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2017 NFL Season: Then there were Two

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5 minutes ago, McCarthy said:

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Is it bad that when the notification came up on my phone all I did was laugh heartily?

 

Hiw are they doing this?

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1 hour ago, oldschoolvikings said:

Just read a crazy stat about the Vikings at home.  In the 8 games they've played at US Bank Stadium, the Vikings have given up only 9 touchdowns, and one of those was a punt return.  Of those 8 offensive drives that ending in touchdown, half began in Viking territory, only 4 were traditional, full field drives. Only Tampa Bay, of all teams, scored more than one TD.

 

If they can keep playing at home (which would include the Super Bowl, of course), I think they might have a shot.

 

Vikings have been surprisingly great this year and I have zero problem jumping on their bandwagon.

 

The NFC has far outclassed the AFC this year (and last too). As much as I'm scared of another Pats SB win, I think this year will be harder than last. At least any team that gets a 28-3 lead on NE knows to not let it up.

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It's OK to fire good coaches when you feel that despite their talents, they're just not going to get the team over the hump, and a new voice is needed.

 

Why are they so afraid of letting Marvin Lewis go?  He's like the non-Mormon Andy Reid, except Andy Reid at least made it to a SB.

 

I never understood all the outrage when he couldn't get a job back in the day - everyone was like "this is the year Marvin Lewis should get a HC job", as if he was a known SB winning commodity that nobody wanted because black - in fact, wasn't the Rooney Rule enacted partially because of him?  Well guess what - black or white, it's 100 years later, and the team still hasn't accomplished anything worth talking about.  7 postseason appearances in 15 years isn't incredible (sorry Bills fans), and if you're boasting about a guy's "coaching tree", then... well, WHY ARE YOU EVEN MENTIONING THAT IN A PRESS RELEASE?

 

Sorry Bengals fans.  I just don't get how a front office thinks they can sell this to a fan base - oh, wait - yeah, I've experienced it here.

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Mike Brown is cheap. He probably wears hand me down suits from his long dead father. 

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The Ravens may have been eliminated from the playoffs by the Browns being so terrible. If the Browns went 8-8 (but still lost to the Ravens twice, obviously), the Ravens would have been in over the Bills.

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So, I guess we can count on the Steelers winning the AFC Central the next two seasons.

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1 hour ago, BringBackTheVet said:

It's OK to fire good coaches when you feel that despite their talents, they're just not going to get the team over the hump, and a new voice is needed.

 

 

This is exactly what's happened. They're probably a better team than 7-9 with fresh eyes and a new voice. A new guy probably gives them cooler heads going into a game against the Steelers. Lewis has almost never been good in those games. 

 

1 hour ago, BringBackTheVet said:

 

Why are they so afraid of letting Marvin Lewis go?  He's like the non-Mormon Andy Reid, except Andy Reid at least made it to a SB.

 

I never understood all the outrage when he couldn't get a job back in the day - everyone was like "this is the year Marvin Lewis should get a HC job", as if he was a known SB winning commodity that nobody wanted because black - in fact, wasn't the Rooney Rule enacted partially because of him?  Well guess what - black or white, it's 100 years later, and the team still hasn't accomplished anything worth talking about.  7 postseason appearances in 15 years isn't incredible (sorry Bills fans), and if you're boasting about a guy's "coaching tree", then... well, WHY ARE YOU EVEN MENTIONING THAT IN A PRESS RELEASE?

 

Here's why they're afraid of letting him go: 7 playoff appearances in 15 years is incredible when you consider the team only had 7 in their previous 35 years and Lewis spent the first two seasons fixing the most broken culture in football. We were the Browns of the league at the time. Arguably worse because there was no scouting department to speak of. That's why Mike Brown is afraid to let him go. He's A. cheap AF, B. scared of change, C. doesn't care about winning the Super Bowl. D content with this level of mediocrity because it's better than they were when he first took over the team from dad and E. lazy and doesn't want to do a coaching search. I'd be more than okay with Lewis' playoff appearance track record if they'd gone deep in any of those postseasons, but he could never get past the wildcard round. 

 

As bad as it sounds I think a lot of us are just kind of waiting for him to kick the bucket. Things may be just as bad with his kids in charge or it could be a Chicago Blackhawks situation. 

