OchentaYOcho88 Posted March 10, 2011 Share Posted March 10, 2011 I think these teams, and other "semi-pro" teams take logos because they're available, they don't understand the work that goes into the logos and they don't want to spend the money to pay someone to make them an original image. My question to you guys, what a ballpark price that a team would expect to pay for a logo(s). I ask because I play on a "semi-pro" team who wants to use a Raiders logo and I want to stop them, and other teams in our league from making the same mistakes.You can get a decent quality logo for a couple hundred bucks, maybe even less. Far less than the risk of a potential lawsuit I would think.Hell, I bet some people on here would do them really cheap, or possibly even free just to get the practice and to build their portfolio!I'll have to pass that on to the guys. Thank you.I love the logos Fraser, and your work is amazing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Funkatron101 Posted March 10, 2011 Share Posted March 10, 2011 I think these teams, and other "semi-pro" teams take logos because they're available, they don't understand the work that goes into the logos and they don't want to spend the money to pay someone to make them an original image. My question to you guys, what a ballpark price that a team would expect to pay for a logo(s). I ask because I play on a "semi-pro" team who wants to use a Raiders logo and I want to stop them, and other teams in our league from making the same mistakes.You can get a decent quality logo for a couple hundred bucks, maybe even less. Far less than the risk of a potential lawsuit I would think.Hell, I bet some people on here would do them really cheap, or possibly even free just to get the practice and to build their portfolio!I'll have to pass that on to the guys. Thank you.I love the logos Fraser, and your work is amazing.You could always try the request board and see if you get any interest.Also the price I listed is really a loose ballpark, I have no idea what someone like Fraser charges and I certainly don't want to speak on his behalf. I will say that whatever he does charge is probably well worth the money! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pianoknight Posted March 10, 2011 Share Posted March 10, 2011 These guys are making enemies quick. I believe Ford Motor Company would like a few words with their lawyers.Also, that Mass Fury logo looks a bit like the LA Extreme of the former XFL. 5th in NAT. TITLES | 2nd in CONF. TITLES | 5th in HEISMAN | 7th in DRAFTS | 8th in ALL-AMER | 7th in WINS | 4th in BOWLS | 1st in SELLOUTS | 1st GAMEDAY SIGN Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ragone Posted March 10, 2011 Share Posted March 10, 2011 As a Raiders fan myself, I would leave seeing this logo being used by them! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eRay Posted March 10, 2011 Share Posted March 10, 2011 I trust you found this on their "About Us" section of the site?E.F.L. Management DirectoryCommisioner - Jim Kearney (617)201-8190President - Bob Kalinyak - (207)829-5702Vice President - Jaime Cairns - (401)569-6627Secretary - Tom Zichella - (508)460-1325Treasurer - Peter O'Kane - (617)922-3275Apparently there is a team up near me in Maine, if nobody can get the ear of the guys that run this league, maybe I could try talking to the guys that run the Maine team in person. See if they understand the problem and can get you in touch with the heads of the league. Bit of a last-ditch effort, but it could work.Or I could try out for the team...make it, have a hall of fame career playing for them, then retire and become the president of the league based off my on-field accomplishments. Once in power I could rid the league of all the stolen logos, from the inside. Hollywood, take note of this story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OchentaYOcho88 Posted March 10, 2011 Share Posted March 10, 2011 These guys are making enemies quick. I believe Ford Motor Company would like a few words with their lawyers.Also, that Mass Fury logo looks a bit like the LA Extreme of the former XFL.The "M" with the crossed swords looks alot like Montana State's "M". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Funkatron101 Posted March 10, 2011 Share Posted March 10, 2011 The "M" with the crossed swords looks alot like Montana State's "M".That block style M is fairly common for colleges. Michigan, Mercer, Memphis and McNeese all use a similar M. In fact I would say it is closer to Michigan than Montana State. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnythingChicago Posted March 10, 2011 Share Posted March 10, 2011 Maybe we should make the concepts section off limits to non-members... