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BlackBolt3    1,062

It's a little too late for this season, but the MLS really needs to promote these Saturday night games when football is not going on. Even though LA is down this year, this feels like a big game. Start the games at 8:00ish ET, and you have something.

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dfwabel    960
1 minute ago, BlackBolt3 said:

It's a little too late for this season, but the MLS really needs to promote these Saturday night games when football is not going on. Even though LA is down this year, this feels like a big game. Start the games at 8:00ish ET, and you have something.

The league works with ESPN/FOX/Univision for matches. They are promoted the same. You've got NFL bias.

 

They cannot just avoid Saturday and Sunday nights because of American football.

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BlackBolt3    1,062
31 minutes ago, dfwabel said:

You've got NFL bias.

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31 minutes ago, dfwabel said:

They cannot just avoid Saturday and Sunday nights because of American football.

Buddy, I didn't say that at all. I just want some nationally televised games on Saturday and Sunday nights. I think that the league could benefit from that.

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dfwabel    960
7 minutes ago, BlackBolt3 said:

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Buddy, I didn't say that at all. I just want some nationally televised games on Saturday and Sunday nights. I think that the league could benefit from that.

Very nice you GIF Swaggy P, yet FOX and ESPN gave MLS the national schedule two years ago and given a damn good job of telling viewers times. This week they had MLB and USGA commitments but told folks about MLS times.

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Nashville MLS group unveils first look at stadium proposed for fairgrounds

Nashville's MLS Expansion Releases Plan... for 30,000-Seat Stadium

John Ingram, chairman of Nashville Soccer Club Holdings and the man heading-up the city's bid to land a Major League Soccer franchise, unveiled the preliminary plans for a 30,000-seat, HOK-designed stadium at Fairgrounds Nashville last night.   

The presentation took place at a special Metro Council committee meeting. Ingram was joined by Nashville Mayor Megan Barry's COO Rich Riebeling, who told council members that the mayor's office hopes to finalize stadium financing negotiations with Ingram within the next 45 to 60 days and file legislation governing a stadium deal by October.

Ingram indicated that development of the stadium would be the centerpiece of a "private-public partnership" and that the facility's planned size reflects "a combination of what we think about the future growth of MLS and if it works out that another tenant could use the facility".


Vanderbilt University Vice Chancellor David Williams, who has been involved in ongoing talks with Ingram about making the proposed stadium a dual-purpose facility that could play host to Vanderbilt football, was also in attendance. He mentioned that the stadium would need to be capable of holding between 33,000 and 35,000 attendees for a shared-facility scenario to work. Apparently, architects have designed the stadium in such a way as to keep said option open.

Ingram stressed that the stadium renderings were preliminary. He added that the design was meant "to try to emphasize function over form" and that the bid group would like "something that would be aesthetically pleasing - but not look like it was dropped from outer space". 


Metro Council members said they plan to fully vet the proposal.

Let the financial wrangling begin.

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bosrs1    620

San Diego may lose out on MLS thanks politics and San Diego State...

 

But it seems the consolation NASL team has their act together. They've narrowed their search to three sites, and have released some initial site plans for what would appear to be their favorite site in Oceanside, CA.

 

http://www.foxsports.com/san-diego/video/1022694467715?amp=true

 

Plan would look like the following.

 

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And their stadium designer Populous has made similar modular stadiums that can go up in as little as 90 days in the same style and size such as AMI Stadium in New Zealand.

 

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McCarthy    6,413

I finally got to see an FC Cincinnati game with my own eyes last night. What a freaking scene. The result was a bummer, but that was one of the coolest sporting events I've ever been to. 

 

It was really fun to be up 2-0, but never felt comfortable. To my untrained eye the Red Bulls were obviously better and you can tell why those guys are in the higher league. Had a little more touch on their passes, better at controlling passes, and better, quicker decision making as well just a little more speed and athleticism.

 

I think this city has something very real, the soccer market is a snowball rolling downhill. Also, Nippert Stadium is an awesome venue. It's really too bad the MLS bid requires a SSS because that's basically what Nippert is already, the team just doesn't own it. Just give us a bid and we'll figure the stadium out later. 

 

Here's some pictures I took

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raysox    1,205

Boy, I really hope the Nashville Fairgrounds Speedway doesn't get torn down.

That, and imagine a soccer stadium near Broadway in Nashville, fairgrounds seems a bit far to walk

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DG_Now    3,805

That looks really cool. Going to playoff soccer matches is a lot of fun, isn't it? Every single minute counts, and there are so many swings and emotions to the games.

 

It feels inevitable that the lower-level clubs will get pushed out of Open Cup, but it's always cool to see a team like Cincinnati make it as far as they did. More cool that the city turned out the way that it did; it definitely made each game feel like an event on TV. And, you're right, Nippert looks the part. Too bad it doesn't have everything a team needs to be successful (I think dfwabel posted an article detailing why not Nippert a while back).

