some are disconnected enough from the open road because of their fat pockets that buying a plane ticket to 4 or more away games is not a big of a deal (I'm assuming you are well off enough to pull this off). This does not include just football travel though, how about the fans, friends, and family that want to travel with the team every week in whatever sport they choose to follow? Guess you have fat enough pockets for them as well. Guess geography had nothing to do with tcu choosing one seemingly weakening conference for another esp when they could have dominated the big east every year as compared to the big XII.

How does me stating that geography isn't much of a priority, with clear common knowledge evidence to back it up, mean I have fat pockets? As a matter of fact I don't. And TCU just NOW chose the Big XII after choosing the Big Easy last year. Only reason they're switching now is because the Big XII has a better longevity outlook (not by much) than the Big East, which may cease to exist very soon. Do some research first before posting next time.

[McCall]

Oh, and BYU is now NOT joining the Big XII. They've had the offer for nearly 2 weeks, but neither side could come to an agreement. Not clear who walked away first, but apparently the LDS was not easy to deal with.

[DarkJourney]

The New Wild Frontier Conference:

Oregon

West Virginia

Florida State

Rutgers

Minnesota

Texas Tech

BYU

Penn State

Where's the love for Hawaii?

Rutgers vetoed it down

[dfwabel]

There's apparently rumors floating around of the Big Least adding UCF, SMU, Houston, and Boise State. Did I mention that I can't stand Big Least football?

Ucf is the only one of those schools that makes since logisticallyish since it is in the east. This is why I loved the fact that tge PAC 12 turned down expansion is that the big XII is great with having tight quarters and tcu was the only correct fit. Byu is a little out there and so is louisville but there really aren't anymore choices unless they want to grab tulane or smu and Houston to push Oklahoma and Oklahoma state to the north.

Geography is not as relevant as you're making it out to be. And apparently neither is your grammar.

O great sir I did not know these posts were being graded. I promise my essay on Monday will be much mo betta than me comments on this here message bord o great one!! Haha and on geography, I guess some people on here make that argument, as well as history a big deal when it fits into their posts and some are disconnected enough from the open road because of their fat pockets that buying a plane ticket to 4 or more away games is not a big of a deal (I'm assuming you are well off enough to pull this off). This does not include just football travel though, how about the fans, friends, and family that want to travel with the team every week in whatever sport they choose to follow? Guess you have fat enough pockets for them as well. Guess geography had nothing to do with tcu choosing one seemingly weakening conference for another esp when they could have dominated the big east every year as compared to the big XII.

It didn't. Money did.

Currently, TCU receives $1M/year in TV rights fees from the current MWC contract (which goes through 2016; no renegotiation going on there when games get a 0.14 rating on CBS Sports Network)

If they played a game in the Big East, they would get approx. $10M/year in TV right fees from that conference's current TV deal which ends in 2013.

By going to the Big XII, they will receive at least $15M/year in TV right fees for the next six years.

The only thing which playing locally does for TCU is ensures that they will have Amon Carter seat 50,000 since they can easily get donors to pledge the money to get to that capacity as well as they know that they will have sellouts for conference home games.

[jgiff17]

There's apparently rumors floating around of the Big Least adding UCF, SMU, Houston, and Boise State. Did I mention that I can't stand Big Least football?

Ucf is the only one of those schools that makes since logisticallyish since it is in the east. This is why I loved the fact that tge PAC 12 turned down expansion is that the big XII is great with having tight quarters and tcu was the only correct fit. Byu is a little out there and so is louisville but there really aren't anymore choices unless they want to grab tulane or smu and Houston to push Oklahoma and Oklahoma state to the north.

Geography is not as relevant as you're making it out to be. And apparently neither is your grammar.

O great sir I did not know these posts were being graded. I promise my essay on Monday will be much mo betta than me comments on this here message bord o great one!! Haha and on geography, I guess some people on here make that argument, as well as history a big deal when it fits into their posts and some are disconnected enough from the open road because of their fat pockets that buying a plane ticket to 4 or more away games is not a big of a deal (I'm assuming you are well off enough to pull this off). This does not include just football travel though, how about the fans, friends, and family that want to travel with the team every week in whatever sport they choose to follow? Guess you have fat enough pockets for them as well. Guess geography had nothing to do with tcu choosing one seemingly weakening conference for another esp when they could have dominated the big east every year as compared to the big XII.