 

I don't get why they're mentioning his coaching tree in a press release when the guy they should've hired 3 years ago has the Vikings in the second round and one of the other ones is 1-31 with the Browns. I actually know the guy who runs the Bengals social media account and I'm not envious of him today. That tweet is getting ratio'ed to all hell. 

 

 

1 hour ago, BringBackTheVet said:

Sorry Bengals fans.  I just don't get how a front office thinks they can sell this to a fan base - oh, wait - yeah, I've experienced it here.

I don't think they can sell this any longer. People seem pretty pissed off. I know one person who's already cancelled his season tickets and my only recourse is to not go to the games until a change is made because it feels like Mike Brown is actively trolling this fanbase. If he was trying to demonstrate complete disdain for his customers he wouldn't be doing anything differently than he's already doing. I can't even think of another example of a professional head coach in any sport who toiled in mediocrity without ever really winning anything with one team for this long. Lindy Ruff was with the Sabres for forever, but at least he made it to a finals. Andy Reid got the Eagles to a Super Bowl and the NFCCG 5 times, as much as you complain about him, I'd take that stretch right about now. 

 

2 minutes ago, DEAD! said:

So, I guess we can count on the Steelers winning the AFC Central the next two seasons.

AFC North, but...probably. The Ravens have a QB problem all of a sudden, the Browns are the Browns, and the Bengals are the Bengals. 

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11 hours ago, McCarthy said:

 

 

"Do you understand it is actually statistically harder to be this consistently bad than it is for them to occasionally accidentally be good?"

 

The Factory of Sadness video is six years old and things are decidedly worse now than when it came out. I've taken to rooting for the Browns. Their fans are nice people and I know what they're going through. I'd kill a Steelers fan for the Steelers to have one miserable 2-14, 3-13 season like the Browns have had so many of. It's their turn to suck. 

 

The guy who made this is also the genius creator of this masterpiece:

 

 

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29 minutes ago, McCarthy said:

 

 

AFC North, but...probably. The Ravens have a QB problem all of a sudden, the Browns are the Browns, and the Bengals are the Bengals. 

Wow. What year am I living in? :lol:

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Dream scenario for Super Bowl LII:

 

Vikings become the first team to win a Super Bowl in their home stadium with a last second field goal to beat New England. 

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Between the incomprehensible ineptitude coming out of Cleveland and this, it may not be that far a stretch to think that the Steelers might have some racket going on in the AFC North. This sounds like an offer too good to refuse, if you catch my drift @McCarthy @BengalsJunkie...

 

 

I'm only half-serious.

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I find it funny when people complain that NE play in a "weak division", when now every team (including The Bills) have made the playoffs at least once in the past 5-10 years. Including the freaking Jets making 2 consecutive  AFC Championship games.

 

The AFC North is literally just Baltimore & Pittsburgh. 

 

 

 

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37 minutes ago, ozzyman314 said:

I find it funny when people complain that NE play in a "weak division", when now every team (including The Bills) have made the playoffs at least once in the past 5-10 years. Including the freaking Jets making 2 consecutive  AFC Championship games.

 

The AFC North is literally just Baltimore & Pittsburgh. 

 

 

 

The AFC East is a weak division. It's not the Patriots' fault, but it doesn't make it untrue. 

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If the Bengals played in the AFC East instead of the Patriots the last 15 years, Marvin Lewis is Bill Belichick. 

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1 hour ago, Red Wolf said:

The AFC East is a weak division. It's not the Patriots' fault, but it doesn't make it untrue. 

* The AFC East had more wins than four other divisions this year, and was only one win behind two other divisions.

 

The fact that the Patriots have won the Super Bowl nearly 1/3 of the time with Brady as a starter in a league with 31/32 teams should prove that the Patriots are pretty good against the rest of the league, too.

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6 hours ago, ozzyman314 said:

I find it funny when people complain that NE play in a "weak division", when now every team (including The Bills) have made the playoffs at least once in the past 5-10 years. Including the freaking Jets making 2 consecutive  AFC Championship games.

 

The AFC North is literally just Baltimore & Pittsburgh. 