 

For the next round of MLS expansion, I hope Cincinnati is include. The league needs more teams in the middle of the country and Cincinnati seems like a safe bet without cannibalizing Columbus (though Columbus might have some work to do in general, independent of expansion).

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McCarthy    6,413

I think Cincinnati MLS would help the Crew more than hurt. High tide raises all boats. It gives Columbus an actual, close, natural rival, which they've never had. And I think it would spark more interest in both cities. As much as they'll claim that they draw from Cincinnati and Cleveland as part of their fanbase, they ain't drawing from Cincinnati and Cleveland.

 

 

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Gothamite    5,761
7 hours ago, McCarthy said:

Nippert Stadium is an awesome venue. It's really too bad the MLS bid requires a SSS because that's basically what Nippert is already, the team just doesn't own it. Just give us a bid and we'll figure the stadium out later. 

 

No, it doesn't work that way.  Get your ducks in a row. MLS tried the whole "trust us, we promise we'll figure it out later" thing with Vancouver, and that fell apart. So now it's finalize the details first.

 

But its not true that MLS requires a SSS. They require bidders to control their own stadium, which often means SSS but isn't the same thing. And MLS requires that for a very good reason.

 

I'm sympathetic to FC Cincinnati, and think they'll be a great addition to the league I love, but you don't get special treatment.  You have to put up what everybody else puts up. 

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4_tattoos    363

I thought the endzone areas of Nippert Stadium were (permanently dyed) black? Am I thinking of an older version of their turf?

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dfwabel    960
25 minutes ago, 4_tattoos said:

I thought the endzone areas of Nippert Stadium were (permanently dyed) black? Am I thinking of an older version of their turf?

FC Cincinnati paid for a new turf in 2016 when they contracted with the university. The team also paid to widen the field to 115x75, move back the south endzone wall, and locker room upgrades for 2017 via less concession revenue until paid in full.

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10 hours ago, raysox said:

Boy, I really hope the Nashville Fairgrounds Speedway doesn't get torn down.


Everything that I've read has indicated that, under the MLS stadium plan, auto racing and the speedway are to remain.

The fairgrounds, which hosts flea markets, various expo center events, auto racing and the annual Tennessee State Fair, is set to receive a $6 million upgrade that will turn 46 acres on the fairgrounds' south end to park space and recreational soccer fields. Another $12 million has been set aside for building demolitions and upgrades.


 

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McCarthy    6,413
15 hours ago, Gothamite said:

 

No, it doesn't work that way.  Get your ducks in a row. MLS tried the whole "trust us, we promise we'll figure it out later" thing with Vancouver, and that fell apart. So now it's finalize the details first.

 

But its not true that MLS requires a SSS. They require bidders to control their own stadium, which often means SSS but isn't the same thing. And MLS requires that for a very good reason.

 

I'm sympathetic to FC Cincinnati, and think they'll be a great addition to the league I love, but you don't get special treatment.  You have to put up what everybody else puts up. 


I know it doesn't work that way and I get why. I'm more or less venting because "you don't get special treatment" and "you have to put up what everybody else puts up" are relatively new terms to the game. But counterpoint: cmon, make with the bid. 

 

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Bucfan56    3,593
5 hours ago, McCarthy said:


I know it doesn't work that way and I get why. I'm more or less venting because "you don't get special treatment" and "you have to put up what everybody else puts up" are relatively new terms to the game. But counterpoint: cmon, make with the bid

 

 

Yeah that's nice and all, but Cincy is going to HAVE to go through the same things everyone else did. Republic drew insanely well when they were at Hughes Stadium on the Sacramento City College campus (Close to a 25,000 seat venue sold out multiple times), but they had to face a TON of unforseen challenges when it came to getting a yard they had control over, even the temporary venue that they're in now. You simply cannot skip that because you need to show a sense of resiliency and ability to adapt to certain challenges. It's nice to sell out matches like that, but it's hard to sustain that for several years, and it's a LOT easier to coordinate things when you don't have to be responsible for the venue. Cincy has shown they have the built in fan base (similar to what Sacramento had). But now they need to show that they have the rest of the bid in place, too. 

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Gothamite    5,761
8 hours ago, McCarthy said:

I know it doesn't work that way and I get why. I'm more or less venting because "you don't get special treatment" and "you have to put up what everybody else puts up" are relatively new terms to the game. But counterpoint: cmon, make with the bid. 

 

No, they really aren't. 

 

Vancouver was eight years and six expansion teams ago.  You can't complain that the league isn't the same as it was in 2009. 

 

And even then, Vancouver had a plan.  It was just a plan that fell through.  But "just give us a bid and we'll figure the stadium out later" has never been the league's rule. 

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McCarthy    6,413

I think I'm coming across as more serious than I actually am. I know and understand all of the hurdles they have to go through to get a team. 

 

 

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Digby    671

It would be very telling re: MLS priorities, if a mutually agreeable FC Cincinnati-Nippert Stadium deal was rejected but an indefinite period of time at Yankee Stadium is just fine.

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