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1 hour ago, Dolphins Dynasty said:

They sure are dragging this out... I've been slowly losing interest on where both Machado and Harper land.

 

This is a real problem for sure. Machado and Harper are going to set the price for the rest of the market so that's why all the other big free agents pretty much haven't signed anywhere either. And TICK TOCK, BASEBALL. Spring training starts in less than a month!  It's created this bottleneck, which is bad for entertainment (especially when the sport did the same thing a year ago) and people aren't excited to talk baseball because nobody's doing anything and at least half the league isn't going to be competitive. People aren't jazzed about going to games this summer, except for a few markets, because nobody's doing anything. It's bad for the product and the fans when this many teams aren't trying. Who could've predicted that? All of us. 

 

I read someone somewhere and I can't remember who it was, but I thought it was a good point - the owners are approaching this with a very shortsighted approach here and missing out on massive opportunity by being cheap. The NBA has turned itself into a 12 month sport. Their offseason stuff is arguably a bigger deal than the actual games and they're in the news all year round because they've learned how to stay in the headlines even when the season isn't happening. They followed the NFL model and might even do it better. Baseball has become a 3 month sport that a lot of the country doesn't think about because they don't live in an MLB city or the MLB city they live in has a team who hasn't tried to compete in years. They could take advantage of a slow time for sports and fill headlines with player movement and instead everyone's sitting around proving the boring sport to be the boring sport. 

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Well so much for the Harper rumors. Sadly, while he likely had nothing to do with it, the trolling by the video game has made him look bad. 

 

 

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9 hours ago, BringBackTheVet said:

Harper prop bets have been taken off table in Vegas, and  at least one Vegas sports book raised their odds on the Phillies to win WS to #4 (which is high regardless of who they sign) 

 

Beat writers saying nothing’s done yet... no idea who to believe. 

 

That's true only in so far as there were never any Harper prop bets on the table in Vegas to begin with. Nevada sports books restrict prop bets to events that take place on the playing field and can be verified in the box score. You may see other bets like that around the internet, but they're not in Vegas.

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16 minutes ago, Still MIGHTY said:

 

That's true only in so far as there were never any Harper prop bets on the table in Vegas to begin with. Nevada sports books restrict prop bets to events that take place on the playing field and can be verified in the box score. You may see other bets like that around the internet, but they're not in Vegas.

 

There were odds on the team he would sign with. Pretty sure you could actually bet it, which sounds ridiculous to me since his friends could just become billionaires. 

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1 minute ago, BringBackTheVet said:

 

There were odds on the team he would sign with. Pretty sure you could actually bet it, which sounds ridiculous to me since his friends could just become billionaires. 

 

There were odds somewhere, sure. But not in any official Vegas sports book. It's against Nevada state law. Probably for the exact reason you just said.

 

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8 hours ago, McCarthy said:

It's probably Philly be default at this point. How many other teams have even tried? 3? 

 

 

*blinks*

*eyes widen*

 

Christ, there's going to be one doozy of a lockout/strike coming, isn't there

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On 1/29/2019 at 2:27 PM, BringBackTheVet said:

 

There were odds on the team he would sign with. Pretty sure you could actually bet it, which sounds ridiculous to me since his friends could just become billionaires. 

 

This is exactly why those types of prop bets are illegal in Nevada gaming institutions. You’ll see some strange, vaguely shady betting lines on some online sites, but you’ll never see anything that can be manipulated that easily on the betting line at the clubs. 

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On 1/29/2019 at 1:55 PM, McCarthy said:

 

This is a real problem for sure. Machado and Harper are going to set the price for the rest of the market so that's why all the other big free agents pretty much haven't signed anywhere either. And TICK TOCK, BASEBALL. Spring training starts in less than a month!  It's created this bottleneck, which is bad for entertainment (especially when the sport did the same thing a year ago) and people aren't excited to talk baseball because nobody's doing anything and at least half the league isn't going to be competitive. People aren't jazzed about going to games this summer, except for a few markets, because nobody's doing anything. It's bad for the product and the fans when this many teams aren't trying. Who could've predicted that? All of us. 

 

I read someone somewhere and I can't remember who it was, but I thought it was a good point - the owners are approaching this with a very shortsighted approach here and missing out on massive opportunity by being cheap. The NBA has turned itself into a 12 month sport. Their offseason stuff is arguably a bigger deal than the actual games and they're in the news all year round because they've learned how to stay in the headlines even when the season isn't happening. They followed the NFL model and might even do it better. Baseball has become a 3 month sport that a lot of the country doesn't think about because they don't live in an MLB city or the MLB city they live in has a team who hasn't tried to compete in years. They could take advantage of a slow time for sports and fill headlines with player movement and instead everyone's sitting around proving the boring sport to be the boring sport. 