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OchentaYOcho88 Posted March 10, 2011 Share Posted March 10, 2011 The "M" with the crossed swords looks alot like Montana State's "M".That block style M is fairly common for colleges. Michigan, Mercer, Memphis and McNeese all use a similar M. In fact I would say it is closer to Michigan than Montana State.After looking at both Michigan and Montana State's M's you're absolutely right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrandMooreArt Posted March 10, 2011 Share Posted March 10, 2011 Maybe we should make the concepts section off limits to non-members...that might be a good idea. from now on though, id advise everyone to post low res JPGs and/or watermarked images GRAPHIC ARTIST BEHANCE / MEDIUM / DRIBBBLE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nash61 Posted March 10, 2011 Share Posted March 10, 2011 Here's the only contact info the Blue Raiders give on their website.Twin City Blue Raiders Contact InformationsMarcos Meza, Head Coach:19 Pierce AvenueSuite C#7Fitchburg, MA 01420(978) 235-6636 On September 20, 2012 at 0:50 AM, 'CS85 said: It's like watching the hellish undead creakily shuffling their way out of the flames of a liposuction clinic dumpster fire. On February 19, 2012 at 9:30 AM, 'pianoknight said: Story B: Red Wings go undefeated and score 100 goals in every game. They also beat a team comprised of Godzilla, the ghost of Abraham Lincoln, 2 Power Rangers and Betty White. Oh, and they played in the middle of Iraq on a military base. In the sand. With no ice. Santa gave them special sand-skates that allowed them to play in shorts and t-shirts in 115 degree weather. Jesus, Zeus and Buddha watched from the sidelines and ate cotton candy. POTD 5/24/12, POTD 2/26/17 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Funkatron101 Posted March 10, 2011 Share Posted March 10, 2011 So a recap. Assuming that they don't actually have permission to use the following logos, which is highly likely due to Fraser's Raiders logo. Team: Bay State Bucs. Ripoff of: Tampa Bay Bucs. Team: Boston Ravens. Recolor: Baltimore Ravens. Team: Braintree Cowboys. Ripoff of: Dallas Cowboys. Team: Townies Variation of: Tampa Bay Bucs. Probably safe? Team: Clinton Irish Blizzard. Recolor: Chicago Bears Team: Hyde Park Seminoles Ripoff of: Florida State. Team: Quincy Militia. Ripoff of: Robert Morris.Oh, and obviously Fraser's.The rest I don't recognize. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrandMooreArt Posted March 10, 2011 Share Posted March 10, 2011 FD, if it helps this is a copyright infringement letter i got from another designer whose good with the legal stuff. id advise to personalize this letter (your name and such) and email to whoever you can. others are welcome to it as well ofcourseWeasel,I'm contacting InfringingWeasels.com in regards to a copyright violation. Below is all the pertenant information you require regarding DMCA protocol along with a few other points of information I need to have answered as well regarding the infringed artwork.1. A physical or electronic signature of a person authorized to act on behalf of the owner of an exclusive right that is allegedly infringed.This email acts as my electronic signature. I have also attached a scan of my signature. This should suffice.<Insert Actual Scan of Your Signature Here>2. Identification of the copyrighted work claimed to have been infringed, or, if multiple copyrighted works at a single online site are covered by a single notification, a representative list of such works at that site.My original artwork can be seen in my art blog post and a tutorial documenting it's creation as well. Both links are posted below for your comparison.Art Blog: http://yourblog.com/yourart.jpgMy Tutorial Site: http://www.yoursite.com/yourart.jpg3. Identification of the material that is claimed to be infringing or to be the subject of infringing activity and that is to be removed or access to which is to be disabled, and information reasonably sufficient to permit the InfringingWeasels to locate the material.The artwork on InfringingWeasels.com that is infringing upon my work can be found at the link below. It is the "Your Artwork Title" in the upper right hand corner in the group of four shown. (See attached image for clarification)http://www.InfringingWeasels.com/pic.mhtml?file=236695,1229721109,44. Information reasonably sufficient to permit the InfringingWeasels to contact the complaining party, such as an address, telephone number, and, if available, an electronic mail address at which the complaining party may be contacted.Your Name HereBusiness Name Here555 Address Goes HereCity, State 99555555-555-5555name@yoursite.com5. A statement that the complaining party has a good faith belief that use of the material in the manner complained of is not authorized by the copyright owner, its agent, or the law.I'm the creator and copyright owner of the artwork in question. At no time have I granted usage or licensing of this art to a second party to sell on InfringingWeasels.com.6. A statement that the information in the notification is accurate, and under penalty of perjury, that the complaining party is authorized to act on behalf of the owner of an exclusive right that is allegedly infringed.All statements and information within this email are true.7. In addition to the minimal DMCA requirements I also require the following information to be provided to me the copyright holder of the artwork in question.