2013 NFL Off-Season Thread

[TBGKon]

Bucs made a great deal here:

- They only gave up this years #1 (where I dont see any player being on par with Revis) and most likely a 3rd in 2014. That's it!

- The restructured contract with Revis gave him 6 yrs, $96 mil with NO guaranteed money. As theres no guaranteed money, nothing goes against the cap in future years other that Revis' annual salary every season.

[NEW.ERA]

The contract is honestly what makes me laugh at this trade. Never thought much of Revis, yeah he's decent, but was never dominant. Revis Island was his and the media's creation.

[ninersdd]

Revis is pretty good, and props go to the Bucs for targeting an obvious weak point from last year. However, first and foremost, their pass rush will determine whether or not they become a playoff team and finish above ATL or NO.

[FiddySicks]

Revis is pretty good, and props go to the Bucs for targeting an obvious weak point from last year. However, first and foremost, their pass rush will determine whether or not they become a playoff team and finish above ATL or NO.

Exactly. Their secondary is great now. Having Mark Barron and Deshaun Goldson at safety, and having Darrelle Revis and Rhonde Barber at CB makes that a great secondary in a division where it's absolutely essential with the quarterbacks and receivers they'll face. BUT, they still have a ton of problems on the D line (Injuries, mostly) and Linebacking core. But if the D line can stay healthy, they should be fine. Finding a great linebacker is a very difficult task, but finding linebackers that are serviceable is a bit easier.

[BlueSky]

My problem with Revis is that he's a circus sideshow. Constant contract whining and renegotiation and narcissim (Revis Island? Yeah, Drew Brees will be coming to visit...) and all that. Who wants that in their locker room? And where it will really burn them is if he's not as good as expected. Then you have nothing but the baggage.

So? What does Tampa normally have? They're a team that is usually the hardest for most people to remember when naming all of the NFL teams. A little bit of a media circus is actually kind of needed IMO. And it's not like they traded for Tim Tebow. They just traded for the best CB in the league.

Yeah, and the Eagles signed the "best CB in the league" too when they got Nmamdi. How'd that work out? Again and again people forget that football is a team game. Year in and year out "great" players change teams and we learn they were only great because of the cumulative effect of the players around them, the coaching, the scheme, the chemistry, or some combination thereof. I always look at these things and say, "Do I wish my team had made that move?" And in this instance the answer is a resounding no.

I'm not trying to rain on TB's parade (and who would care if I was?). Just giving one man's opinion. Who knows, maybe you're right, he comes in and is a leader and that D gets a lot better (with Ronde as the other CB? Hmmm...). The great thing is that we'll know whether this was a good move in a few months.

[Kramerica Industries]

The same off-season that the Eagles signed Nnamdi, the Texans signed Johnathan Joseph, also heralded as an excellent CB, and that signing has worked out pretty well for the Texans, hasn't it?

I like this move if for no other reason than the fact that the Bucs have a huge weakness in their secondary, and they have attacked it head-on with the Goldson signing and now this trade for Revis. Does the torn ACL worry me a bit? Of course. Torn ACL's can be very destructive injuries, and recoveries like AP's are the exception, not the rule. But pair Revis with Wright (assuming the Bucs don't cut him), leave Ronde as a nickelback and having Goldson and Barron as the safeties, and now you have the construct of a very solid secondary. Now it's up to the young dudes on the D-line to stay healthy and perform, because a strong secondary is pretty much negated by a poor pass rush. Seattle's secondary would be nothing without the excellent pass rush they have.

Bucs are making a big mistake. They could have signed Antoine Winfield for cheaper ages ago (whom PFF ranked as the best corner in football last year). Instead they've traded way too many picks for an expensive diva who doesn't grasp the meaning of a contract and I still don't see them as a playoff team.

Maybe, but keep in mind that Antoine Winfield is 36 years old (come Week 1) and the Bucs are looking long-term as well as short-term with Revis. There's no guarantee Winfield can replicate his 2012 success (though he has been an excellent CB for many years, so I'm not going to doubt him), but he would not be a bit for the Bucs down the road. Furthermore, just because you don't really care for Revis doesn't make him a diva, which is something that you accuse almost every player you don't like of being (fair or not).

In a division with the Saints and Falcons, I agree that this by no means makes the Bucs a playoff team at this point in time. I'd still project them 3rd behind those two teams, and that's not a playoff spot when you consider that the NFC West will have both San Francisco and Seattle, and the NFC East will have the Redskins, Giants, AND Cowboys all fighting as well (don't see the Eagles in that mix yet). Who knows that the North will give. Minnesota may or may not take a step back, Detroit may or may not take a step forward, and Chicago is a complete mystery.

[Island_Style]

The Jags said they now have their guy and they will not trade. I still think it is Dion Jordan or Ansah. Fisher's name has been picking up steam. I don't consider Geno a shot anymore.

