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Warriors to Keep Golden State Name Despite 2019 Move to San Francisco

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On 4/5/2018 at 9:17 PM, the admiral said:

Maybe the Warriors and Sharks should have gone halfsies on a new arena in the parking lot of the Cow Palace (if it's possible -- I haven't analyzed the terrain) circa 1993 instead of building the arena in San Jose and renovating the Coliseum Arena. Then we could have had the San Francisco Sharks and the San Francisco Warriors for a long while and kept "Golden State" to a relatively brief aberration. Of course, they still wouldn't be in San Francisco city limits, but hey, who can be these days?

 

Hahaha please do a quick google maps picture of Santos and Geneva in Daly City. Seriously one of the only areas of town that will probably never gentrify. I can only imagine the beautiful broadcast cut aways of the neighborhood during Warriors and Sharks finals appearances. 

 

 

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21 hours ago, DeFrank said:

 

Also the city + MD/VA suburbs can be referred to as the "national capital region." It's a another way of saying the "Washington metropolitan area." 

 

 

Landover is near DC but it is not "basically DC." Prince George's County, from my own point of view as a DC resident, has a lot of Maryland pride. This was also before the Redskins moved out to Landover. 

 

When understanding the "national capital region," especially in the early 1970s, you've also got to understand the area's racial demographics. PG County, and DC as a whole back then, were predominantly black. I don't know exactly how to use that information here, but I think there's something to look at. The parts of DC that are still predominantly black, and have historically been black, are those that are closest to PG County, which is also still, somewhat famously, predominantly black.

 

Could "Capital" have been seen as a way of pulling in white DC suburbanites in Maryland and Virginia who would look at a team called "Washington" playing in PG County as not for them? I don't know, but just trying to introduce something that's worth looking at.

 

"Capital" wouldn't have been seen as a pull-in for Baltimore though. Just the DC area.

 

From someone who's from PG County, it's all the DC area to us. There isn't as much "Maryland pride" as there is throughout the rest of the state. Maybe pride in PG County, which just happens to be in MD, but it's still the DC metro area. We have more connection to DC than anything else.

 

As far as "Capital", I feel it was just a more interesting choice for a name. I don't know why it would draw more white people than "Washington" would.

 

 

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5 hours ago, BrandoCalri55ian said:

Hahaha please do a quick google maps picture of Santos and Geneva in Daly City. Seriously one of the only areas of town that will probably never gentrify. I can only imagine the beautiful broadcast cut aways of the neighborhood during Warriors and Sharks finals appearances.

 

https://www.google.com/maps/@37.7082891,-122.420134,3a,75y,220.5h,86.12t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sYYZBWIEeK3VC8sGzUzy4eA!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo1.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3DYYZBWIEeK3VC8sGzUzy4eA%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D269.30182%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i13312!8i6656

 

Certainly not San Francisco at its best, I agree. But the Bulls and Blackhawks have spent almost their entire existence in a section of the west side that was fairly rough until like last Thursday. The Flyers and 76ers play in a Sports Containment Zone. The Blues play in St. Louis. Nevertheless, the broadcast crews still manage to get all the neat establishing shots of skylines at night and people cooking food. I just wish San Francisco had a full complement of teams in or adjacent to the city with no far-flung suburban hockey arena or Lego Stadium.

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On 4/7/2018 at 9:22 AM, smzimbabwe said:

So if Duluth somehow got a team, the Twins should change their name?

Yes.

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It should be the San Francisco Warriors. The whole bay are has no problem supporting either the SAN FRANCISCO Giants or OAKLAND A's and either the SAN FRANCISCO 49ers or OAKLAND Raiders, not living in those cities doesn't alienate the rest of the bay area from choosing one. The niners play in Santa Clara and no ones complaining they aren't the Santa Clara 49ers. Also the whole bay area supports the SAN JOSE Sharks as their hockey team even though their name doesn't represent the bay area. Golden State doesn't even represent the bay area And lets be real if the warriors changed to San Francisco they wouldn't lose fans, they are in one of the most successful runs in NBA history and are the most popular team in the NBA with tons of bandwagon fans they'd be fine.

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Honestly, I don't quite get the hate for "Golden State." The name has been around for decades and they've won 3 titles under it. It's also synonymous with the Run-TMC Warriors teams of the early 1990s and 2007's We Believe squad. But to me, the main draw is that it's also unique.

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1 hour ago, Satomiblood said:

Honestly, I don't quite get the hate for "Golden State." The name has been around for decades and they've won 3 titles under it. It's also synonymous with the Run-TMC Warriors teams of the early 1990s and 2007's We Believe squad. But to me, the main draw is that it's also unique.

While the bold may make retaining the name more likely, it does not keep the name from being bad.

 

It is unique, but unique is not, in itself, necessarily good.  "NoCal Warriors" would be unique, as would "Bay Area Warriors."  Admittedly, I have a fairly rigid preference that the "place" be a City and, failing that, an actual "place" in a "census" way (ruling out Carolina, Tampa Bay, and the like).  Now, "Golden State" is a nickname for a place (the State of California) but "Big Apple" is a nickname for one, as well and I am glad we don't have the "Big Apple Knicks."

 

That said, I appreciate the odd position this franchise is in.  They have been "San Francisco" but the move to Oakland made keeping that name a bit odd since Oakland is not a suburb like Auburn Hills or something.  "Oakland," not being the region's dominant or signature city does not make sense when the whole Bay Area has only one team.  Other things like "Bay Area" are just as goofy.  "California" would make sense if there were not other teams there.  But then again "Golden State" represents California anyway, so its no less egregious.  So, while in Oakland, it was tough.  I'd have either stuck with SF or gone to California (like the Angels did despite the existence of four other teams).