How does me stating that geography isn't much of a priority, with clear common knowledge evidence to back it up, mean I have fat pockets? As a matter of fact I don't. And TCU just NOW chose the Big XII after choosing the Big Easy last year. Only reason they're switching now is because the Big XII has a better longevity outlook (not by much) than the Big East, which may cease to exist very soon. Do some research first before posting next time.

O I apologize, didn't know that research was a prerequisite to post hypothetical statements on an open forum. I dream of a place that we can freely post our visions of the future of college football and discuss the present happenings, but I guess you sir have it all figured out so we shall all sit in amazement as you tell us exactly what is going to occur in the future with research that you have conducted because I'm sure that if I do research on your postings I'll find that you, before anyone else, stated exactly what was going to happen in detail concerning the movement in college football...if you don't care for the statements I or anyone else makes then don't respond but if you do maybe cool off on acting as if by research anyone in this forum could have foretold anything that has happened recently. I came here to discuss and learn further on how others felt about not only my views, but that of others and everything going on in the sport that I love. Do I have to be a genius on every team or every issue? If I was I wouldn't be here. So stop dictating as to what or who is acceptable here. If you have the info then provide it, if you or someone already posted the info then share the wealth brother don't try to talk down. We are all here by our own choice and that's because we all share the same love for the sport of college football and what is going on with it so we should all be on the same team. Sorry if there are grammar errors...it's a friggin board who really cares?

[jgiff17]

There's apparently rumors floating around of the Big Least adding UCF, SMU, Houston, and Boise State. Did I mention that I can't stand Big Least football?

Ucf is the only one of those schools that makes since logisticallyish since it is in the east. This is why I loved the fact that tge PAC 12 turned down expansion is that the big XII is great with having tight quarters and tcu was the only correct fit. Byu is a little out there and so is louisville but there really aren't anymore choices unless they want to grab tulane or smu and Houston to push Oklahoma and Oklahoma state to the north.

Geography is not as relevant as you're making it out to be. And apparently neither is your grammar.

O great sir I did not know these posts were being graded. I promise my essay on Monday will be much mo betta than me comments on this here message bord o great one!! Haha and on geography, I guess some people on here make that argument, as well as history a big deal when it fits into their posts and some are disconnected enough from the open road because of their fat pockets that buying a plane ticket to 4 or more away games is not a big of a deal (I'm assuming you are well off enough to pull this off). This does not include just football travel though, how about the fans, friends, and family that want to travel with the team every week in whatever sport they choose to follow? Guess you have fat enough pockets for them as well. Guess geography had nothing to do with tcu choosing one seemingly weakening conference for another esp when they could have dominated the big east every year as compared to the big XII.

It didn't. Money did.

Currently, TCU receives $1M/year in TV rights fees from the current MWC contract (which goes through 2016; no renegotiation going on there when games get a 0.14 rating on CBS Sports Network)

If they played a game in the Big East, they would get approx. $10M/year in TV right fees from that conference's current TV deal which ends in 2013.

By going to the Big XII, they will receive at least $15M/year in TV right fees for the next six years.

The only thing which playing locally does for TCU is ensures that they will have Amon Carter seat 50,000 since they can easily get donors to pledge the money to get to that capacity as well as they know that they will have sellouts for conference home games.

Thank you. I know money always plays a part in all of this madness. Do you believe tcu would have made the move to the big XII if Pitt and su would have stayed in the big east and the big XII would not have agreed to share the tv tier 1 and 2 money equally? I just can't seem to believe that tcu would have went to the big east when the conference in their own backyard would have come calling even if it was in a worse state than the big east.

[DCDuck]

I just can't seem to believe that tcu would have went to the big east when the conference in their own backyard would have come calling even if it was in a worse state than the big east.

It all comes down to money. TCU would be drawing whatever they could while Texas and OU were suffocating the rest of the conference if the revenue sharing wasn't in place.

[McCall]

There's apparently rumors floating around of the Big Least adding UCF, SMU, Houston, and Boise State. Did I mention that I can't stand Big Least football?