Someone in a comment on Fangraphs said thanks to the Astros and Cubs tanking and eventually winning it all, several teams are now copying that.

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9 hours ago, ninersdd said:

Someone in a comment on Fangraphs said thanks to the Astros and Cubs tanking and eventually winning it all, several teams are now copying that.

 

There might be an entire article related to this subject up on the site today.

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9 hours ago, ninersdd said:

Someone in a comment on Fangraphs said thanks to the Astros and Cubs tanking and eventually winning it all, several teams are now copying that.

 

This is what I've been saying for the last two offseasons. The Royals did it and it worked because at the time there weren't as many tanking teams. But then the Cubs and Astros used those same principles with the safety net of large market free agency and built World Series winners it had some damaging side effects for the sport. What's a sport look like when half the league isn't trying to win the championship? Baseball, right now. What's it look like when even the big boys have decided in unison not to offer big contracts to get the best players? Baseball, right now. 

 

The Astros are kind of patient zero in this quagmire. They're in a huge market, could spend like the Red Sox and Yankees if they wanted to, and still decided the best course of action to winning a title was to suck profoundly for four years. And it worked. Now they have their championship, the team is at its peak, the baseball enthusiasm in the city, and the market size are bigger than ever, and they still won't pay Dallas Kuechel what he's worth to retain a key part of their pitching staff. They should be trying to create a dynasty, but they're not. The Astros just lost in the playoffs to the team who outspent them and they're still not doing anything to get better. 

 

I thought the Red Sox destroying the league last year with free agent additions and a high payroll would incentivize more of the Astro type clubs, but it hasn't. 

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I only really observe baseball from a distance, and it's become far too cynical for me to enjoy. It's a fantasy league come to life, with baseball fans actively rooting for billionaire owners subsidized by public investment to save money on player personnel. It's kind of obscene and the commentary on baseball contracts is gross. I can't think of any other pro sport where fans root so hard for underpaying players.

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12 hours ago, ninersdd said:

Someone in a comment on Fangraphs said thanks to the Astros and Cubs tanking and eventually winning it all, several teams are now copying that.

 

Half of baseball is copying that right now.  Enjoy the massive strike and the disappointment that follows the realization that there are only a limited number of good prospects who are worth a damn.

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25 minutes ago, DG_Now said:

I only really observe baseball from a distance, and it's become far too cynical for me to enjoy. It's a fantasy league come to life, with baseball fans actively rooting for billionaire owners subsidized by public investment to save money on player personnel. It's kind of obscene and the commentary on baseball contracts is gross. I can't think of any other pro sport where fans root so hard for underpaying players.

 

It's as if the Hfboards crew were given the keys to an entire sport.

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1 hour ago, DG_Now said:

I only really observe baseball from a distance, and it's become far too cynical for me to enjoy. It's a fantasy league come to life, with baseball fans actively rooting for billionaire owners subsidized by public investment to save money on player personnel. It's kind of obscene and the commentary on baseball contracts is gross. I can't think of any other pro sport where fans root so hard for underpaying players.

 

One of the happiest coincidences in general that I realized a few years ago with the people I tend to follow closest online, be it on Twitter or blogs or whatever, is that, for a great many of them, their views tend to align very well with mine. Coincidence, because those things didn't mean nearly as much to me years back when I first started following and interacting with the people I tend to follow and interact with. It just kinda happened, and I'm thankful for that.

 

I'm saying that to say this - Mike Axisa is a writer for CBS and has run, what I'm guessing, is the most viewed Yankee weblog on the internet for over a decade now, and he has made no secret about his pro-labor views and his own contempt for what has become of MLB as well. And it's refreshing. Fact is, I've gotten to the point now where, if you gave me two groups of people I would be forced to associate with - one group being fans of teams that I support but who hold societal viewpoints I find grotesque, and the other group being the exact opposite of course - I wouldn't hesitate to choose the latter. Having terrible taste in sports teams is, ultimately, more forgivable than having terrible taste in things that actually affect people's lives in ways that actually matter.