 

And there's one other thing that bugs me about Golden State: the cadence.

  • California is the GOLDen state
  • But we call them golden STATE

The name has accidentally devolved into mimicking a college team.  I don't know whether that was fan behavior or simply the fact that saying GOLDen state Warriors is difficult and does not roll off the tongue. Probably the latter but I'd still argue that the college-like sound of the name makes it worse.  I actually have memories of thinking it was a college team when I was a little kid just getting into sports (also with no NBA in Minnesota, I saw more college basketball).

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I get it and normally I would despise this sort of thing, but they`ve had it so long. It`s part of their brand. 

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1 hour ago, OnWis97 said:

While the bold may make retaining the name more likely, it does not keep the name from being bad.

 

It is unique, but unique is not, in itself, necessarily good.  "NoCal Warriors" would be unique, as would "Bay Area Warriors."  Admittedly, I have a fairly rigid preference that the "place" be a City and, failing that, an actual "place" in a "census" way (ruling out Carolina, Tampa Bay, and the like).  Now, "Golden State" is a nickname for a place (the State of California) but "Big Apple" is a nickname for one, as well and I am glad we don't have the "Big Apple Knicks."

 

That said, I appreciate the odd position this franchise is in.  They have been "San Francisco" but the move to Oakland made keeping that name a bit odd since Oakland is not a suburb like Auburn Hills or something.  "Oakland," not being the region's dominant or signature city does not make sense when the whole Bay Area has only one team.  Other things like "Bay Area" are just as goofy.  "California" would make sense if there were not other teams there.  But then again "Golden State" represents California anyway, so its no less egregious.  So, while in Oakland, it was tough.  I'd have either stuck with SF or gone to California (like the Angels did despite the existence of four other teams).

 

And there's one other thing that bugs me about Golden State: the cadence.

  • California is the GOLDen state
  • But we call them golden STATE

The name has accidentally devolved into mimicking a college team.  I don't know whether that was fan behavior or simply the fact that saying GOLDen state Warriors is difficult and does not roll off the tongue. Probably the latter but I'd still argue that the college-like sound of the name makes it worse.  I actually have memories of thinking it was a college team when I was a little kid just getting into sports (also with no NBA in Minnesota, I saw more college basketball).

 

A well-put argument, but I'm still not convinced with the idea that it's bad. I think time and circumstances have given the label more than enough traction, which is a bit of a selling point with me. It's why I feel Utah should remain the Jazz. It just sounds good (at least to me).

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On 4/7/2018 at 12:22 PM, smzimbabwe said:

So if Duluth somehow got a team, the Twins should change their name?

 

If there was any danger of Duluth getting a major league team, the Twins should never have adopted the "Minnesota" name in the first place.

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40 minutes ago, Gothamite said:

 

If there was any danger of Duluth getting a major league team, the Twins should never have adopted the "Minnesota" name in the first place.

Maybe; but I can also give a pass to a team that uses the state name when it's first.  Florida Marlins, for example (of course they've changed).  You certainly could have argued at that point that Tampa (or Orlando?) could one day get MLB but Florida was getting MLB for the first time and I can deal with naming the team after a state without worrying about a hypothetical.  (you know, setting aside my general preference for city names).  Texas Rangers and Florida Panthers, on the other hand, came in after another team in the state existed.  (Obviously because both names make more sense with the state names, but I still think they should have picked different names and gone for cities).

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On 4/8/2018 at 7:09 PM, the admiral said:

 

https://www.google.com/maps/@37.7082891,-122.420134,3a,75y,220.5h,86.12t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sYYZBWIEeK3VC8sGzUzy4eA!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo1.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3DYYZBWIEeK3VC8sGzUzy4eA%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D269.30182%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i13312!8i6656

 

Certainly not San Francisco at its best, I agree. But the Bulls and Blackhawks have spent almost their entire existence in a section of the west side that was fairly rough until like last Thursday. The Flyers and 76ers play in a Sports Containment Zone. The Blues play in St. Louis. Nevertheless, the broadcast crews still manage to get all the neat establishing shots of skylines at night and people cooking food. I just wish San Francisco had a full complement of teams in or adjacent to the city with no far-flung suburban hockey arena or Lego Stadium.

Don't hate on San Jose haha.

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20 hours ago, tigerslionspistonshabs said:

I get it and normally I would despise this sort of thing, but they`ve had it so long. It`s part of their brand. 

 

Exactly, and that's what I find frustrating about even entertaining the idea: a brand is not. just. aesthetics.

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Why change the name? They’re still in the same state.

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On 4/8/2018 at 8:35 AM, Shadojoker said:

Huge fail by not changing the name. My understanding is $$$; they don't want to change the name of a good brand even if it doesn't make sense.

 

Exactly. It's a dumb name but it's their dumb name. Their fans embrace it and they have a successful brand built around the name. Also throwing some randomness into franchise names makes a league unique as opposed to complete standardization which tends to give off a sterile failed upstart league vibe.

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23 minutes ago, guest23 said:

It's a dumb name but it's their dumb name. 

 

That's hardly a robust defense.

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31 minutes ago, guest23 said:

 

Exactly. It's a dumb name but it's their dumb name.

 

Something I'm sure many members of this community have thought when they realized they were stuck forever with the name they thought up in 10 seconds while signing up here.

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1 hour ago, oldschoolvikings said:

Something I'm sure many members of this community have thought when they realized they were stuck forever with the name they thought up in 10 seconds while signing up here.

hm yes perhaps :/

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After 7 pages of banter I won't lie ... I wish we still had the Bay State Patriots. 

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