[theSLVRBCK]

The Jags said they now have their guy and they will not trade. I still think it is Dion Jordan or Ansah. Fisher's name has been picking up steam. I don't consider Geno a shot anymore.

I don't think it is Ansah. My dollar bill is split down the middle on Jordan and whichever OT that doesn't go #1. I think the Jags like one of the OTs better than the other and if the one they prefer falls to them, they will take him. If the one they prefer is taken at #1, they will take Jordan.

My pick, as it has been for the last couple of weeks, is Jordan.

[dfwabel]

To All:

If you have not done so before, there are two NFL team writers who really cover the draft as it comes to talking to GMs and team scouts.

Jeff Legwold of The Denver Post

Bob McGinn of The Milwaukee Journal Sentinel

[CS85]

[ninersdd]

I like this move if for no other reason than the fact that the Bucs have a huge weakness in their secondary, and they have attacked it head-on with the Goldson signing and now this trade for

Revis. Does the torn ACL worry me a bit? Of course. Torn ACL's can be very destructive injuries, and recoveries like AP's are the exception, not the rule. But pair Revis with Wright (assuming the Bucs don't cut him), leave Ronde as a nickelback and having Goldson and Barron as the safeties, and now you have the construct of a very solid secondary. Now it's up to the young dudes on the D-line to stay healthy and perform, because a strong secondary is

pretty much negated by a poor pass rush. Seattle's secondary would be nothing without the excellent pass rush they have.

He injured it in Week 3 last year, so he has

essentially a year to come back(which AP obviously pulled off in 9 months). Jamaal Charles came back pretty strong from his injury the year after and could've threatened AP if the Chiefs weren't the Chiefs. Good point about Seattle and their pass rush helping the secondary. We saw what happened though when Clemons was out against the Falcons in the playoffs, and they had their way through the

air. The funny thing is that the Bucs did have a top flight rush defense in the league last year(after being downright miserable in 2011). I know McCoy is pretty good, but was that high ranking mostly based off of how it was too easy to

throw on the team last year?

[DarkJourney]

Attention Jaguars personal: The game in London isn't until October 27th! You didn't have to leave so early.

[Kramerica Industries]

I like this move if for no other reason than the fact that the Bucs have a huge weakness in their secondary, and they have attacked it head-on with the Goldson signing and now this trade for Revis. Does the torn ACL worry me a bit? Of course. Torn ACL's can be very destructive injuries, and recoveries like AP's are the exception, not the rule. But pair Revis with Wright (assuming the Bucs don't cut him), leave Ronde as a nickelback and having Goldson and Barron as the safeties, and now you have the construct of a very solid secondary. Now it's up to the young dudes on the D-line to stay healthy and perform, because a strong secondary is pretty much negated by a poor pass rush. Seattle's secondary would be nothing without the excellent pass rush they have.

He injured it in Week 3 last year, so he has essentially a year to come back(which AP obviously pulled off in 9 months). Jamaal Charles came back pretty strong from his injury the year after and could've threatened AP if the Chiefs weren't the Chiefs. Good point about Seattle and their pass rush helping the secondary. We saw what happened though when Clemons was out against the Falcons in the playoffs, and they had their way through the air. The funny thing is that the Bucs did have a top flight rush defense in the league last year(after being downright miserable in 2011). I know McCoy is pretty good, but was that high ranking mostly based off of how easy it was too easy to throw on the team last year?

I tend to believe the latter. Atlanta and New Orleans were pass heavy teams last season and against the Bucs poor pass rush and weak secondary, there was no reason to try and establish the ground game first (which is why the Falcons doing just that in Week 12 was downright stupid). Eagles didn't have McCoy when they played, and Nick Foles threw for some 380 yards. Newton had a huge performance in Week 11. Denver went pass heavy and ripped them apart in Week 13. I could go on. The only QB's who really didn't have big games against the Bucs were, I think, Brady Quinn and Christian Ponder (go figure the Vikes were a bad matchup and got ripped accordingly).

It belies a form of common sense, really. Bucs do have a good rush defense regardless, but when the pass defense is so terrible, why in the world would you run the ball any more than 40% of the time, or thereabouts?

The AP comment was more about performance after injury than recovery time, BTW. AP's recovery time may have been the only thing more freakish than his overall performance post-injury.

[Joshawaggie]

I'm sure there's a reason for it, but that's pretty damn funny. And sad.

[BigEd76]

Dinner time in the eastern timezone?

[Burkell007]

i guess they DO have that #2 pick lined up, "ok boys we are off till friday good job!!"

[BlueSky]

"I'm thrilled to be here in Tampa. But I think it's clear I've outplayed my contract..."

Just wait.

[chuckymack]

Per my ESPN app, the Jets just gave Tebus his walking papers.

[dsaline97]

Per Schefter, the Jets released Tim Tebow.

Edit: just beat me to it.

[chuckymack]

Also, in case you missed it, LaGarrette Blount is now a Patriot.