Ucf is the only one of those schools that makes since logisticallyish since it is in the east. This is why I loved the fact that tge PAC 12 turned down expansion is that the big XII is great with having tight quarters and tcu was the only correct fit. Byu is a little out there and so is louisville but there really aren't anymore choices unless they want to grab tulane or smu and Houston to push Oklahoma and Oklahoma state to the north.

Geography is not as relevant as you're making it out to be. And apparently neither is your grammar.

O great sir I did not know these posts were being graded. I promise my essay on Monday will be much mo betta than me comments on this here message bord o great one!! Haha and on geography, I guess some people on here make that argument, as well as history a big deal when it fits into their posts and some are disconnected enough from the open road because of their fat pockets that buying a plane ticket to 4 or more away games is not a big of a deal (I'm assuming you are well off enough to pull this off). This does not include just football travel though, how about the fans, friends, and family that want to travel with the team every week in whatever sport they choose to follow? Guess you have fat enough pockets for them as well. Guess geography had nothing to do with tcu choosing one seemingly weakening conference for another esp when they could have dominated the big east every year as compared to the big XII.

How does me stating that geography isn't much of a priority, with clear common knowledge evidence to back it up, mean I have fat pockets? As a matter of fact I don't. And TCU just NOW chose the Big XII after choosing the Big Easy last year. Only reason they're switching now is because the Big XII has a better longevity outlook (not by much) than the Big East, which may cease to exist very soon. Do some research first before posting next time.

O I apologize, didn't know that research was a prerequisite to post hypothetical statements on an open forum. I dream of a place that we can freely post our visions of the future of college football and discuss the present happenings, but I guess you sir have it all figured out so we shall all sit in amazement as you tell us exactly what is going to occur in the future with research that you have conducted because I'm sure that if I do research on your postings I'll find that you, before anyone else, stated exactly what was going to happen in detail concerning the movement in college football...if you don't care for the statements I or anyone else makes then don't respond but if you do maybe cool off on acting as if by research anyone in this forum could have foretold anything that has happened recently. I came here to discuss and learn further on how others felt about not only my views, but that of others and everything going on in the sport that I love. Do I have to be a genius on every team or every issue? If I was I wouldn't be here. So stop dictating as to what or who is acceptable here. If you have the info then provide it, if you or someone already posted the info then share the wealth brother don't try to talk down. We are all here by our own choice and that's because we all share the same love for the sport of college football and what is going on with it so we should all be on the same team. Sorry if there are grammar errors...it's a friggin board who really cares?

Well when you make personal statements and assumptions about someone simply because they have a different opinion than yours, you kind of bring it on yourself.

[jgiff17]

There's apparently rumors floating around of the Big Least adding UCF, SMU, Houston, and Boise State. Did I mention that I can't stand Big Least football?

Ucf is the only one of those schools that makes since logisticallyish since it is in the east. This is why I loved the fact that tge PAC 12 turned down expansion is that the big XII is great with having tight quarters and tcu was the only correct fit. Byu is a little out there and so is louisville but there really aren't anymore choices unless they want to grab tulane or smu and Houston to push Oklahoma and Oklahoma state to the north.

Geography is not as relevant as you're making it out to be. And apparently neither is your grammar.

O great sir I did not know these posts were being graded. I promise my essay on Monday will be much mo betta than me comments on this here message bord o great one!! Haha and on geography, I guess some people on here make that argument, as well as history a big deal when it fits into their posts and some are disconnected enough from the open road because of their fat pockets that buying a plane ticket to 4 or more away games is not a big of a deal (I'm assuming you are well off enough to pull this off). This does not include just football travel though, how about the fans, friends, and family that want to travel with the team every week in whatever sport they choose to follow? Guess you have fat enough pockets for them as well. Guess geography had nothing to do with tcu choosing one seemingly weakening conference for another esp when they could have dominated the big east every year as compared to the big XII.

How does me stating that geography isn't much of a priority, with clear common knowledge evidence to back it up, mean I have fat pockets? As a matter of fact I don't. And TCU just NOW chose the Big XII after choosing the Big Easy last year. Only reason they're switching now is because the Big XII has a better longevity outlook (not by much) than the Big East, which may cease to exist very soon. Do some research first before posting next time.