 

With regard to baseball specifically, I've always heard about how MLB is, traditionally, a conservative sport where most of its players tend to be conservative as well. To that end, it's so funny to me that, traditionally, they've also had the strongest labor union of the four major North American sports leagues, and why it's been such a problem in recent years, having an incompetent negotiator like Tony Clark being the head of the union, that they've been losing power battles vs. owners. Funny to me, because it's almost like labor unions, in their inherent nature (if not necessarily in their application, in certain cases) are inherently a good thing designed to promote worker's rights. Yet, that's traditionally something that conservative politics frowns at. 🤔

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Oh, Gabe Kapler....

 

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GLENDALE, Ariz. — In February 2015, according to a police report and emails obtained through open records requests, a 17-year-old girl sent an alarming email to Gabe Kapler, then director of player development for the Los Angeles Dodgers.

The girl had been partying a few nights before with two Dodgers minor leaguers and two women, she wrote, drinking Ciroc vodka and dancing in one of the players’ hotel rooms here, near the Dodgers’ spring training complex.

 

“The boys got me drunk and the girls beat me up,” she wrote. “Your player . . . videotaped it all.”

Kapler didn’t contact police, records show, nor did others with the Dodgers he consulted. Instead, Kapler tried to arrange a dinner with the girl and the players, and engaged in discussions with the girl’s grandmoth

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I don't like Gabe Kapler, and wouldn't mind if he was fired, but read that story a few times.  The entire thing - from start to finish just seems like a sh t show, with blame all around.  How did a grandma even know Kaplar to email him? THere's also the implication of dodgers players being involved in sex trafficking, but when you read it a few times, that's not the case. 

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53 minutes ago, BringBackTheVet said:

I don't like Gabe Kapler, and wouldn't mind if he was fired, but read that story a few times.  The entire thing - from start to finish just seems like a sh t show, with blame all around.  How did a grandma even know Kaplar to email him? THere's also the implication of dodgers players being involved in sex trafficking, but when you read it a few times, that's not the case. 

 

How did the grandmother get Kapler's email? She probably got an office secretary on the phone and asked for Gabe Kapler's email. It's not hard to get this type of info if you know who to ask.

 

It doesn't matter if other people are culpable. You're in charge; it's your job to right the ship. Any action that's anything other than going straight to the authorities is the wrong move. Full stop.

 

Your responsibilities as a citizen to be diligent in reporting crimes you're aware of trumps any obligation you have to the ballclub. I take issue with anyone who disagrees with that assertion, and I put Kapler squarely in that camp.

 

Whether or not the Phillies want to continue to employ Kapler or not is up to them, but if I were the Phillies GM, they would be looking for a new manager right now.

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41 minutes ago, pmoehrin said:

 

How did the grandmother get Kapler's email? She probably got an office secretary on the phone and asked for Gabe Kapler's email. It's not hard to get this type of info if you know who to ask.

 

It doesn't matter if other people are culpable. You're in charge; it's your job to right the ship. Any action that's anything other than going straight to the authorities is the wrong move. Full stop.

 

Your responsibilities as a citizen to be diligent in reporting crimes you're aware of trumps any obligation you have to the ballclub. I take issue with anyone who disagrees with that assertion, and I put Kapler squarely in that camp.

 

Whether or not the Phillies want to continue to employ Kapler or not is up to them, but if I were the Phillies GM, they would be looking for a new manager right now.

 

I don't disagree with any of that - just let's be clear before this becomes a Paterno situation of looking the other way - Kapler was a nobody.  He wasn't "in charge" of anything.  I don't even understand how the grandmother would even have known who he was to get his email address (and why would she email the "director of player development" rather than anyone in charge of anything, or... you know... the police?  

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Just read another article about it, and I'm confused.  The grandmother called the hotel who put her in contact with the Dodgers who referred her to Kapler - why?  Maybe I don't understand the hierarchy, but... why?  Were they just minor-league guys?  He wasn't told about sexual assault, just that a girl got drunk, threw up, and got beat up by other girls.  Obviously the players shouldn't have let her be there (assuming they knew she wasn't 21) and that's an issue, but forgive me but what's their crime here (based on what Kapler knew) - providing alcohol to a minor? Their judgement was extremely poor, and they didn't do the right thing when the girl (who presumably damaged people's property when she threw up) was attacked by the other girls, and they should not have filmed it, but let's be real here - if you're Kapler and told what he was told, what would you tell police?  That you have reason to believe (after the fact) that two guys gave an underage girl alcohol?  (Again, keep in mind, at this time he doesn't know of any alleged sexual assault.)  That's probably why the Dodgers lawyers advised him not to (again, he's nobody -it's not like he's Paterno, who ran the whole town.)

 

Then the grandma contacts Kapler because her daughter was kicked out by her boyfriend and homeless?  What on earth does Kapler have to do with that?  

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