 

 

That's total fallacy and an outdated perception of the Ravens. Their last 5 seasons have not been great. In fact, in the 5 years since the Ravens Super Bowl win the Bengals have won the division twice, the Steelers three times, and the Ravens and Browns zero. Playoff appearances in that same time frame (since that's your argument for the AFC East not being bad): Steelers 3, Bengals 3, Ravens 1, Browns 0. AFC East last five years: Patriots 5, Bills 1, Dolphins 1, Jets 0. They have as many playoff appearances as the Bills and Dolphins! 

 

Here's more: In the last 5 years the Ravens are 40-40. The Bengals are 46-32-2. In that time the Bengals are 7-3 against the Ravens. The only difference between the Ravens and Bengals this season was the Ravens were fortunate enough to play Brett Hundley and Tom Savage while the Bengals had to play Aaron Rodgers and Deshaun Watson. 

 

If anything the AFC North is just Pittsburgh. In recent history Baltimore is no better than Cincinnati. And none of that changes the fact that the Patriots absolutely do play in a weak division. The other 3 teams accidentally going 9-7 every once in a blue moon does not change that. 

 

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I'm not denying that The Patriots play in a weak division, I'm just pointing out that the AFC North is pathetically weak as well.

Yet I've never seen people give Ben the flak Brady gets for playing in a "joke division" when The Steelers get to play 2 games against The Browns every season. 

 

And yeah, that's not either team's fault. I just enjoy the irony of it. 

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17 hours ago, McCarthy said:

AFC North, but...probably. The Ravens have a QB problem all of a sudden, the Browns are the Browns, and the Bengals are the Bengals. 

 

Flacco didn't play well in the first half of the season (or the first half of the Bengals game :cursing:).  However, he was pretty good most of the last seven games.

 

The other thing to keep in mind about the Ravens is that they were hit pretty hard with injuries this year.  They played 14 games without either of their starting guards (one of whom is a perennial All Pro) and the last four without Jimmy Smith, who was playing at a Pro Bowl level (not to mention Dennis Pitta being forced into retirement during training camp). 

 

I'm not saying the Ravens will be Super Bowl contenders next year.  However, I do think they will be better than they were this year (albeit against tougher competition because the AFC North plays the NFC South and AFC West next season . . . and the Ravens play Buffalo and Tennessee in their placement games). 

 

7 hours ago, Cosmic said:

* The AFC East had more wins than four other divisions this year, and was only one win behind two other divisions.

 

The fact that the Patriots have won the Super Bowl nearly 1/3 of the time with Brady as a starter in a league with 31/32 teams should prove that the Patriots are pretty good against the rest of the league, too.

 

The Patriots performance against the rest of the league has been strongly affected by the general weakness of the AFC East.  By running up their record in the East, they have usually had a bye in the first round of the playoffs, if not home field advantage.  During the Brady/Belichick era, the Patriots have only played seven playoff games on the road* (only two after 2006) and haven't played on wildcard weekend since 2009.  It's a lot easier to make it to the Super Bowl when you're playing at home most of the time.

 

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/nwe/playoffs.htm

 

* -- Joe Flacco has won seven road playoff games (out of twelve).

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2 hours ago, ozzyman314 said:

I'm not denying that The Patriots play in a weak division, I'm just pointing out that the AFC North is pathetically weak as well.

 

LOL no it's not. It's not even close. Not to get all SEC fan here, but you could make the case that over the last 10 years the North has been the hardest division in the AFC. It's definitely been better than the South and East. 

 

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Yet I've never seen people give Ben the flak Brady gets for playing in a "joke division" when The Steelers get to play 2 games against The Browns every season. 

 

Nobody says that because it's not a joke division. The Bengals have made the playoffs 7 times in 12 years, the Ravens were perennial contenders up until the last few years. Yeah they all get 2 wins against the Browns every year, but the other 4 games are not easy and every division has their own version of the Browns. The Patriots are gift wrapped at least 5 wins a year if not handed all 6. The Pats and the AFC East is the difference between a first round bye and playing in the wildcard round, it's the difference between home-field in the AFCCG and going on the road. Not saying the Patriots aren't a model organization, but their division has been very kind over this last decade and a half. 

 

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And yeah, that's not either team's fault. I just enjoy the irony of it. 

 

Any irony to enjoy is fabricated. 

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