O I apologize, didn't know that research was a prerequisite to post hypothetical statements on an open forum. I dream of a place that we can freely post our visions of the future of college football and discuss the present happenings, but I guess you sir have it all figured out so we shall all sit in amazement as you tell us exactly what is going to occur in the future with research that you have conducted because I'm sure that if I do research on your postings I'll find that you, before anyone else, stated exactly what was going to happen in detail concerning the movement in college football...if you don't care for the statements I or anyone else makes then don't respond but if you do maybe cool off on acting as if by research anyone in this forum could have foretold anything that has happened recently. I came here to discuss and learn further on how others felt about not only my views, but that of others and everything going on in the sport that I love. Do I have to be a genius on every team or every issue? If I was I wouldn't be here. So stop dictating as to what or who is acceptable here. If you have the info then provide it, if you or someone already posted the info then share the wealth brother don't try to talk down. We are all here by our own choice and that's because we all share the same love for the sport of college football and what is going on with it so we should all be on the same team. Sorry if there are grammar errors...it's a friggin board who really cares?

Well when you make personal statements and assumptions about someone simply because they have a different opinion than yours, you kind of bring it on yourself.

Maybe the use of emoticons need to be used more to lighten the mood haha. I do not know you or anything about you to make true statements and I only assumed you were aware that the normal college student does not have the financial ability to travel by air every weekend to support their team(s). And my assumption wasn't a bad one...ok so what do you believe/or want to occur with the big east, cusa, mw, etc?

[dfwabel]

There's apparently rumors floating around of the Big Least adding UCF, SMU, Houston, and Boise State. Did I mention that I can't stand Big Least football?

Ucf is the only one of those schools that makes since logisticallyish since it is in the east. This is why I loved the fact that tge PAC 12 turned down expansion is that the big XII is great with having tight quarters and tcu was the only correct fit. Byu is a little out there and so is louisville but there really aren't anymore choices unless they want to grab tulane or smu and Houston to push Oklahoma and Oklahoma state to the north.

Geography is not as relevant as you're making it out to be. And apparently neither is your grammar.

O great sir I did not know these posts were being graded. I promise my essay on Monday will be much mo betta than me comments on this here message bord o great one!! Haha and on geography, I guess some people on here make that argument, as well as history a big deal when it fits into their posts and some are disconnected enough from the open road because of their fat pockets that buying a plane ticket to 4 or more away games is not a big of a deal (I'm assuming you are well off enough to pull this off). This does not include just football travel though, how about the fans, friends, and family that want to travel with the team every week in whatever sport they choose to follow? Guess you have fat enough pockets for them as well. Guess geography had nothing to do with tcu choosing one seemingly weakening conference for another esp when they could have dominated the big east every year as compared to the big XII.

It didn't. Money did.

Currently, TCU receives $1M/year in TV rights fees from the current MWC contract (which goes through 2016; no renegotiation going on there when games get a 0.14 rating on CBS Sports Network)

If they played a game in the Big East, they would get approx. $10M/year in TV right fees from that conference's current TV deal which ends in 2013.

By going to the Big XII, they will receive at least $15M/year in TV right fees for the next six years.

The only thing which playing locally does for TCU is ensures that they will have Amon Carter seat 50,000 since they can easily get donors to pledge the money to get to that capacity as well as they know that they will have sellouts for conference home games.

Thank you. I know money always plays a part in all of this madness. Do you believe tcu would have made the move to the big XII if Pitt and su would have stayed in the big east and the big XII would not have agreed to share the tv tier 1 and 2 money equally? I just can't seem to believe that tcu would have went to the big east when the conference in their own backyard would have come calling even if it was in a worse state than the big east.

If Pitt and SU remained in the Big East it would have been due to the fact that the conference accepted the ESPN offer which would have given them similar money to the ACC. That is first. Secondly, the deals other media contracts, namely the Pac-12, received since Nebraska and Colorado left the Big XII (and formation of LHN) played a role on aTm leaving and the other Big XII institutions complaining about Texas. Thirdly, Doss had Dan Beebe in his back pocket and TCU did not get an invite until Beebe was replaced in a coup from namely the former Big 8 schools.