- Full contact information (Name, Address, Phone, Email) of person responsible for uploading my artwork to InfringingWeasels.com web site.- Notification of all parties who downloaded this artwork and informed of violation and refunded accordingly- InfringingWeasels.com will notify Your Business Name Here when this has been doneThank you for your time and handling of this matter.Your Name HereSignature File Here GRAPHIC ARTIST BEHANCE / MEDIUM / DRIBBBLE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nash61 Posted March 10, 2011 Share Posted March 10, 2011 That works great until they try to go to InfringingWeasels.com On September 20, 2012 at 0:50 AM, 'CS85 said: It's like watching the hellish undead creakily shuffling their way out of the flames of a liposuction clinic dumpster fire. On February 19, 2012 at 9:30 AM, 'pianoknight said: Story B: Red Wings go undefeated and score 100 goals in every game. They also beat a team comprised of Godzilla, the ghost of Abraham Lincoln, 2 Power Rangers and Betty White. Oh, and they played in the middle of Iraq on a military base. In the sand. With no ice. Santa gave them special sand-skates that allowed them to play in shorts and t-shirts in 115 degree weather. Jesus, Zeus and Buddha watched from the sidelines and ate cotton candy. POTD 5/24/12, POTD 2/26/17 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Funkatron101 Posted March 10, 2011 Share Posted March 10, 2011 That works great until they try to go to InfringingWeasels.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slapshot Posted March 10, 2011 Share Posted March 10, 2011 You can try to get money out of these teams, but the reality is you're not likely to get anything. A cease and desist can stop them from using your logo, but won't stop them from finding another alternative."Semi-Pro" is a loose term with teams like this. They have an owner and sponsors, but most of that money goes toward equipment, field usage fees, league memberships, and referees. A lot of these teams struggle to field enough players during the season. Some of the better teams might be able to sell merchandise, but it's tough to tell which teams are which. Half of the time, teams don't even wear consistent uniforms or helmets.The equipment is usually garnered as inexpensive as possible, or have the players provide their own. A lot of teams do have original logos, but there's no way of knowing if the artist was paid for the work.It's wrong to "acquire" the art. I am not going to dispute that. This is clearly a case of using a found logo.But I don't think anyone's going to get money out of this. At best, someone might get to pad their portfolio. Back-to-Back Fatal Forty Champion 2015 & 2016 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnySeoul Posted March 11, 2011 Share Posted March 11, 2011 just been sent the decals from the logo this thread spawned from the nice people at the west sydney pirates.Outstanding helmet!! JohnnySeoul's WikipageIF ONE IS CONSIDERED RACIST, THEN BOTH MUST BE CONSIDERED RACIST.BOTTOM LINE: NEITHER ONE IS RACIST. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davidson Posted March 11, 2011 Author Share Posted March 11, 2011 cheers guys, appreciate the help.no, of course i dont want to extract a huge amount of money from them. like was said, these teams arent huge commercial ventures. its just nice have control over who is using your work.ill let you know how i get on.fd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EJ_Barlik Posted March 17, 2011 Share Posted March 17, 2011 It's really sad when something like this happens (the theft, not the original concept). The original concept was brilliant in it's execution. Now, the only thing needing to be executed is the league who stole it. When I first heard this league, I figured it was some hick fantasy league with people who just poached the logos with different colors. Now, I see that the league is somewhat real, and I can only think....the exact same thing. Hick league, no class. Personally, I will stand by my earlier statement (on pages 5 and 7, for those who forgot). This is one of the absolute best Raider concepts, ever, period. 5-time Defending NL East Champions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
treybraid Posted September 12, 2011 Share Posted September 12, 2011 Frasier what background, gradient or pattern are you using with your logos that give it a mesh look? Trey yo,so further to my comments on nutinis thread i was inspired to finish a concept i started a while back.the guy on the raiders helmet has always looked entirely expressionless save the slightly misplacedmona lisa smirk.i wanted something that captured a bit more of the feeling of the mentalists behind the endzonewhilst retaining something of the original logo.please let me know what you think.ta fraser Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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